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    Campaign Evaluation: Donald Trump (POTUS)

    NOTE: This is the official evaluation thread on this candidate. Previously developed points in other threads can be posted here. Assistance in aggregating points for each section is appreciated. Non-constructive posts may be deleted.

    This thread is intended to be a collection point of the strong pros and cons of any potential liberty candidate / campaign that is being discussed / promoted on the forum. You are welcome to post both positive and not-so-positive attributes about the candidate as they related to their position on supporting liberty as well as issues relating to their campaign. The most important information may be aggregated in this top post for easy reference.

    Candidate Name: Donald Trump
    Office Sought: President of the United States
    Website: https://www.donaldjtrump.com
    Social Media:
    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump
    https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump
    https://www.instagram.com/realdonaldtrump

    Candidate Profile: On the Issues
    Civil Liberties: F
    Constitutional Issues: F
    Economic Issues: C
    Foreign Policy: F
    Social Issues: C
    Overall Issues Rating: F


    Race Profile: Competition & Demographics
    Incumbent:Barack Obama
    Other Primary Candidates: Ted Cruz, John Kasich
    Non-Incumbent Candidates from Other Parties: Hillary Clinton, Gary Johnson, John McAfee, Bernie Sanders
    Relevant poll numbers:
    Overall Race Profile Rating: B

    Miscellaneous Pros/Cons
    Key strong points:

    Unknown points for further research:

    Possible weak points: character

    Possible deal breakers:

    The applied analysis goes well beyond a simple libertarian “purity test” as we understand the potential value of supporting an imperfect candidate who can still be of value to our Mission. We understand the positive changes that Trump can bring and have considered these elements with great care. We have also looked into the down sides as well and evaluated them along with the risks and unknowns. From this we are able to make a fully informed evaluation that considers all elements.

    The conclusion of our analysis shows there are reasons why the Trump campaign should not be supported at any level. The site's final determination is a result of some of Trump's extreme positions against liberty, his current power and influence, his predatory alpha-style tactics and his drive to get his way, which in total, is a potentially dangerous combination with the office of the presidency.

    Of course, it is impossible to predict what Trump's behavior and actions will be once in the White House, and speculation of any specific wrong-doing would be fruitless, but the concerns are enough for us to withhold any support for Trump as some form of “defense candidate”, supporting the lessor of two evils or hoping for some side benefit from him winning the presidency.

    It is understood that some people may not share this concern and still see value in supporting Trump in some capacity, this is understood. While we can amicably agree on differences we do not want to be responsible for supporting what may prove to be a very bad outcome that was reasonably perceivable up front.


    Overall Rating: Non-Supporting
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    Trump on torture: "We have to beat the savages"
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/06/politi...trump-torture/

    Trump supports NSA data collection
    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...a-surveillance

    Trump opposes drug legalization: changed his views altogether on marijuana legalization
    http://national.suntimes.com/nationa...licy-flip-flop

    What does Donald Trump believe about Iran and Israel? Walk away from nuclear talks. Increase sanctions.
    Trump has said that the U.S. is mishandling current Iran negotiations and should have walked away from the table once Tehran reportedly rejected the idea of sending enriched uranium to Russia. He would increase sanctions on Iran. Trump has been sharply critical of the Obama administration's handling of relations with Israel and has called for a closer alliance with Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu.
    Source: PBS News Hour "2016 Candidate Stands" series , Jun 16, 2015
    http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm (Quotes on Foreign Policy)

    Trump: "Ban all Muslim travel to U.S."
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politi...n-immigration/

    Donald Trump's pledge: 'We're gonna be saying Merry Christmas' (Does he think he can control how people greet each other??)
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/21/politi...mp-iowa-rally/

    Trump: "I Don't Forgive People Who Let Me Down"
    https://grabien.com/file.php?id=62822

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    Constitutional Issues: [Rating TBD]

    1st Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[1]
    Abridging freedom of speech, or of the press...

