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    Quote Originally Posted by Bossobass View Post
    I was in on conversations with Josh before he started this one. But, you're prob right… I should take his lead on exiting.

    And, most positively yes, it goes without saying… political debates, arguments, whatever they're allowed to be called these days… have zero to do with my openness to friendship. I made many friends traveling the USA in support of RP. LE is one of them and I dislike seeing her mugged by thugs. So, sue me.
    LOL- she usually mugs me first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    LOL- she usually mugs me first.
    This.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    apparently putting someone on ignore for two months doesn't prevent notifications from quoting your messages.

    that ought to be fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritOf1776_J4 View Post
    apparently putting someone on ignore for two months doesn't prevent notifications from quoting your messages.

    that ought to be fixed.
    And this has what to do with the thread topic, exactly? And you think putting it on page 9 of a thread far outside the site feedback subforum will get it to those who can do something about it sooner because why, exactly? And you think two months should make what difference in how the computer software presents you with information, exactly? And you think anyone should care because why, exactly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    I didn't get one that time. might be a bug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritOf1776_J4 View Post
    I didn't get one that time. might be a bug.
    If I were actually on ignore, and you actually got nothing, then you wouldn't know if I quoted you or not. So, you're hijacking this thread to lie to all of us because...?

    I hope this game is amusing to you. Seems sillier than Red Rover to the adults in the room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bossobass View Post
    Just what the hell are you libertarians afraid of?

    You're new, so:

    1) Read the RULES.
    Yes, please do.


    2) Do NOT promote anything that the rules, as WE interpret them, forbid.
    Correct, which can be summed up as do not promote hate based positions (racism, sexism, etc), and do not promote candidates we do not support based on our open and community driven campaign evaluations.

    3) Free Speech is a huge NOT on a liberty forum.
    Free speech is huge but it if was left wide open the discussion would devolve into complete trash talk, it wouldn't be functional. So while opinions are nearly wide open, degrading other site members is not.


    4) Observe ONLY… no likes or dislikes will be tolerated.
    Not the case at all, how is this viewpoint being derived?


    5) Feel free to visit the local supermarket daily and dredge any Never Trump articles you see in the Inquirer and post them here with impunity (or, whine like a stuck pig if opposed).
    And anything false within the negatives can be called out. The goal is to functional discuss issues which can be done without promoting the candidate.


    6) When the Redcoats kick your door in, remember, the King sets the rules. You have no say, rebel.
    The site has always been private property and has always had guidelines.


    Gotcha. Sounds as boring as it reads, and good luck with that sort of "Liberty".
    Having a site that strives for intellectual discourse in debate, and away from personal mudslinging, sounds pretty good to me. It may not be as exciting as some sites for some people so it's not for everyone.


    I was in on conversations with Josh before he started this one. But, you're prob right… I should take his lead on exiting.
    Josh has not exited, he sold it to me for personal reasons and is limited with his participation for various reasons but he is still supportive. I meet and talked with him a few weeks ago, I wanted his input about the new site vision before it was announced. I was aware of your and Josh's meeting, he spoke very highly of you. I carry over Josh's respect. I understand we don't agree on the Trump issue and that's fine, but we can disagree amicably, there are a lot of other positive things that can be done beyond being divided on who to support for president.

    Best.
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  9. #248
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    No forgiveness in this life or the next, I see- even from 9 years ago.
    He is still so pro Hillary by being the most anti trump person posting on RPF.
    Could actually be PPP for $$$ by the amount of post he makes, if you have been posting on the net for the last 9 years you can recognize patterns of certain posters on certain topics.
    One admitted to a forum he was posting on, his term was up, 1 year contract, and was coming clean, must of felt guilty.
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  11. #249
    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    He is still so pro Hillary by being the most anti trump person posting on RPF.
    Could actually be PPP for $$$ by the amount of post he makes, if you have been posting on the net for the last 9 years you can recognize patterns of certain posters on certain topics.
    One admitted to a forum he was posting on, his term was up, 1 year contract, and was coming clean, must of felt guilty.
    Criticism of a candidate does not imply support for another.
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    He is still so pro Hillary by being the most anti trump person posting on RPF.
    Please focus on the issues vs passing judgement against other members- which is against the guidelines.

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  13. #251
    Quote Originally Posted by Bryan View Post

    Josh has not exited, he sold it to me for personal reasons and is limited with his participation for various reasons but he is still supportive. I meet and talked with him a few weeks ago, I wanted his input about the new site vision before it was announced. I was aware of your and Josh's meeting, he spoke very highly of you. I carry over Josh's respect. I understand we don't agree on the Trump issue and that's fine, but we can disagree amicably, there are a lot of other positive things that can be done beyond being divided on who to support for president.

