Trump Thinks Obama Says ‘ISIL’ Instead of ‘ISIS’ Because He Wants to ‘Bother People’

[timosman]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016...bother-people/

Republican front-runner Donald Trump said Wednesday that he believes President Barack Obama uses the term “ISIL” instead of “ISIS” as a way to “bother people.”

The remarks came after Trump was asked about the Islamic State terror group during an appearance on Bloomer Politics.

“You talked earlier about the notion that we’re losing to ISIL. That they are making us look foolish and soft,” host John Heilemann said.

“ISIS,” Trump interjected.



“ISIS, ISIL, it’s all one thing,” Heilemann quipped.

Trump didn’t see it that way.

“You know it’s one thing with the president,” the billionaire said. “He always says ‘ISIL.’ ‘ISIL, ISIL, ISIL.’ Everyone else says ‘ISIS.’ It’s almost like he does it to bother people, OK?”

“I’m not doing it to bother you,” Heilemann assured Trump.

“No, I know that,” Trump said. “But the president of the United States always says ‘ISIL.’ Everyone else says ‘ISIS.’ And I actually think he does it to bother people.”

The debate surrounding what to call the terror group has been fierce. The Associated Press refers to it as the Islamic State while the terror group’s most common name is ISIS. U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron has called the group Dash, something thought to be considered offensive to the organization. The Obama administration has chosen to refer to the group as ISIL.

[Lucille]

Even Trump knows Obama's a troll.

[enhanced_deficit]

Could it be possibly that he knew his Bengahzi/Syria Sec. of State used to have a pet named "ISIS" and didn't want to further that association?

To protect the innocent.

[Ender]

Trump is the idiot; Obama is correct.

Daily News Bin

Why President Obama’s correct usage of “ISIL” vs “ISIS” drives ignorant people crazy
By Bill Palmer | December 20, 2015 |

As President Obama delivered a factual and measured address to the nation last night about the ongoing terrorist threat, some thoughtful Americans took his speech to heart, while others couldn’t seem to get past the fact that he was at times saying “ISIL” instead of “ISIS.” In fact his primary detractor Donald Trump criticized him for it via Twitter, suggesting that Obama was referring to the group incorrectly. As per usual, Trump was standing up on the side of ignorance – and the incident was endemic of why the more ignorant of Americans just can’t seem to stand their current President.

For those wondering, ISIS is a terrorist movement which exists within Iraq and Syria. That’s easy to remember because the final “IS” in “ISIS” stands for those two nations. ISIL refers to the same terrorist movement, but to its various cells spread across the Middle East region at large; the “L” stands for “Levant,” an outdated name for the region. Saying “ISIS” when referring to the entirety of ISIL would be like saying “South Dakota” when referring to both Dakotas combined. You get the point, but it’s still not correct.

Is it important that you and I know the difference, or that we call it by the correct name? Perhaps not. We simply want the movement crushed before it can do more damage. But it is important that the President, who is commanding the military effort against the group, knows the difference. If a President mistakenly thought that these terrorists were limited to just Iraq and Syria, he would have a hard time leading the fight to eradicate it. So Obama makes a point of using the geographically correct terminology as a reminder that this isn’t a two-nation problem. And that’s where he gets into trouble with those who don’t like knowledge.

The reasonable conclusion would be this: because President Obama knows the finer points of the terrorist group he’s been blowing to smithereens, it means the rest of us don’t have to study up on the details. But the most ignorant of Americans see it differently. They’re bothered that the President is using a term they don’t know; they worry that he’s smarter than they are; it makes them feel insecure. They liked it better under the last President, a dummy, because it made them feel smart in comparisons. They can’t be bothered to do ten seconds of googling to find out whether Obama has gotten it right, because they’d rather just assume he’s wrong. That way they can pretend he’s even more ignorant than they are.

And then an enabler like Donald Trump comes along and tells them that their ignorance on the matter is a virtue and that Obama is stupid because he refuses to dumb it down and call a group by the wrong name. So they reward Trump by voting for him. They don’t care that Trump would have no plan for dealing with ISIL or ISIS at all; they simply care that he made them feel good about their ignorance.

[angelatc]

Trump is the idiot; Obama is correct.

Sorry, but I give Trump the point on this. Everybody else calls it ISIS. Obama calls it ISIL just because he's an arrogant prick.

[Ender]

Sorry, but I give Trump the point on this. Everybody else calls it ISIS. Obama calls it ISIL just because he's an arrogant prick.

Uh....NO.