    Trump: “One of the things I’m going to do if I win—and I hope we do, and we’re certainly leading—I’m going to open up our libel laws so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money,” Trump said. “So when the New York Times writes a hit piece, which is a total disgrace, or when the Washington Post, which is there for other reasons, writes a hit piece, we can sue them and win money instead of having no chance of winning because they’re totally protected.” (Protected by what? )
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...ibel_laws.html
    establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

    Trump: Donald Trump on Monday suggested he would "strongly consider" shutting down mosques in the U.S. as part of the response to the terror attacks in Paris.
    "Well, I would hate to do it but it's something you're going to have to strongly consider," Trump said...
    Trump said, Under the old regime we had tremendous surveillance going around and in the mosques in New York City." (anti-establishment. )
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/16/politi...ues/index.html

    2nd Amendment: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    Trump: ‘I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I also support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun,’ he said. ‘With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within seventy-two hours if a potential gun owner has a record.’”
    'The America we deserve" by Donald Trump. http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&key...l_2jo3fik6fh_p

    4th amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    Trump: "Eminent domain is an absolute necessity for a country, for our country. Without it, you wouldn’t have roads, you wouldn’t have hospitals, you wouldn’t have anything. "
    http://www.valuewalk.com/2016/02/trump-eminent-domain/
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    - Real estate magnate Donald Trump gave at least $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation while his daughter Ivanka Trump donated between $5,001 and $10,000, the Hill reported. Trump also donated to Hillary Clinton’s New York Senate campaign - http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/abc-news-...IlJIQrKuGvt.99

    - Trump has given $541,650 to federal Democratic candidates and fundraising committees going back to 1990, according to data from the Center for Responsive Politics. He's handed out money to Democratic statewide candidates as well. In 2009, for instance, Trump cut a $25,000 check to former Democratic National Committee chairman Terry McAuliffe for his unsuccessful 2009 Virginia gubernatorial bid. But as Republicans and Tea Party activists nationwide were working to take back the House and Senate in 2010, Trump was also handing out checks to top Democratic incumbents: $4,800 to Reid, $2,000 to Florida Sen. Bill Nelson and more than $8,000 total to New York's two senators, Charles Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand.

    Over the last two decades, Trump gave money to a number of high-profile Democrats and liberal icons, including Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Tom Daschle and Joe Biden. The biggest recipient of Trump's largesse? The scandal-plagued Rangel, who has taken $24,750 from Trump since the 1990 election cycle. - http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/28/trump.democrats/

    - Donald Trump predicted Wednesday night that Hillary Clinton will take one more shot at winning the White House in 2016, and declined to rule out the possibility of throwing his support behind the former presidential candidate. “Hillary Clinton, I think, is a terrific woman,” Trump said in an interview with Greta Van Susteren on Fox News. “I am biased because I have known her for years. I live in New York, she lives in New York, and I’ve known her and her husband for years and I really like them both a lot.”

    Praising the secretary of state for being a hard worker and for having done a “good job” since joining the Obama administration, Trump said he expects Clinton to run for office again.
    “I think assuming she is healthy, which I hope she will be, I think she runs after the next four years, I would imagine,” he said. - http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz3e5yzzwUv

    - Donald Trump has filed for corporate bankruptcy four times, in 1991, 1992, 2004 and 2009. All of these bankruptcies were connected to over-leveraged casino and hotel properties in Atlantic City, all of which are now operated under the banner of Trump Entertainment Resorts.Apr 29, 2011 - http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoco...-work-for-him/

    - TRUMPED: The Donald, The Widow and Eminent Domain:



    - The (Liberal) Trump Tapes: Vol. 1:

    https://youtu.be/rcUCLwWCihE
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's a balance between appeasing his supporters, appeasing the deep state and reaching his own goals.
    ~Resident Badgiraffe




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    On the day of the Kentucky caucus (March 5) a full month after Rand had suspended his campaign, these tweets were completely unnecessary:





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    I just saw this post in another thread (posted by @nikcers, originally posted by @AntiFederalist)

    Trump threatened to jump in the 2012 race as an Independent if Ron Paul won the GOP nomination

    http://www.today.com/id/45551313/ns/.../#.VuJcsvBOKK3

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    Pros:

    - At least pays lip-service to US-centric government and helping the average American.
    - Opposes globalist trade agreements (NAFTA, TPP).
    - Supports US sovereignty.
    - Calling out the media for bias and lies.
    - Supposedly anti-establishment (or better described as new establishment after hostile take-over, but a change in management nonetheless).
    - Neoconservatives hate him (enemy of my enemy scenario) and possibly less aggressive internationally than neoconservatives.

    Cons:

    - No apparent respect for Constitutional limits on power.
    - No apparent respect for rule of law, domestic or international treaty.
    - Supports big brother security state.
    - Supports torture.
    - Supports targeting and killing innocent civilians.
    - Wants to execute whistle-blowers.
    - Would force Apple to do his bidding,
    - No apparent desire for smaller government or less spending.
    - Wants to cut deals with Democrats and avoid "gridlock".
    - Hanging out with Christie and Giuliani.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    I just saw this post in another thread (posted by @nikcers, originally posted by @AntiFederalist)

    Trump threatened to jump in the 2012 race as an Independent if Ron Paul won the GOP nomination

    http://www.today.com/id/45551313/ns/.../#.VuJcsvBOKK3
    Nicely done.