    Best.
    Hi Bryan,

    Thanks for the effort. I must say that I respond in kind. I find it offensive in a person to respond otherwise. I apologize if that doesn't suit you personally or the rules or the vocal minority. Some of these guys get a free pass to snark puke all over other members in the name of Ron Paul. That's just as disgusting as supporting Clinton to me.

    I don't support Trump. No rallies, no donations, no signs, no emails. Rather, I have for months simply stated that he's the nominee, Never Trumpites, agent provocateurs, GOP royalty and various other talking monkeys notwithstanding, so get used to it and stop with the cartoon negative campaigns.

    It's my opinion that RP is obviously butt hurt over how Trump dominated his son with tactics that are appalling to RP, but I'm disappointed that Ron talks publicly about how his views "overlap on several issues" with Bernie freakin' Sanders of the Democratic National Socialist party, but refuses to say the same about Trump regarding Audit the FED, non-interventionism, NATO, debt, Yellen, etc.

    I feel that although a Bernie Sanders and/or Clinton will never change their agendas one iota, Trump is open to many things a guy like Ron Paul could impart to him instead of the rather silly things RP has said about Trump.

    These issues are disallowed to be discussed while negative establishment bull$#@! articles like the retard cartoon in this thread with Trump's finger on the nuclear button, a devolved modern version of what the establishment did to Goldwater in '64 are not only allowed, they dominate the forum landscape.

    Change the name of the forum to never anyone but Ron Paul. I'm good with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritOf1776_J4 View Post
    apparently putting someone on ignore for two months doesn't prevent notifications from quoting your messages.

    that ought to be fixed.
    acp is correct, you should post this in the feedback forum. What you are doing here looks to be passive aggressive.

    Otherwise, I'll report the issue, it's nothing I will personal fix.

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  15. #253
    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    Criticism of a candidate does not imply support for another.
    "The enemy of my friend via vast forum posts and blogs, is the friend of my enemy."
    Election 2016
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    "The enemy of my friend via vast forum posts and blogs, is the friend of my enemy."
    Election 2016
    Not this time.

    This time about ten percent of the population nominated the two most evil characters in the nation, and they are daring us to pick which one is the lesser evil.

    Neither one is a lesser evil. Anyone who feels that they are the only two choices in this, because approximately ten percent of the population says so, is a damned fool. And no amount of repetition of this falsehood is ever going to convince the people here that they are.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

  17. #255
    @Bossobass

    You are on the right side of objectivity, and pragmatism on this election cycle.
    What I really hope happens is Ron Paul is allowed to give an unedited foreign policy speech at the RNC this year, I hope Trump knows he at least needs to try to bring some of the Ron Paul people into the fold, giving them more respect than Romney or McCain did in 08 & 12 at the RNC would go a long way.
    Et cognoscetis veritatem et veritas liberabit vos

  18. #256
    Quote Originally Posted by Bryan View Post
    acp is correct, you should post this in the feedback forum. What you are doing here looks to be passive aggressive.

    Otherwise, I'll report the issue, it's nothing I will personal fix.

    Thanks.
    Do I really need to be insulted AGAIN for saying insulting messages that appear in my private message notification as quotes is bad - the whole reason that they are on ignore in the first place, while they are encouraged in it again?

    I'm just responding in kind too, with a thoughtful question as to what passive aggressive really means here. I think boss's message was spot on.

    Thanks. (me being passive aggressive )



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  20. #257
    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    @Bossobass

    You are on the right side of objectivity, and pragmatism on this election cycle.
    What I really hope happens is Ron Paul is allowed to give an unedited foreign policy speech at the RNC this year, I hope Trump knows he at least needs to try to bring some of the Ron Paul people into the fold, giving them more respect than Romney or McCain did in 08 & 12 at the RNC would go a long way.
    Holding your breath?

    Israel should keep building settlements in the West Bank, Republican front-runner Donald Trump said on Tuesday...
    Last edited by acptulsa; 05-04-2016 at 08:46 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

  21. #258
    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    @Bossobass

    You are on the right side of objectivity, and pragmatism on this election cycle.
    What I really hope happens is Ron Paul is allowed to give an unedited foreign policy speech at the RNC this year, I hope Trump knows he at least needs to try to bring some of the Ron Paul people into the fold, giving them more respect than Romney or McCain did in 08 & 12 at the RNC would go a long way.
    Hope all you want. Not gonna happen.

