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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    I wish he had mentioned that in the email I sent to him yesterday.
    It's in the article posted yesterday - https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/03/...tarians-trump/

    "What about the Presidential race in the fall, when there will be a Libertarian Party candidate in contention? My colleagues and I at LFT have decided that the sole purpose of this organization is to help Mr. Donald Trump attain the Republican Party’s nomination for president. When and if that occurs, we plan to disband LFT. We confine ourselves toward working toward the day when Mr. Trump receives the nomination of the Republican Party for president — and nothing else."

    The article is kind of contradictory, with Ralph Raico earlier quoted as saying "The Queen of Chaos would be the most dangerous person ever to fill the office of president." So I'm not sure why Block would disband it after the primaries if they're in agreement about that. Then again, I can't see any way trump's nomination will affect the RNC and the party apparatus one way or another, certainly not as much as RP activists and the later Tea Party did at least temporarily.

    To me there's not a dime's worth of difference between Hillary, trump, Cruz, Kasich et al. I set Sanders apart because of my extreme distaste for the brazen promotion of socialism. I don't want socialism to be fashionable. I'd even rather see someone at least try to disguise it like trump and the rest do. But if LfT find Hillary so (relatively) horrifying, why don't they push through to the end for trump? It's sad to see some of the most visible spokesmen of Austrian economics displaying such a lack of common sense.



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  3. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    It's in the article posted yesterday - https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/03/...tarians-trump/
    I'll admit, I didn't bother to read that article, or anything else he's written -- or anything at Lew Rockwell.com since Lew started to support Trump. I only went over there yesterday to find Block's email address.

    I agree with you about Hillary, Cruz, Trump, et al...no difference. But there is an alternative (maybe). I'm starting to warm up to the idea of voting LP in this election, if for no other reason than to try to add to their credibility factor...I'm thinking this is their last best opportunity for that. If they can't push the threshold over 5% in this election, they never will. I wonder why Walter hasn't considered that option. All those other so-called libertarians over there, too.

  4. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    But if LfT find Hillary so (relatively) horrifying, why don't they push through to the end for trump? It's sad to see some of the most visible spokesmen of Austrian economics displaying such a lack of common sense.
    It's a head-scratcher. The only use I can see for it is the very purpose I put forward in this thread--make sure both major party candidates are so unappealing that a Libertarian vote seems like the most logical thing in the world.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...

  5. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...

  6. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    It's a head-scratcher. The only use I can see for it is the very purpose I put forward in this thread--make sure both major party candidates are so unappealing that a Libertarian vote seems like the most logical thing in the world.
    If so, then that's absolutely the best reason I've heard of to vote for trump and encourage others to. Sadly, the LP choices don't seem like they'll be very compelling. And with a Bloomberg type or somebody else high-profile running third party the LP may not be such a shoo-in to gather all the protest votes. If several third-party candidates share the spotlight, the protest vote will be divided and it will look like every other election ever. CNN will leave them off the on-screen tallies and nobody will ever notice.

    If the GOP runs a third-party candidate as some have been speculating, then yes, that could spell the end of the party apparatus. But they won't do that. It's suicide. The establishment survives and thrives with trump or Hillary in the White House.

  7. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    The establishment survives and thrives with trump or Hillary in the White House.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...

  8. #127
    Found it.

    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Against clowns, I think he'll do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...

  9. #128
    Does anyone know of an interwebz forum for Gary Johnson? He's no Ron Paul, but just educating people there is a third party and political systems exist with multiple parties is a worthy goal.



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  11. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by Root View Post
    Does anyone know of an interwebz forum for Gary Johnson? He's no Ron Paul, but just educating people there is a third party and political systems exist with multiple parties is a worthy goal.
    The LP has a website where things could be coordinated with the party. As far as a national libertarian forum goes, though, this may be it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...