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    I heard he called for 30k troops in Syria in the debate this evening.

    /Deal breaker
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I heard he called for 30k troops in Syria in the debate this evening.

    /Deal breaker
    Foreign Policy: [Rating TBD]

    Moderator Hugh Hewitt asked, "Mr. Trump, more troops?"

    Trump replied, "We really have no choice. We have to knock out ISIS. We have to knock the hell out of them, we have to get rid of it and then we have to come back hereand rebuild our country, which is falling apart."

    Hewitt asked, "How many?"

    "I would listen to the generals but I'm hearing numbers of 20,000 to 30,000. We have to knock them out fast."
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/trump-...rticle/2001505
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Pros: Not Hillary Clinton
    Cons: Donald Trump
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.

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    On foreign wars..

    O'reilly : Libya- um, the libyan action is being explained as a humanitarian issue

    "I support stopping that kind of slaughter, but the problem is where do you stop..."

    Iraq:
    "To the victor go the spoils"
    "as sure as you are sitting there Iran is going to come in and take over the oil (in Iraq), you stay and you take the oil"

    "I am the most militaristic person that you will find."


    https://youtu.be/i6G4AAI77kI?t=1344
    War; everything in the world wrong, evil and immoral combined into one and multiplied by millions.

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    Trump doesn't support your privacy!


    Trump wants supporters to "Boycott Apple" unless Apple agrees to build a custom backdoor for the FBI to unlock the password-protected iPhone connected to the San Bernardino shooter, a move that Apple argues would threaten the security and privacy of its users.[91] Trump himself still uses his iPhone to send out tweets.[92]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politi...f_Donald_Trump

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    Trump doesn't support the First Amendment and Freedom of the Press....



    Trump has said that if elected he would loosen defamation laws so that when journalists write "purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money." The Associated Press reported that this proposal is at odds with "widely held conceptions of constitutional law." The Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press and other First Amendment advocates condemned Trump's proposal.[79]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politi...f_Donald_Trump

    My comment: I agree that it's annoying when the media puts a negative spin on things (or when they ignore a candidate altogether -- ahem) but I think what Trump is advocating above would cause more harm than good. The media would stop reporting things that we need to know out of fear they will be sued. Not a good move, in my opinion.

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    More First Amendment issues:

    On the subject of Internet Security....Trump said in a December 2015 rally, "We have to see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what's happening. We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that internet up in some ways. Somebody will say, 'Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.' These are foolish people." In the December Republican debate, Donald Trump said that the internet should be shut off to countries that have a majority of their territory controlled by terrorist organizations.[111][112]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politi...f_Donald_Trump



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    From a purely objective analysis, we cannot find any overlap between Trump's worldview, positions (or lack thereof) and the Mission Statement of this site.

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    While ideals are important, the application of them is equally as important which must be secured by society and governmental bodies, which must be supported by wise individuals. These realities necessitate additional ideals and principles.

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    Anyone concerned about their well-being and the society they live in will eventually find their way to deriving viewpoints on matters of political policy. In doing so, individuals will normally identify with positions that are in their personal best interests, resolve a perceived injustice or align to views that are similar to ones espoused by a favored political leader.

    In arriving at positions there are two critical mistakes that many people often make in that they fail to apply core principles to derive their positions and they don't drill down to the root cause of issues. As a result, people fail to undercover the best position to achieve their desired end result. This mistake is unfortunately understandable since most media outlets don't focus on root causes or matters of much substance. Instead, the media often sensationalizes issues on superficial levels using appeals that cater to emotions rather than reason. Compounding the problem, individuals don't always spend time critically analyzing issues themselves since there always seems to be too much to do in ones personal life. Unfortunately, the combination of all this on a wide scale is often a recipe for disaster.

    A prime example of an overlooked root cause is the proclaimed health care crisis in the United States where many people are rightfully concerned over the exorbitant cost of health care. The root cause that many seem to be overlooking however is that the high costs are a direct result of too much government involvement and over regulation in the health care market. The over regulation of forcing the use of arbitrary standards and criteria has seriously restricted peoples ability to conduct business in the health care industry which has led to less competition and skyrocketing health care costs. In a free society, individuals would have the ability to operate health care practices, educational institutions and insurance companies on their own terms as long as they aren't being dishonest. Those in need could then choose what services are right for them even if the offering doesn't meet today's arbitrary standards. In a free society, high prices would draw in competition for more cost effective solutions which would lower the costs of health care overall. In the case of the proclaimed U.S. health care crisis the failure to drill down to the root cause of exorbitant costs has prompted the "solution" of more governmental involvement which will only drive overall costs higher while lowering the standard of care due to bureaucratic overhead and restricted choices that everyone is forced into.

