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Thread: A push for 3rd party in 2016

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    A push for 3rd party in 2016

    With no horse in the race and candidates on both sides being unappealing to their base, is 2016 a good year to encourage people to leave the two party system, regardless of where they go?

    http://www.john-uebersax.com/parties.htm




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    A xcf file so anyone with GIMP can open this project file.

    http://www.mediafire.com/download/8k...b/signbase.xcf


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    to be fair, a strong libertarian turnout does actually help Clinton. Thus is the fallacy of our First Past the Post, 2 Party System.

    When you vote 3rd party, you hurt the main party most representative of your views, and hurt they who are least Representative.

    The real battle we need to have is getting Alternate Voting implimented, as in, we all vote for our top 3 or 5 or whatever, which destroys the spoiler effect against 3rd parties, allowing us to actually be competitive.

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    ...oops wrong thread too many windows open ...

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

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    This actually maybe a great year for a third party. With Trump and Hillary as the leading candidate I would full on support a non insane third party. Every poll is showing a huge block of Republicans that will NOT vote for Trump me being in that group.
    War; everything in the world wrong, evil and immoral combined into one and multiplied by millions.

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    I have a funny feeling Bernie will go third party, unless............ he is offered the VP slot. Bernie won't easily give up his notoriety and fame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertas Aut Mortis View Post
    to be fair, a strong libertarian turnout does actually help Clinton. Thus is the fallacy of our First Past the Post, 2 Party System.

    When you vote 3rd party, you hurt the main party most representative of your views, and hurt they who are least Representative.

    The real battle we need to have is getting Alternate Voting implimented, as in, we all vote for our top 3 or 5 or whatever, which destroys the spoiler effect against 3rd parties, allowing us to actually be competitive.
    I do favor Trump over Clinton but he hasn't done anything do gain my support, and there are long term gains by getting people out of the two party mindset where they are voting to win vs voting on principles. If we were to manage to effect enough people to change the outcome of the election (doubtful) it would be a good sign for future elections, even if I would not like the short term election results.



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    Quote Originally Posted by P3ter_Griffin View Post
    I do favor Trump over Clinton but he hasn't done anything do gain my support, and there are long term gains by getting people out of the two party mindset where they are voting to win vs voting on principles. If we were to manage to effect enough people to change the outcome of the election (doubtful) it would be a good sign for future elections, even if I would not like the short term election results.
    I pretty much agree with you 100%

    Me personally, I would rather have the Libertarian Party take 15% of the vote and let Clinton win...because then we would be THE story in 2020 (I hope)

    But check out this video, let me know what you think. https://youtu.be/3Y3jE3B8HsE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertas Aut Mortis View Post
    I pretty much agree with you 100%

    Me personally, I would rather have the Libertarian Party take 15% of the vote and let Clinton win...because then we would be THE story in 2020 (I hope)

    But check out this video, let me know what you think. https://youtu.be/3Y3jE3B8HsE
    Be careful of what you wish for. If there is a Hillary Clinton presidency, there may not be a 2020. And good luck suing the Clinton Foundation where all the country's money is being laundered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianne View Post
    Be careful of what you wish for. If there is a Hillary Clinton presidency, there may not be a 2020. And good luck suing the Clinton Foundation where all the country's money is being laundered.
    Clinton would be either indicted or impeached.

    Just imagine, the death of Populism (Trump) Democratic Socialism (Bernie) and the Ruling Elite (Clinton) in 4 short years....we could emerge from that. We would have to be careful not to allow the flames to come back up....but I cannot imagine a better year for us than 2020.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianne View Post
    Be careful of what you wish for. If there is a Hillary Clinton presidency, there may not be a 2020. And good luck suing the Clinton Foundation where all the country's money is being laundered.
    if Trump is the nominee there very well be no 2020.....
    War; everything in the world wrong, evil and immoral combined into one and multiplied by millions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertas Aut Mortis View Post
    Clinton would be either indicted or impeached.