  12. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by Root View Post
    Does anyone know of an interwebz forum for Gary Johnson? He's no Ron Paul, but just educating people there is a third party and political systems exist with multiple parties is a worthy goal.
    Libertarian's Forum
    Freesteader Forum (less active)
    Reddit's Libertarian sub-reddit

    ...there are others, as well.

  13. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    The LP has a website where things could be coordinated with the party. As far as a national libertarian forum goes, though, this may be it.
    Damn... That's kinda disappointing

    Personally, I've been spending a lot of time on the road, so I've been using the time to listen to Ron Paul on audiobook. I've gone through End the Fed and I'm now skipping around through Liberty Defined. It feels good. Not exciting like 2012 (I only wish I know what 2008 was like), but more re-assuring myself I'm not the one with the crazy.

    It's been very helpful when people try to start a political discussion, and I'm trying to steer the discussion towards third party, jury nullification, war on drugs. Only I know they're gonna succumb to the rhetoric anyway. It seem like some people feed off rhetoric. Like vampires.

    I really like the idea of this thread acptulsa. A lot

  14. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by Root View Post
    Damn... That's kinda disappointing

    Personally, I've been spending a lot of time on the road, so I've been using the time to listen to Ron Paul on audiobook. I've gone through End the Fed and I'm now skipping around through Liberty Defined. It feels good. Not exciting like 2012 (I only wish I know what 2008 was like), but more re-assuring myself I'm not the one with the crazy.

    It's been very helpful when people try to start a political discussion, and I'm trying to steer the discussion towards third party, jury nullification, war on drugs. Only I know they're gonna succumb to the rhetoric anyway. It seem like some people feed off rhetoric. Like vampires.

    I really like the idea of this thread acptulsa. A lot
    I just did a simple Google search and found another one called Libertarian's Forum.org -- nothing compared to this one though...it says they have a total of 725 registered members. Color me unimpressed. There are a few others...apparently the LP did have a message board awhile back, but the last post was made in 2014. I think this is it, ladies and gents. It's going to be up to us because there's no traffic going on in any of the other places...they're like the Internet equivalent of ghost towns. (I wonder if we should invite some of the people from that first board I mentioned to come over here? What do y'all think?)

  15. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    The media can't ignore massive celebrities--except Michael Richards, Charlie Sheen, Mel Gibson, and a host of others who ran afoul of them. You can recognize that there is a public backlash against 'PCism' but the media can't recognize that backlash and use reverse psychology to do their job anyway, so we have to take at face value their apparent effort to discredit him even though we've managed to dig up dirt on him ten times worse than anything they ever brought out into the light of day themselves. Watching an orange guy in a ball cap tap the discontent we stirred up and make it toothless using a third grade vocabulary is a beautiful thing. If I ain't with you I'm with the terrists.

    I'm not the one following the same already tired old script. You are.

    I'm also not the one violating this site's guidelines.

    I called for original material. And this is my thread. Provide original material or get out of my thread.


    There, see? You're willing to go off script and ad lib in his thread. Why won't you do it in mine? Is it because your boss isn't watching his thread?

    Who is your boss, anyway, British person? MI6? That you, James Bond?

    O pity Her Majesty's Secret Service

    So pitiful you can't give a damn

    Once they could get issued a license to kill

    Now all they get's a license to spam.

    The media did not ignore any of the celebrities that you mentioned.

    What they did do was focus a ton of attention on them for the purpose of destroying them.

    The more you make obviously untrue claims, the more you look like an insincere liar with ulterior motives.


    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    That is unlikely to happen in complete chaos. The crap always rises to the top. See French Revolution.

    The French Revolution was organized by proto-Marxist Jacobins, Freemasonic and probably working for Jesuits (amongst others).