ISIS means just Iraq & Syria; ISIL means Iraq & a chunk of the ME; IS stands for the group, period.

I can't be the only one on the forum who's known this.

The Three Acronyms:

The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (Isis)
The original name for the group in Arabic was Al-Dawla Al-Islamiya fi al-Iraq wa al-Sham. The first three words translate to the Islamic State of Iraq while “al-Sham” refers to Syria or an undefined region around Syria.

The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil)
The undefined region around Syria is historically referred to as the Levant; it includes Syria, Lebanon, Israel and Palestine, and Jordan. This name shows that the militants want their area of control to go beyond Iraq.

Islamic State
The militant group announced in June that they were dropping the last two letters of their acronym and instead should be referred to as just Islamic State.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...e-9731894.html

If you're following the ongoing crisis in Iraq, you've probably encountered the conflicting acronyms used for the jihadist group storming through the country. The Washington Post has been referring to the organization as ISIS, shorthand for the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. This is how most news organizations that operate in English began identifying the outfit when it emerged as a dangerous fighting force two years ago, launching terror strikes and carving out territory amid the Syrian civil war.

But the acronym that's now deployed by many agencies as well as the United Nations and the U.S. State Department — and President Obama — is ISIL, for the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-terror-group/

Throughout his exclusive interview with President Barack Obama on Meet the Press yesterday, Chuck Todd referred to “ISIS” when discussing the Islamic extremist group that has taken over much of Iraq and Syria while the president called that group “ISIL.” During the panel’s discussion of the foreign policy portion of the interview, Todd revealed why he, and many other pundits, believe Obama is insisting on saying “ISIL” while the rest of the media (including Mediaite) seem to have agreed on “ISIS.”

“Obviously, we refer to it at NBC News as ISIS,” Todd explained to anyone who may have been confused by the two different names. “The Obama administration, the president says the word ISIL. The last ‘S’ stands for Syria. The last ‘L’ they don’t want to have stand for Syria.”

As Todd said, ISIS stands for the “Islamic State in Iraq and Syria,” a designation that could indicate the best way to combat the group is to take them on militarily in both of those countries. ISIL stands for the “Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant.” The Levant is a larger area of the Middle East that actually includes Lebanon and Jordan in addition to Syria. But since the Obama administration has shown much more willingness to attack ISIS in Iraq than they have to attack them in Syria, they seem to have decided it is in their best interest to leave the “S” out of the name.

Todd’s explanation is a far cry from that of Fox News’ Harris Faulkner, who said last week on Outnumbered that Obama is “tipping his hat” to ISIS by calling them ISIL. “Levant is a bigger territory,” she said. “That’s why they want to embrace that name and it includes many, many more countries than just Syria.”

While Todd thinks the Obama administration is trying to downplay ISIS’ capabilities, Faulkner thinks they are trying to give them a boost. But Faulkner was a bit behind on her facts. As of June, the group has taken to calling itself “IS” or simply the “Islamic State,” with ambitions of becoming a much more widespread caliphate across more of the Middle East than only Iraq, Syria and the Levant.

And Todd and Faulkner aren’t the only media figures who are speculating about why the Obama administration uses ISIL over ISIS. On Fox & Friends this morning, Donald Trump said ominously that “there’s a reason” why the president prefers “ISIL.” But he declined to reveal what that “reason” is.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/chuck-tod...-isil-to-isis/

[CPUd]

Uh....NO.

ISIS means just Iraq & Syria; ISIL means Iraq & a chunk of the ME; IS stands for the group, period.

I can't be the only one on the forum who's known this.

The Three Acronyms:

The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (Isis)
The original name for the group in Arabic was Al-Dawla Al-Islamiya fi al-Iraq wa al-Sham. The first three words translate to the Islamic State of Iraq while “al-Sham” refers to Syria or an undefined region around Syria.

The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil)
The undefined region around Syria is historically referred to as the Levant; it includes Syria, Lebanon, Israel and Palestine, and Jordan. This name shows that the militants want their area of control to go beyond Iraq.

Islamic State
The militant group announced in June that they were dropping the last two letters of their acronym and instead should be referred to as just Islamic State.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...e-9731894.html



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-terror-group/


http://www.mediaite.com/tv/chuck-tod...-isil-to-isis/

I thought all this was common knowledge on RPFs.

[Ender]

I thought all this was common knowledge on RPFs.

Apparently not.

[dannno]

Are we arguing over what the definition of is, is?

[angelatc]

Apparently not.