    Taxes are another hot issue in which many people argue that they are a necessity and that each person needs to "pay their fair share." Common tax structures often argued include a flat tax, a "fair tax" and a sales tax, to name a few. While many people will genuinely support a taxation system that makes sense to them to fund what they see of value the application of core principles of jurisdiction and what it really means to live in a free society often get lost in the shuffle. Few ask questions like "How can one be free if they have no viable choice in paying some arbitrary tax?"

    Core liberty principles:
    • Groups of individuals can self-organize and impose rules upon themselves, but should not force the same on others.
    • You have the right to own property which you can voluntarily give or trade with others as you see fit.
    • The fruits of your labor are yours alone, unless you agree otherwise.
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    • You should not steal or destroy others property.
    • You have the right to defend your life, freedom and property.

    If this all seems like common sense then you may very well have a pro-liberty political mindset from which you can derive ideologically consistent positions on many issues by logically applying the core principles. Unfortunately it can take some time to do this since you must study the issues, filter out logical fallacies and exercise your brain by doing a great deal of critical thinking, something that no one else can do for you. Others can help you achieve truly principled consistency, members on this site will often be happy to engage you in conversation, but you must lead your own way.

    Alas, there is certainly no universal agreement on all issues, this is OK. Resolving differences is truly the point of civic engagement which one should embrace as an important element within the human experience as we develop knowledge and wisdom throughout our lifetime on this planet that we all share. In short, one should think, be thoughtful and avoid seeking a "solution" that only addresses a superficial symptom of an unseen root cause issue. As one shifts their thinking to the application of the principles of liberty one will realize that it can lead to a wonderful planet where all can flourish. The message of liberty truly brings us together.

    As you develop a pro-liberty philosophical foundation you will also have a choice to make in regards to your views: do nothing or try to make a difference in the world. The core of the community on this website have decided they want to make a difference in a meaningful way, we hope you join us on this journey.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's a balance between appeasing his supporters, appeasing the deep state and reaching his own goals.
    ~Resident Badgiraffe




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    Trump on whistle-blowers that expose illegal government action....

    “I think Snowden is a terrible threat, I think he’s a terrible traitor, and you know what we used to do in the good old days when we were a strong country — you know what we used to do to traitors, right?” Trump said, Politico reported.

    “Well, you killed them, Donald,” said fill-in host, Eric Bolling.

    Mr. Trump’s response: Well, he is damaging America.

    “This guy is really doing damage to this country, and he’s also making us look like dopes,” he said, Politico reported. “We can’t allow this guy to go out there and give out all our secrets and also embarrass us at every level. We should get him back and get him back now.”
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-kill-traitor/
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    From another thread...needs to be here:
    Quote Originally Posted by unknown View Post
    https://youtu.be/NJ9Dpm64Wo8?t=1085

    From last night's Hannity interview.

    Trump sincerely feels that police are too restrained today, "wasnt like this 15, 20 years ago".

    "They dont even wanna touch 'em... lose their pensions their jobs".

    How often are police held accountable for killing someone, let alone hurting someone?

    I couldnt tell you if they were worse 15, 20 years ago, but the police as a group are incredibly violent today and the (federal) militarization takes the issue to another level.

    What world is Trump living in?

    He's actually encouraging or endorsing police brutality...

    Based on his previous statements, in the context of running for office, he probably isn't saying how he really feels...


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    Wanted the Iraqis to pay for the US destabilizing the middle east.


    Take $1.5T in oil from Iraq to pay for US victims
    Mr. Trump said that the United States should "take" $1.5 trillion worth of oil from Iraq to pay for the cost of the war and give $1 million to each of the families that lost someone in the effort-- sparking applause from the thousands gathered for the American Conservative Union's 40th annual Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC).
    Source: 2013 Conservative Political Action Conf. in Washington Times , Mar 15, 2013
    War; everything in the world wrong, evil and immoral combined into one and multiplied by millions.

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    For preemptive war.


    Use force to stop North Korean nuke development
    [In a Trump presidency], North Korea would suddenly discover that its worthless promises of civilized behavior would cut no ice. I would let Pyongyang know in no uncertain terms that it can either get out of the nuclear arms race or expect a rebuke similar to the one Ronald Reagan delivered to Ghadhafi in 1986. I don’t think anybody is going to accuse me of tiptoeing through the issues or tap-dancing around them either. Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?
    Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.274 , Jul 2, 2000
    War; everything in the world wrong, evil and immoral combined into one and multiplied by millions.