    Quote Originally Posted by twomp View Post
    Yes typical Trump supporter idiotic logic. Destroy the GOP by voting for them! Talking like Trump will disband the GOP. Don't let the moron Trump supporters convince anyone. Mitch McConnell, Peter King, Lindsey Graham, Paul Ryan. The GOP isn't going anywhere no matter who is nominated. Only the idiot Trump supporters actually believe he will destroy the GOP because they are THAT dumb. On par with having Snowden as your avatar and voting for someone who wants to have him executed.

    Trump is already “destroying” the GOP in the sense that the globalists who run it are all freaking out and doing everything that they can to make him disappear.

    The basic reason that they hate him is because he is an America-firster who does not care to play ball with the cabal.


    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    Oops. Too much logic there.

    So now you are saying that Trump needs to be nominated if he will “destroy” the GOP.

    Your imbecilic lack of consistency is ironically consistent.
    Last edited by Petar; 03-31-2016 at 08:35 PM.
    Donald Trump > SJW ass-tears

  16. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by Petar View Post
    The media did not ignore any of the celebrities that you mentioned.

    What they did do was focus a ton of attention on them for the purpose of destroying them.

    The more you make obviously untrue claims, the more you look like an insincere liar with ulterior motives.





    The French Revolution was organized by proto-Marxist Jacobins, Freemasonic and probably working for Jesuits (amongst others).





    Trump is already “destroying” the GOP in the sense that the globalists who run it are all freaking out and doing everything that they can to make him disappear.

    The basic reason that they hate him is because he is an America-firster who does not care to play ball with the cabal.





    So now you are saying that Trump needs to be nominated if he will “destroy” the GOP.

    Your imbecilic lack of consistency is ironically consistent.
    More comments from the peanut gallery across the pond... Don't you have a country of your own to tend to?
    "The Patriarch"

  17. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    More comments from the peanut gallery across the pond... Don't you have a country of your own to tend to?
    'Murica is a frame of mind.

    Love it or leave it.
    Last edited by Petar; 03-31-2016 at 08:52 PM.
    Donald Trump > SJW ass-tears

  18. #136
    Hillary Clinton really, really wants to go down in history as the first female president of the United States. And she obviously has what it takes to pull that off. She has no charisma, to speak of. She doesn't have the trust of the citizens of the nation. But she does have name recognition. She has superdelegates in her pocket. And she has friends. Friends like Bernie Sanders, who was kind enough to act as a lightning rod for the Left, thereby allowing Clinton to avoid the more frightening Democrats and appear to be reassuringly middle of the road. And friends like Donald Trump, who has been absolutely masterful in playing to just enough Republicans to be a real threat for the nomination, while turning off three quarters of the population by revealing himself to them as a buffoon.

    And thanks to the fact that they read the polls and realized that no one trusted them any more, Fox was able to put it over by saying mean things about him, and will be able to rebuild its own reputation when it's over by saying, 'We told you so.' Everyone's doing their job. The anti-Establishment fervor that we did so much to stir up caught them somewhat by surprise in its vehemence, but they're making adjustments, and they will pull it off. It's going to take miracle to avoid a Clinton administration. Even if they have to completely destroy the Republican Party to do it.

    The GOP is not written into the Constitution. It did not even exist when that document was crafted. It rose in the ashes of the Whig Party. That party abandoned its principles in an attempt to straddle the fence over the slavery issue. It took to putting up famous generals as candidates, and doing whatever it could think of to preserve the bit of power its party cronies had accumulated, and lost its way. It became fractured, and it became irrelevant. The Republican Party is merely the group that saw opportunity in the Whig Party's demise, and rose to the occasion.

    Now the GOP is the Whig Party. It is fractured. It is run by people who have no idea at all how to appease those to whom they are beholden, and also please the voters who call it home--or who believe a conservative has no home in the U.S. It is being battered about by a media which is completely dedicated to bulldozing a path for Clinton, seemingly without a care whether the GOP survives the process or not.