. The Associated Press refers to it as the Islamic State while the terror group’s most common name is ISIS. U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron has called the group Dash, something thought to be considered offensive to the organization. The Obama administration has chosen to refer to the group as ISIL.

The terror group's most common name is ISIS. So Trump is indeed basically right. The US media, as well as almost everybody else in the country calls it ISIS. There aren't 2 organizations, and most people can't find the Middle East on a map much less tell you which two countries have ISIS controlled regions.

I thought it was common knowledge that Obama is a pretentious prick. Apparently not.

[Occam's Banana]

[...] most people can't find the Middle East on a map much less tell you which two countries have ISIS controlled regions.

Israel and ... no, wait! Iran ...

Iran and Saudi Whatzitcalled.

Obviously.

Duh.

[Ender]

The terror group's most common name is ISIS. So Trump is indeed basically right. The US media, as well as almost everybody else in the country calls it ISIS. There aren't 2 organizations, and most people can't find the Middle East on a map much less tell you which two countries have ISIS controlled regions.

I thought it was common knowledge that Obama is a pretentious prick. Apparently not.

No, again.

But the acronym that's now deployed by many agencies as well as the United Nations and the U.S. State Department — and President Obama — is ISIL, for the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.

This is for a reason.

Outside of the US there is a global community that knows that the IS is in much and/or has interest in much of the Levant part of the ME. When Obama is talking to the press, he also knows this and is smart enough to know that the IS knows this, so he calls them by the title that the State Department and the UN call them. This shows the IS that the US and allies are not just focused on Iraq and Syria.

So.... ISIL is THE proper name for global communications on the IS.

And, it is Trump who is the pretentious prick.

[ChaosControl]

So using the correct term makes one arrogant and using the incorrect term makes one a man of the people? Seriously Trump supporters youll go to the most extreme reaches to defend your most beloved one. Trump is an ignorant idiot. Common usage doesnt make something right. Heck a lot of people think big government is good, are they right? Sure Obama is arrogant but not because he uses the right terminology.

[adissa]

It's about Israel.
http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...isis_isil.html
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/l...isis-shocking/

[Ender]

It's about Israel.
http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...isis_isil.html

Partially, but NOT the way this article is implying. Israel is in part of the Levant but Obama is NOT calling Israel terrorists. It seems Israel would be grateful to know that the Levant is under watch by its allies.

Also- this article, as well as Trump, upbraid Obama for not saying "Islamic Terrorists". My POV on this is that Obama is right.
90+% of Muslims are not terrorists and do not condone this terror; Plus, a large % of the "Islamic Terrorists" are not active Muslims.

Should the ME call Americans, Christian Terrorists? Are the drones bombers Christian Terrorists? Were the bombed hospitals in the ME terrorized by Christians? Just think what an uprising that would cause in the West, if IS insisted that we were all Christian Terrorists.

[TheTexan]

Trump is 100% correct on this,,

ISIS just rolls off the tongue better,

Only a douchebag would say "ISIL"

[AtlantaIconoclast]

ISIS= Israeli Intelligence Secret Intelligence Services

[AtlantaIconoclast]

ISIS= Israeli Secret Intelligence Service

[angelatc]

No, again.



This is for a reason.

Outside of the US there is a global community that knows that the IS is in much and/or has interest in much of the Levant part of the ME. When Obama is talking to the press, he also knows this and is smart enough to know that the IS knows this, so he calls them by the title that the State Department and the UN call them. This shows the IS that the US and allies are not just focused on Iraq and Syria.

So.... ISIL is THE proper name for global communications on the IS.

And, it is Trump who is the pretentious prick.

pre·ten·tious
prəˈten(t)SHəs/
adjective
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• attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed.
  
  
  

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Trump is sort of the opposite. He's quite openly boorish, and he certainly doesn't talk down to people. Obama does.

[angelatc]

So using the correct term makes one arrogant and using the incorrect term makes one a man of the people? Seriously Trump supporters youll go to the most extreme reaches to defend your most beloved one. Trump is an ignorant idiot. Common usage doesnt make something right. Heck a lot of people think big government is good, are they right? Sure Obama is arrogant but not because he uses the right terminology.

The name of the group is ISIS. The Obama administration just decided to give it a new name because they didn't like the old one. That's pretentious.

[angelatc]

Also- this article, as well as Trump, upbraid Obama for not saying "Islamic Terrorists". My POV on this is that Obama is right.
90+% of Muslims are not terrorists and do not condone this terror; Plus, a large % of the "Islamic Terrorists" are not active Muslims.