    Just imagine, the death of Populism (Trump) Democratic Socialism (Bernie) and the Ruling Elite (Clinton) in 4 short years....we could emerge from that. We would have to be careful not to allow the flames to come back up....but I cannot imagine a better year for us than 2020.
    That would be in a perfect world. When you have NSA spying at the fingertips of the President, who can blackmail every member of Congress, and arrest any member of the rank and file, you don't have "freedom". Once Hillary has the key to the Kingdom, aka the NSA, she has the ticket to ride; and all (including Obama), should dread her wrath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianne View Post
    That would be in a perfect world. When you have NSA spying at the fingertips of the President, who can blackmail every member of Congress, and arrest any member of the rank and file, you don't have "freedom". Once Hillary has the key to the Kingdom, aka the NSA, she has the ticket to ride; and all (including Obama), should dread her wrath.
    Hillary will blackmail, Trump will intern.

    Or was it Hillary will intern, Trump will blackmail.....

    oh yea, I forgot they are literally on the exact same team. Best buddies.

    It makes me think of that JFK Quote about peaceful revolutions......

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    Don't let others get you down. Not naysayers, not pretenders, not appeasers, not opportunists; none of em.

    What others do pales beside what YOU do.

    Press on! - The r3VOLution continues...

    "Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence.Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'press on' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."

    ~ C.Coolidge

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    That picture was taken on Walker's Point in Kennebunkport.

    Goes to show how tight the tie was between HW and Bill.

    Running a drug ring together tends to do that.


    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulhawaii View Post



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    How about a massive campaign for abstaining from the election instead of voting 3rd party?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianne View Post
    Be careful of what you wish for. If there is a Hillary Clinton presidency, there may not be a 2020. And good luck suing the Clinton Foundation where all the country's money is being laundered.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dianne View Post
    That would be in a perfect world. When you have NSA spying at the fingertips of the President, who can blackmail every member of Congress, and arrest any member of the rank and file, you don't have "freedom". Once Hillary has the key to the Kingdom, aka the NSA, she has the ticket to ride; and all (including Obama), should dread her wrath.
    You make Hillary sound almost as bad as Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    How about a massive campaign for abstaining from the election instead of voting 3rd party?
    cool bro, go start a thread for it.

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    If the LP can get 5% or more of the Presidential vote around the country in 2016, it would qualify for regular or permanent ballot status in about half of the states for several years (i.e., those states that give such status based on getting a minimum vote level in the Presidential race). This would vastly lessen the burden of the party in running and funding independent petition drives they would otherwise have to conduct across the US.

    With that burden cut in half nationally, the party could then concentrate on earning regular status in the other states. Overall, a uniform 5%+ national performance by the LP would lead to improving the party's ability to maintain regular ballot status (once obtained) across the country. This was one of the practical reasons why the party would have welcomed Ron Paul running on the LP line in 2008 and 2012, after his GOP bid was stalled.
    -----Peace & Freedom, John Clifton-----
    Blog: https://electclifton.wordpress.com/2...lism-on-purge/

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    This is the year a third party really has a chance to break through.
    War; everything in the world wrong, evil and immoral combined into one and multiplied by millions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulhawaii View Post
    Hope its alright I uploaded this on the Vote 3rd party twitter page. I couldn't get it to display the image without clicking the tweet when linking to it.

    If anyone has any articles/videos/images in promotion of voting 3rd party or for your 3rd party candidate tweet it to me and I'll retweet it. 0 followers so I won't get you many views probably. But who knows what'll happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulhawaii View Post
    This pic works too.

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    Define Terrorist please.

    According to, well, pretty much both political parties, the other party is now guilty of Terrorism.
    Listening to the mainstream media is like standing under a power line when the birds are migrating.

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    Agreed. I was all for the plan, but third party seems the thing worth pushing now.

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