  22. #259
    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    He is still so pro Hillary by being the most anti trump person posting on RPF.
    Could actually be PPP for $$$ by the amount of post he makes, if you have been posting on the net for the last 9 years you can recognize patterns of certain posters on certain topics.
    One admitted to a forum he was posting on, his term was up, 1 year contract, and was coming clean, must of felt guilty.
    F**k that, the title belongs to me, its not just that I hate Trump, I also hate his supporters and I think that should put me ahead of anyone else in the running.

  23. #260
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Holding your breath?
    Here is the response from another forum to that idea

    "The RNC never gave Ron Paul movement it's due, if Trump could do that, it would be a winning tactic."



    Great point. I know a lot of republicans and former republicans that have not forgiven the party for 2012. This would be go a long way to bringing back a big component of the party which has been lost. I know people that worked for the RP campaign in 2012 that switched parties this year to vote for Bernie in a closed primary.
    Et cognoscetis veritatem et veritas liberabit vos

  24. #261
    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    @Bossobass

    You are on the right side of objectivity, and pragmatism on this election cycle.
    What I really hope happens is Ron Paul is allowed to give an unedited foreign policy speech at the RNC this year, I hope Trump knows he at least needs to try to bring some of the Ron Paul people into the fold, giving them more respect than Romney or McCain did in 08 & 12 at the RNC would go a long way.
    Not a chance with the Pauls so against Trump - but with Rand endorsing Romney in 2012 .

    But yea, that *should* have happened. Personally, I'm getting to dislike Paul a little with the nods to an outright - actual member of organizations of, communist. Yea, I donated a lot of money to the Pauls too.

    I'm getting at the same time more libertarian and more objectivist - although I understand not everyone is the later. I think we need to know if this is a paul only site - which is fine with me - or a general site where we can discuss liberty's future - - including mistakes the Pauls may have made we can do better at.
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  25. #262
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    F**k that, the title belongs to me, its not just that I hate Trump, I also hate his supporters and I think that should put me ahead of anyone else in the running.
    Oh, I don't know. I think to find the person who deserves his title the most, you have to find the person who hates Trump and the five percent of the population who foisted that practical joke on this nation much more than he or she hates Hillary Clinton and the five percent of the population who foisted that on this nation.

    Which lets me out of the running. I hate them all just the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    Here is the response from another forum to that idea
    If you hold your breath waiting for that to happen, you're going to be more than 33% blue.

    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritOf1776_J4 View Post
    Personally, I'm getting to dislike Paul a little with the nods to an outright - actual member of organizations of, communist.
    One wonders if it's possible to get a little specificity in this thread. The allusions to unnamed wrongs are flying about in thick profusion, but no one has a clue what any of it is about.

    If anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    @Bossobass

    You are on the right side of objectivity, and pragmatism on this election cycle.
    What I really hope happens is Ron Paul is allowed to give an unedited foreign policy speech at the RNC this year, I hope Trump knows he at least needs to try to bring some of the Ron Paul people into the fold, giving them more respect than Romney or McCain did in 08 & 12 at the RNC would go a long way.
    Why would Ron Paul people want to be in the fold with a guy who openly admits he wants to destroy civil liberties?
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    F**k that, the title belongs to me, its not just that I hate Trump, I also hate his supporters and I think that should put me ahead of anyone else in the running.
    Sorry he has almost 14K posts, so he is spending more time than you on it, he wins

    Only one difference I don't think your getting paid, I think you are sincere.... unless you were for Hillary too at one point???
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    Sorry he has almost 14K posts, so he is spending more time than you on it, he wins

    Only one difference I don't think your getting paid, I think you are sincere.... unless you were for Hillary too at one point???
    I don't hate Trump or his supporters. I do pity them a bit though.
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    Why would Ron Paul people want to be in the fold with a guy who openly admits he wants to destroy civil liberties?
    Neither the original poster you are referring to, nor I, am for Trump. That isn't, as I'm sure you are well aware, what he said.

  31. #267
    Quote Originally Posted by Bossobass View Post
    ... Some of these guys get a free pass to snark puke all over other members in the name of Ron Paul. That's just as disgusting as supporting Clinton to me.

    I don't support Trump. No rallies, no donations, no signs, no emails. Rather, I have for months simply stated that he's the nominee, Never Trumpites, agent provocateurs, GOP royalty and various other talking monkeys notwithstanding, so get used to it and stop with the cartoon negative campaigns.

    It's my opinion that RP is obviously butt hurt over how Trump dominated his son with tactics that are appalling to RP, but I'm disappointed that Ron talks publicly about how his views "overlap on several issues" with Bernie freakin' Sanders of the Democratic National Socialist party, but refuses to say the same about Trump regarding Audit the FED, non-interventionism, NATO, debt, Yellen, etc.

    I feel that although a Bernie Sanders and/or Clinton will never change their agendas one iota, Trump is open to many things a guy like Ron Paul could impart to him instead of the rather silly things RP has said about Trump.