    It's hard to get interest in a third party in this nation. The thing about the two party system is votes don't get split. If there is one conservative party and two liberal parties, the conservatives win all the elections--and vice versa. So, the wags call the Libertarian Party the 'Losertarians'. But if the Clinton bulldozers destroy the party, I don't see Americans putting up with a one-party politboro. So, something must rise in its place. Will the GOP be rebuilt? If so, will it be rebuilt by the same establishment tools, or by us? Or will it be left in the dustbin of history, and will something less ingrained in the Establishment rise in its place?

    When the Republican Party rose from the ashes of the Whig Party, full of vigor and determined to undo slavery no matter how much the Establishment of the time wanted them to get back in the boat and stop rocking it, it was under this kind of leadership, and with this kind of an attitude:

    Quote Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln
    The dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion.We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country.
    That history really can be repeated. But history does not, in fact, repeat itself. History takes the directions it takes by the dedication and sweat of human beings--people with direction and purpose, who know where they want to go and have the courage to strike out in that direction.



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  20. #137
    "Political parties are gonna $#@! this nation up, just don't." - George Washington
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

  21. #138
    I am not here to argue with a single person but I wanted to say as a left leaning independent count me in . I have voted for Obama ( don't hate me) but I hardly consider that my fault ..... I still shudder at the idea of palin in the White House ..... I would have voted R Paul .... Thank you republicans for giving me no real choice there .

    Truth be told I always said ide vote a republican that ended social programs only if they ended tax breaks and incentives for corporations too .... And only one that agreed to stay out of my life but I've yet to see a republican nominee that matched that ( Paul came the closest and he got nowhere)


    Fast forward to the start off this election season and I couldn't believe the democrats was only giving me Hillary, I looked at the republicans and said a giant what the **** . Than came Bernie and trump ... Ok I'll take either over Hillary because that female is as evil as evil comes .... Trump Is a idiot but at least he will fracture the hold on the super religious gop , Bernie will fracture our economy .... But both are very honest in it ( well trump a little less so but he forgets his talking points so yeah.....) so as this has played out I said I would for Bernie ( at least he will stay out of my personal life) if Hillary takes it I'll let trump have it cause I can deal with stupid over evil all day every day .

    Than because November is a long way off I started looking around and you know that bit I said back at the beginning ( you know about a gop candidate that will cut everyone not only the poor while leaving me to live my life)

    Yes I think I might be truly libertarian .... If only they wasnt so freaking disorganized they may be a lot more viable than they are but thats the reality I find myself in this election season so I'll say it again .... I am in. If enough disgusted republicans , democrats and independents agree to compromise we just might have a chance a sane president yet .... Not perfect but imperfect beats the heck out of evil and insane any day .... If we fail perhaps we will get the consolation prize of a real third party on the books next election season ..... I'm willing to try because trying beats giving up .


    If you are bent on voting trump to stop Hillary than do be it , bent on stopping trump by voting Hillary so be it ( although I beg you to reconsider ) if you are voting Cruz we are not even on the same planet so let's not go there ( you do you and I'll do me ) but the rest of us ..... Think of the possibilities .... We could seriously hand it to both parties this election season .... I am willing to try but that's maybe because I couldn't have voted for either this season and I have to vote somewhere .... I think this party , this moment in time just might really make a difference if everyone try's so I am researching my facts , writing my talking points and when all 3 are announced I'm gonna go hard ... Twitter , Facebook , blogs , website .... In person and online I am gonna push as hard as I can because as much as I'm willing to let this country crash and be reborn like the Phoenix I care enough to try... Let's compromise ... We get to try a REAL small government in today's modern age and I get to smoke something if I so desire ( among other things ) without going to prison .... It sure as heck beats Hillary voting for wars that kill kids and laughing about it or whatever it is trump really will do if elected

  22. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by Cashley View Post
    If you are bent on voting trump to stop Hillary than do be it , bent on stopping trump by voting Hillary so be it ( although I beg you to reconsider ) if you are voting Cruz we are not even on the same planet so let's not go there ( you do you and I'll do me ) but the rest of us ..... Think of the possibilities .... We could seriously hand it to both parties this election season .... I am willing to try but that's maybe because I couldn't have voted for either this season and I have to vote somewhere ....
    Nicely put.

