Libertarians are Jumping Ship This Election Cycle

[Peace&Freedom]

Holy $#@! we have people in here defending Trump's endorsement of Mitt and extreme non-endorsement of Ron, and also knocking Rand for endorsing Mitt.

NO, we have someone here ignoring what I said. I said Trump endorsed Mitt when Trump was fully in with the establishment, then brought up 8 points of fact showing that he has since been on the outs with the establishment. It was not a defense of his past, it was just providing context about where he is at present.

[cajuncocoa]

Yes, and Ron also described himself as a Republican and the most conservative member of Congress.

Yes, he did. But (you can thank Limbaugh, Beck,and Hannity for this) what people think of when they hear the word "conservative" is not someone like Ron. In their minds, Ronald Reagan is the father of modern conservatism, and George W. Bush was following in RR's footsteps. (It's enough to make a true conservative barf, I understand.)

[euphemia]

This has less to do with Trump than it does with getting someone in office who is not bought and paid for by the donor class and who is not directly responsible for the failure of our government to facilitate an environment where we have an economy that supports good jobs for Americans.

Liberty people have got to start talking to people outside the liberty movement. We do a good job of talking to each other, but we do a poor job of talking to people outside our circle. It's okay to have writer and thinkers, but we need to be talking to politicians and convincing them to see things from a liberty perspective.

[Henry Rogue]

That's the spirit!

Why not complete the work that Rand started. Drive away every last one of the people that Ron attracted. You're going to get your wish, cultist. You're going to be one of around 20 or 25 people left on the site (your buddy r3volting will no doubt be around) and it will be like "Lord of the Flies" and then you can all turn on each other- because that's all you are capable of.

How old are you anyway?

Curious, where did Rand drive Ron's supporters to? To Trump? I get that Rand is viewed as not as pure as Ron, particularly with guys like Rockwell and Block. Held that view myself, but to support Trump makes no sense. If Ron is the benchmark, Rand is far closer to Ron, Trump isn't even a close second. I get that minarchists feel like they need to vote for somebody, but AnCaps supporting any Assclown just because he has a chance, seems unprincipled.

[LibertyEagle]

This has less to do with Trump than it does with getting someone in office who is not bought and paid for by the donor class and who is not directly responsible for the failure of our government to facilitate an environment where we have an economy that supports good jobs for Americans.

Liberty people have got to start talking to people outside the liberty movement. We do a good job of talking to each other, but we do a poor job of talking to people outside our circle. It's okay to have writer and thinkers, but we need to be talking to politicians and convincing them to see things from a liberty perspective.

EXACTLY.

[erowe1]

So what? The world of politics is very fluid. I think Ron could be the bigger person and reach out a little bit. Trump's not stupid. He know Ron has a significant following. It won't cost anything to reach out.

If Ron is going to do this at all, it should be with Cruz.

[Smitty]

The vast majority of Ron's supporters weren't Libertarians. Most of them began supporting Trump a long time ago. It's good to have the Libertarians on board. But Trump already has the base that supported Ron Paul.

[invisible]

This has less to do with Trump than it does with getting someone in office who is not bought and paid for by the donor class and who is not directly responsible for the failure of our government to facilitate an environment where we have an economy that supports good jobs for Americans.

Liberty people have got to start talking to people outside the liberty movement. We do a good job of talking to each other, but we do a poor job of talking to people outside our circle. It's okay to have writer and thinkers, but we need to be talking to politicians and convincing them to see things from a liberty perspective.

And that's why I go to the state Capitol on a regular basis.

[invisible]

The vast majority of Ron's supporters weren't Libertarians. Most of them began supporting Trump a long time ago. It's good to have the Libertarians on board. But Trump already has the base that supported Ron Paul.

You're confusing "base" with "soft support".

[euphemia]

If Ron is going to do this at all, it should be with Cruz.

That would be rich. They are both from Texas. If they haven't been talking by now, then that's just too bad. Cruz doesn't reach out to people very well.

[Smitty]

You're confusing "base" with "soft support".

Nope.

I knew as soon as it became evident that the media couldn't shake Trump's support loose who his base was.

It's the people who had already seen those tactics used on Ron Paul. It's "nose on your face" flagrantly evident.

[Jan2017]

The vast majority of Ron's supporters weren't Libertarians. Most of them began supporting Trump a long time ago. It's good to have the Libertarians on board. But Trump already has the base that supported Ron Paul.

Trump is Giuliani 2.0 - "Freedom is about authority"

Libertarians don't really need to vote this election . . .
unless they have a Senator endorsing Trump that they want to vote against

[hankrichter12]

This has less to do with Trump than it does with getting someone in office who is not bought and paid for by the donor class and who is not directly responsible for the failure of our government to facilitate an environment where we have an economy that supports good jobs for Americans.

Liberty people have got to start talking to people outside the liberty movement. We do a good job of talking to each other, but we do a poor job of talking to people outside our circle. It's okay to have writer and thinkers, but we need to be talking to politicians and convincing them to see things from a liberty perspective.

Holy smokes, did you just say a mouth full. If I was able to to the +rep thing I would, but I'm still not worthy I guess, sorry.

Curious, where did Rand drive Ron's supporters to? To Trump? I get that Rand is viewed as not as pure as Ron, particularly with guys like Rockwell and Block. Held that view myself, but to support Trump makes no sense. If Ron is the benchmark, Rand is far closer to Ron, Trump isn't even a close second. I get that minarchists feel like they need to vote for somebody, but AnCaps supporting any Assclown just because he has a chance, seems unprincipled.