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    Uses government to stop other people from developing their property.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-lo...ort-1450275439
    War; everything in the world wrong, evil and immoral combined into one and multiplied by millions.

  26. #23
    Wants troops stationed all over the world.

    At the same time, we must not get involved in a long-festering conflict for humanitarian reasons. If that’s our standard, we should have troops stationed all over Africa, and much of Asia as well.
    Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.141-42 , Jul 2, 2000
    War; everything in the world wrong, evil and immoral combined into one and multiplied by millions.

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    Wanted to full on invade Syria.


    If Obama had attacked Syria, we wouldn't have refugees now
    Somehow, [President Obama] just doesn't have courage. There is something missing from our president. Had he crossed the line and really gone in with force, done something to Assad--if he had gone in with tremendous force, you wouldn't have millions of people displaced all over the world. Source: 2015 Republican two-tiered primary debate on CNN , Sep 16, 2015
    War; everything in the world wrong, evil and immoral combined into one and multiplied by millions.



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    WOw cajun, Trump is worse than i thought. Ron Paul is right again

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    Deal Breaker
    Civil Liberties: [Rating F-]
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's a balance between appeasing his supporters, appeasing the deep state and reaching his own goals.
    ~Resident Badgiraffe




  32. #28
    Edward Snowden embodies everything I believe this site should stand for (exposing government corruption with a non-aggressive educational movement.) Trump wants to kill him.

    He has also expressed hostility toward other free speech issues. Trump doesn't simply oppose this site's mission, but he opposes the existence of this site altogether.
    They confronted me in the day of my calamity, but the Lord was my support.

  33. #29
    Trump’s rationale is the following: since the protests broke out, he was forced to cancel his speech, his supporters couldn’t gather therefore his (and his supporter’s) rights were violated. That maybe true. Sure, the protesters prevented Trump from giving his speech and, certainly, violence is never a good way to advocate your message. However, for Trump to complain– his free speech rights are now being violated — is a bit ironic to say the least. Over the last several weeks, it has been Mr. Trump dealing blow after blow to the First Amendment. Here are some prime examples:

    On February 17, Trump sent a cease and desist letter threatening legal action against his opponent Ted Cruz over his television ads. Trump wanted them pulled for being false. Only thing is that Cruz was actually just replaying old television clips of something Donald Trump himself actually said. “Mr. Trump’s threatened lawsuit against Senator Cruz is ridiculous, absurd, laughable. Senator Cruz’s speech is First Amendment protected as his opinion based upon the very tape contained in the advertisement,” well-known First Amendment attorney Floyd Abrams told LawNewz.com at the time. (Abrams is also the father of LawNewz.com’s founder)

    Then there is this… On February 26, Trump told a crowd of excited supporters at a Texas rally that he is going to “open up our libel laws so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money.” In other words, he wants to amend laws (which he actually can’t do as president) to make it harder for journalists (or really any bloggers) to publish anything negative about him. He apparently forgot about the landmark Supreme Court case, New York Times v. Sullivan, which based its ruling on the premise that our country has a “profound national commitment to the principle that debate on public issues should be uninhibited, robust and wide-open, and that it may well include vehement, caustic and sometimes unpleasantly sharp attacks on government and public officials.”

    Oh, and let’s not forget February 29 when things turned violent against a Time Magazine photographer who was manhandled by secret service agents at a Trump rally at Radford University in Virginia. The incident occurred, according to The Guardian, just as Trump wrapped up a speech once again taking aim at the press and free speech. “We want honesty so we’re going to get the laws changed so that the press has to be honest and if they’re not honest, if they say things that are wrong, they can be sued and they’re going to have to correct it and maybe pay penalties and maybe face something. Do you like that idea?” he told to an excited crowd. Penalties and ‘face something’ more?
    http://lawnewz.com/politics/followin...eech-advocate/
    A sense of danger gives birth to fear. And fear is the time-honored cross for the crucifixion of liberty.

  34. #30
    Technically, it is illegal to protest inside of Trump rallies

    He has said, however, that he is "going to start pressing charges" against protesters as a way to intimidate them into thinking twice about demonstrating at his rallies.

    Based on the change to H.R. 347 in 2012, he may have grounds to press for trespassing charges against any protester who walked into the rally knowing it was a restricted area, according to the ACLU.
    http://mashable.com/2016/03/13/trump.../#Cv0IfTIjqkqw
    A sense of danger gives birth to fear. And fear is the time-honored cross for the crucifixion of liberty.

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