    These issues are disallowed to be discussed while negative establishment bull$#@! articles like the retard cartoon in this thread with Trump's finger on the nuclear button, a devolved modern version of what the establishment did to Goldwater in '64 are not only allowed, they dominate the forum landscape.
    That is a pretty spot on observation. As far as Ron I was thinking it is combination of his son's loss to him with a business decision seeing a market for that audience for advertising page views and donations. He also might be worried about competition for fund raising should Trump win the nomination. It is disappointing behavior.

    Although I agree with your assessment it also depends when you listen to Ron since he does hit Sanders at times to.

    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    @Bossobass

    You are on the right side of objectivity, and pragmatism on this election cycle.
    What I really hope happens is Ron Paul is allowed to give an unedited foreign policy speech at the RNC this year, I hope Trump knows he at least needs to try to bring some of the Ron Paul people into the fold, giving them more respect than Romney or McCain did in 08 & 12 at the RNC would go a long way.
    This would be ideal but unfortunately Ron does not look like he wants to play ball. A strategic mistake if you actually want to get some of your beliefs into the national dialog and eventually legislation. Perhaps fund raising for his own organization to appeal solely to a small faction of libertarians is more important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bossobass View Post
    Hi Bryan,

    Thanks for the effort. I must say that I respond in kind. I find it offensive in a person to respond otherwise. I apologize if that doesn't suit you personally or the rules or the vocal minority. Some of these guys get a free pass to snark puke all over other members in the name of Ron Paul. That's just as disgusting as supporting Clinton to me.

    I don't support Trump. No rallies, no donations, no signs, no emails. Rather, I have for months simply stated that he's the nominee, Never Trumpites, agent provocateurs, GOP royalty and various other talking monkeys notwithstanding, so get used to it and stop with the cartoon negative campaigns.

    It's my opinion that RP is obviously butt hurt over how Trump dominated his son with tactics that are appalling to RP, but I'm disappointed that Ron talks publicly about how his views "overlap on several issues" with Bernie freakin' Sanders of the Democratic National Socialist party, but refuses to say the same about Trump regarding Audit the FED, non-interventionism, NATO, debt, Yellen, etc.

    I feel that although a Bernie Sanders and/or Clinton will never change their agendas one iota, Trump is open to many things a guy like Ron Paul could impart to him instead of the rather silly things RP has said about Trump.

    These issues are disallowed to be discussed while negative establishment bull$#@! articles like the retard cartoon in this thread with Trump's finger on the nuclear button, a devolved modern version of what the establishment did to Goldwater in '64 are not only allowed, they dominate the forum landscape.

    Change the name of the forum to never anyone but Ron Paul. I'm good with that.
    This is pretty much what I think, and is spot on about Sanders. I'm also none too happy with the Pauls dropping out after saying they'd go all the way, especially Rand dropping out after one primary this election.

    I think we need to rally around an actual libertarian candidate. With Sanders seeding very real long term seeds of communism, this is vital. Johnson is not it, and if the liberty movement dies, I would rather it not be
    with someone who wants to force people to bake politically correct cakes.

  33. #269
    if the liberty movement dies, I would rather it not be
    with someone who wants to force people to bake politically correct cakes.
    Yup strategic thinking about the future, not just responding with unrealistic emotional fantasy.
    Et cognoscetis veritatem et veritas liberabit vos

  34. #270
    I don't hate trump, but I detest his views, his values, his history of crony capitalism, and I condemn him for his past record of propping up oppressive elites.

    It's clear that the handful of trump supporters that persist here agree a lot more with trump's policies than Ron Paul's, which are diametrically opposed.

    And for an objectivist to support trump, (trump is in word and action a true Orren Boyle/Gordon Prescott for our time), leads me to question sincerity.

    Trump and Clinton are the same thing, down to the little hands and the hairstyles. I'm not sure we've ever had two candidates who think and look so much alike. Inverventionists, bankster buddies, leftists, tied at the hip for decades. These people are poison for America and there's no way I can see one as preferable to the other.

    And man, for somebody to imply that somehow trump is "correcting" Ron Paul's "mistakes." I can only say it's good that I'm not Bryan, because that kind of talk makes my blood boil. Ron Paul's achievement in American politics is unequaled. His message and the manner in which he delivered it were and are unequaled. trump hated Ron Paul because Ron Paul represented the end of the aristocracy of pull that was trump's vehicle to success. The man who could call the most honorable public figure in hundreds of years "clown-like" deserves no support. No support. trump's supporters deserve no voice on a Ron Paul forum. So yeah, it's good that I don't run the place.

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