No one is voting for Trump based on his purity so what you are saying does not apply. Most see Trump as a battering ram against the establishment and the media, that is all. No one is claiming he's a liberty candidate, least of all him, Rand however did fashion himself a Defender of Liberty so obviously he is held to a different standard.

[Jan2017]

Holy smokes, did you just say a mouth full. If I was able to to the +rep thing I would, but I'm still not worthy I guess, sorry.

You are the first on the forum that I have ever seen going down in rep boxes, but there are probably others
- only one more now to go until they turn red with negative rep?

[hankrichter12]

You are the first on the forum that I have ever seen going down in rep boxes, but there are probably others
- only one more now to go until they turn red with negative rep?

As long as I'm not going down in my gold/silver/ammo stores I fail to see the issue.

[Smitty]

As it relates to the current GOP primary, the only people getting neg reps is the reality based community on here.

[LibertyEagle]

If Ron is going to do this at all, it should be with Cruz.

Nah, Cruz and his wife are one-world government folks. That probably fits well with your beliefs though, since you are constantly hawking the illegal alien overrun of our country. But, Ron Paul, nah, not a fit.

[LibertyEagle]

You are the first on the forum that I have ever seen going down in rep boxes, but there are probably others
- only one more now to go until they turn red with negative rep?

Is that how it works now? The less rep you have, the more grounded in reality you are? Oh boy. A new game.

[openfire]

You are the first on the forum that I have ever seen going down in rep boxes, but there are probably others
- only one more now to go until they turn red with negative rep?

As it relates to the current GOP primary, the only people getting neg reps is the reality based community on here.

And there are only 3 or 4 serial neg-reppers doing the neg-repping. Here is one of them:



That's why I always try to +rep the "reality" posters as much as I can - to try to help offset these neg-rep terrorists. Alas, my rep-power is too low to make a significant impact, but every little bit helps I suppose. LOL

[Smitty]

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[erowe1]

Nah, Cruz and his wife are one-world government folks.

Source?

[openfire]

And there are only 3 or 4 serial neg-reppers doing the neg-repping. Here is one of them:



That's why I always try to +rep the "reality" posters as much as I can - to try to help offset these neg-rep terrorists. Alas, my rep-power is too low to make a significant impact, but every little bit helps I suppose. LOL

^ Got neg-repped for this post too.

[Henry Rogue]

Holy smokes, did you just say a mouth full. If I was able to to the +rep thing I would, but I'm still not worthy I guess, sorry.



No one is voting for Trump based on his purity so what you are saying does not apply. Most see Trump as a battering ram against the establishment and the media, that is all. No one is claiming he's a liberty candidate, least of all him, Rand however did fashion himself a Defender of Liberty so obviously he is held to a different standard.

Yes, I know people aren't supporting Trump on principles, they want revenge for the 2012 convention or as a F U towards the powers that be. But what I posted does apply to what I quoted and bolded. How did Rand push Ron's supporters away then, if it wasn’t on principles? And what was Rockwell's negativity towards Rand if not for purity of principles? Most people I understand, they want to vote for whoever they perceive as the least evil or the other examples given, but Rockwell and his guys really disappoint me.

[phill4paul]

^ Got neg-repped for this post too.

Have another.

[Jamesiv1]

No one in politics has the balls to really go after Hillary except for Trump.

You are living in an alternate reality if you cannot understand how badly he is going to destroy her.

I hope you're right about this.

If Trump wins the nomination, I relish the idea of him ripping Hillary a new one. Lord knows, he's got a long list of things to choose from.

But in the end, I wonder how *really* down and dirty Trump will get. The "Clinton Machine" has demonstrated clearly how far it will go... if you know what I mean.

He's been successful in business, but Trump is a greenhorn in politics.

Different ballgame. Often very dirty ballgame. Sometimes a deadly ballgame.

[openfire]

Have another.

Thank you, I'll add it to my collection. Neg rep from you is a badge of honor!

[hankrichter12]

Yes, I know people aren't supporting Trump on principles, they want revenge for the 2012 convention or as a F U towards the powers that be. But what I posted does apply to what I quoted and bolded. How did Rand push Ron's supporters away then, if it wasn’t on principles? And what was Rockwell's negativity towards Rand if not for purity of principles? Most people I understand, they want to vote for whoever they perceive as the least evil or the other examples given, but Rockwell and his guys really disappoint me.

Hmmm, not sure how I can explain it. I have more anger towards someone who pretends to be my friend and then stabs me in the back, as opposed to someone who was up front from the start that they hated me and do something bad.

I don't have any notions about Trump being a Liberty candidate, I don't see him claiming to carry that banner, I guess looking at Rand, since he was not a self-funded billionaire all he had that separated him from any other Rep talking about less govt was his principles, and he didn't stand on them, so I guess what else does he have to offer?

[acptulsa]

But in the end, I wonder how *really* down and dirty Trump will get.

Seems reasonably obvious.

[hankrichter12]

Nah, Cruz and his wife are one-world government folks. That probably fits well with your beliefs though, since you are constantly hawking the illegal alien overrun of our country. But, Ron Paul, nah, not a fit.

It is kinda funny how these same people who claim to love liberty keep pushing for world government, but I guess they think once the borders fall all those elites will just voluntarily step down, dissolve the UN, NATO, EU, etc and we'll have our anarchist utopia.

[hells_unicorn]

Well, Romney conspired with the GOP party bosses to completely destroy Ron Paul's candidacy and it didn't take Rand long to get over that.

Trump was one of those conspirators dude, nice try.