    Don't take this site too seriously, please. It has given itself over to Trumpmania to a distressing degree of late. And thank you for your erudition. You are not alone. You are just ahead of the curve in looking around and saying, surely there's a way out of this goofy trap.

    They have played this game of bouncing us between the lesser of two evils for a long, long time, but never in my lifetime have the two evils been as evil as this. Yes, for all those who have brains enough to see, and who aren't so buried in denial that they cannot allow themselves to see, this is the cycle that can drive people out of the two party "system".

    Oh, and don't count on the Libertarian Party nominating Johnson. That nomination is very much up in the air. But no one in the race for that slot is in any way anywhere near as evil as either Clinton or her game-throwing ringer Trump.

    And thanks again for chiming in. It's good to hear a voice from outside the echo chamber today.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...

  23. #140
    I'm curious to see what the trumpsters on here are going to do when the "GOPe" they crusade against starts getting more vocal about telling people they need to get behind Trump.
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

  24. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    I'm curious to see what the trumpsters on here are going to do when the "GOPe" they crusade against starts getting more vocal about telling people they need to get behind Trump.
    It's too bad we know that this entire campaign has been scorched earth to stamp out the liberty campaign. They will think it was against them though, they will delude themselves into falling for the trap. I think the interesting election is going to happen on the Democrat side. The Trump campaign has been installed into Reddit and has gone after Bernie Sanders supporters. They have infiltrated their entire operation there. This is where the whole Sanders only movement is getting siphoned by users telling people to vote for the only non establishment candidate.

    It's a good strategy though, but I think it has potential to eat their whole campaign alive. I could be wrong, but it seems like they are just throwing gas on fire. Reddit/r/politics has devolved into an anti hlllary, and anti establishment circle Jerk. Heres where I think it is backfiring. Yes they are turning a lot of Sanders supporters into possible Trump supporters if Sanders is not the nominee, but also the opposite is happening. This has potentially nerve-racking implications because, the spillover support would make Sanders iwn by a land slide if he were the nominee.

  25. #142
    I hope third parties do well this election season. Any Trump pumping should be reported right? Also why bother with this sub-forum when the important stuff is with the liberty candidates? Any attention is good attention for some I guess. Narcissistic supply. It would be better time spent making the liberty 2016 sub forum more interesting in my humble opinion. We have rules about Trump and there is still fighting :/

    I wonder?!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsess...ality_disorder

  26. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Rad View Post
    I hope third parties do well this election season. Any Trump pumping should be reported right? Also why bother with this sub-forum when the important stuff is with the liberty candidates? Any attention is good attention for some I guess. Narcissistic supply. It would be better time spent making the liberty 2016 sub forum more interesting in my humble opinion. We have rules about Trump and there is still fighting :/

    I wonder?!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsess...ality_disorder
    June 7 is the last primaries for GOP/DEM. The other subforum will start picking up after that.
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

  27. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    June 7 is the last primaries for GOP/DEM. The other subforum will start picking up after that.
    I can't wait for the end of the beating of this dead horse. Its boring. I have a bad feeling this will go on for the rest of the year. I hope you are right!



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  29. #145
    If God reached down and touched the minds of every soul at a brokered convention with truth and integrity, then they would attempt to nominate Ron Paul. I suspect Ron Paul would turn the job down, but maybe have a hard time doing it. Except if he were touched also and compelled to accept it. Anyway; too many of (specifically) those souls are openly hostile to truth and integrity, and will not accept it when spoon-fed, for that to be anything but a passing daydream. You can lead a soul to water but you can't make it drink.

  30. #146
    I think that's more intervention than God is willing to provide, Gunny.