Should the ME call Americans, Christian Terrorists? Are the drones bombers Christian Terrorists? Were the bombed hospitals in the ME terrorized by Christians? Just think what an uprising that would cause in the West, if IS insisted that we were all Christian Terrorists.

. People who blow things up while shouting Allah Akbar are indeed Islamic terrorists. Christians who shoot up abortion clinics are indeed Christian Terrorists and we should absolutely call them what they are.

So Obama is right when he says ISIL, because it defines a larger geographic area than ISIS does, even if it's using an outdated word for the region, because you think it means he thinks it's important to be very specific, and ising ISIL will help us realize that ISIS isn't just in I and S. (A fact that nobody believes anyway, but that's an aside.)

But Obama is also right when he refuses to use a specific phrase to narrow down a violent subsect of a specific group when talking about terror, because you think he thinks it would confuse people to be so specific.

I see a pattern here.

[angelatc]

I wonder what Obama calls the CIA? Since they're not really in the center of anything, and the intelligence is seemingly questionable.

[Ender]

. People who blow things up while shouting Allah Akbar are indeed Islamic terrorists. Christians who shoot up abortion clinics are indeed Christian Terrorists and we should absolutely call them what they are.

So Obama is right when he says ISIL, because it defines a larger geographic area than ISIS does, even if it's using an outdated word for the region, because you think it means he thinks it's important to be very specific, and ising ISIL will help us realize that ISIS isn't just in I and S. (A fact that nobody believes anyway, but that's an aside.)

But Obama is also right when he refuses to use a specific phrase to narrow down a violent subsect of a specific group when talking about terror, because you think he thinks it would confuse people to be so specific.

I see a pattern here.

What do you think would happen to peaceful Christians if "Christian Terrorists" was in the news 100 times a day? People would begin to hate and fear any Christian, as they do now with any Muslim. This kind of fear-mongering supports ME wars and the populace will accept it because of those Muslim Terrorists.

It's the same kind of rhetoric that was done against the Indians, the Jews, the Irish, etc. WE don't need this; we need a way to stop meddling in the ME, protect our own country, and spread peace.

I am not an Obama fan, but in this instance, as well as the official term of ISIL, I agree.

[devil21]

This thread is stupid.

[euphemia]

What do you think would happen to peaceful Christians if "Christian Terrorists" was in the news 100 times a day? People would begin to hate and fear any Christian, as they do now with any Muslim. This kind of fear-mongering supports ME wars and the populace will accept it because of those Muslim Terrorists.

Except it is in the news 100 times a day when some freak show bombs clinics or shoots abortionists. Eric Rudoph? Paul Hill? Remember them? They were in the news all the time when they were on the loose. But they were not part of an organized anything. That did not stop the media from indicting all Christians who did not agree with abortion. There are fringe people who teach killing abortionists is justifiable homicide, but they are outliers by far. Kermit Gosnell is not an outlier at all.

For the record, Paul Hill was executed in Florida in 2003.

[Ender]

Except it is in the news 100 times a day when some freak show bombs clinics or shoots abortionists. Eric Rudoph? Paul Hill? Remember them? They were in the news all the time when they were on the loose. But they were not part of an organized anything. That did not stop the media from indicting all Christians who did not agree with abortion. There are fringe people who teach killing abortionists is justifiable homicide, but they are outliers by far. Kermit Gosnell is not an outlier at all.

For the record, Paul Hill was executed in Florida in 2003.

So, next Trump will want to ban all Christians from immigrating and put American Christians on a watch list?

[LibertyEagle]

So, next Trump will want to ban all Christians from immigrating and put American Christians on a watch list?

Since the U.S. is a country founded by Christians for Christians, probably not.

[Ender]

Since the U.S. is a country founded by Christians for Christians, probably not.

It was founded by Christians for certain Christians- Catholics were considered scum- the Irish immigrants were brought as slaves; Mormons were run off and killed- you could legally kill a Mormon in Missouri until 1970- learn some history.

[Zippyjuan]

Don't worry. Trump will send a massive army to deal with ISIS and create peace in the world. And be home in time for Christmas. Shock and awe. Wait- haven't we heard that before? Something about going to Afghanistan for a couple of months to get Bin Laden and then a quick dash into Iraq to get rid of Saddam's Weapons of Mass Destruction. Those will be quick and cheap US victories and create Peace in the Middle East. How did those work out?

[misterx]

It's the same reason he pronounces Beijing with a hard j, he's pretentious. It's technically correct, but nobody in America says it that way.