    But if that were to happen at the LP convention, suddenly the LP would have a candidate with a reputation for integrity, relevant experience, and name recognition too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...

  31. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritOf1776_J4 View Post
    ...and if the liberty movement dies, I would rather it not be
    with someone who wants to force people to bake politically correct cakes.
    Yup strategic thinking about the future, not just responding with unrealistic emotional fantasy.
    Strategic thinking about the future does not involve refusing to build the LP's momentum and refusing to secure them ballot access and matching funds because the best candidate they can come up with advocates one or two things you hate. Especially if that candidate is unlikely to win anyway.

    The liberty movement is not in any imminent danger of dying. And if it does, no one is going to carve Johnson's picture on its tombstone. That's what would fall under the heading of 'unrealistic emotional fantasy', and it's not going to stop any serious liberty advocate from doing his or her damnedest to help the LP break new ground.

    Strategic thinking about the future is something other than daydreaming about the death of the liberty movement and working toward an honorable end to it. Unless you're a neocon. For those who actually care about liberty, strategic thinking about the future involves finding ways around the silly-assed wedges that the powers that be use to divide us one against another, and concentrating on building coalitions which can concentrate on things that are actually important to more than three dozen evangelist bakers.

    I have no doubt that the Establishment infiltrators will double down on their campaign to encourage us to apply our purity tests to everyone in the country, and chase everyone out of our big tent until there are only three people left in it. But it won't work.

    Less than five percent of the population has, by stealing this nomination, handed us a golden opportunity on a silver platter. By focusing on something that affects less than a hundred small businessmen--by focusing on anything that is a back burner issue at best, and possibly not an issue at all--when we need to be focusing on horrific wars, police state massacres, massive violations of the Constitution, the deliberate trashing of the economy, the loss of opportunity brought on by laws that prevent small businesses from competing with corporations, and a thousand important things, we snatch defeat from the jaws of the greatest opportunity for victory to come our way in at least half a century.

    We need to build coalitions. And we do that by glossing over the small things and riveting the focus on what is important. And we do that by pointing out that the minor stuff is minor stuff, and figuring out what is important, and by hammering on what is important. To do anything else is to play the part of the fool.

    Trump just set himself up to win the GOP nomination by completely ruining any chance he ever had to win the general election. If the GOP has devolved itself into a thing which cannot nominate a candidate unless that candidate first destroys his or her general election chances, then the GOP is completely irrelevant, and needs to be replaced. And all we need to do now is replace it. Our job is clear.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 05-04-2016 at 10:53 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...

  32. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Crashland View Post
    You're giving them too much credit. No one is buying RPF accounts, otherwise a lot of people would be getting offers or it would be possible to actually find a buyer somewhere. The reason people who support snowden like Donald Trump is because Trump is selling a narrative that they're buying. Individual policy positions are largely irrelevant in terms of how most people make decisions. Humans aren't logical or consistent.
    Actually, there is proof that there were accounts here trying to buy other accounts, offering free subscriptions to other websites like Beck's stupid site. User "compromise" was one of the more obvious. That name didn't mean compromising on principles, it meant compromising the integrity of the site.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  33. #149
    So what would it take to get some unity in this camp, so we stand a snowball's chance of selling it to Bernie's Anyone But That Bitch crowd?

    Suppose the LP and the CP put forth a coalition ticket? Is this guy better than Gary Johnson? Which one should get the top of the ticket?

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...

  34. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    So what would it take to get some unity in this camp, so we stand a snowball's chance of selling it to Bernie's Anyone But That Bitch crowd?

    Suppose the LP and the CP put forth a coalition ticket? Is this guy better than Gary Johnson? Which one should get the top of the ticket?

    CP wouldn't ally with GJ if you held a gun to their heads. GJ found a "Constitutional Right" for Gay Marriage in 2012 and was talking federal enforcement. Good luck getting the former "Christian Party" to go along with that one.

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