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    Ron Paul: No difference between Trump and Clinton

    Former Republican presidential candidate and libertarian champion Ron Paul lamented the state of the 2016 race on Tuesday.

    "My biggest beef is that from a libertarian view point, there is no meaningful difference between (Hillary Clinton) and (Donald Trump). I mean they both support the military industrial complex, the federal reserve, deficits and entitlements, and and an invasion of our privacy," Paul told CNN's Carol Costello on "Newsroom." "It's super nationalistic populism versus socialism."

    Paul also likened Trump to Sanders, saying they are both "authoritarian."

    "He's a big voter for militarism, but had one vote he could brag about," Paul said describing Sanders and his vote against the Iraq War. "He's an authoritarian of a different color, but Trump is a super authoritarian."

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/01/electi...ace/index.html



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    It's quite simple to understand.

    They both support the establishment. Because only the establishment allows them to do those things they want. Neither cares to lessen the establishment and bolster individual liberty.

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    I think I need to put that in my sig line...so Trumpaloons see it every time they see a post from me.
    @phill4paul I owe you about 10 reps by now!!

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    I think there is a fundamental difference in Clinton and Trump. Clinton is a frigid, greedy, grasping moneywhore. She doesn't really live with her husband or near her daughter, even though she has the means to do so. She is corrupt and has bequeathed that corruption to her daughter. The Clinton name means get out the checkbook because we have to give them money. That's the only way a Clinton knows how to get money.

    Trump is apparently a warm family man. His five children cannot say enough good about them. They are all successful, ethical people who are building their own families and actual careers, not just taking money from people in exchange from political favors. The Trump name means something in business. People return his phone calls because he not only makes money for his business, but will strike a profitable deal with the guy at the other end of the line.

    These are two radically different kind of people. I don't like the idea of Trump as president for a lot of reasons, but I am not going to lose all sense and not look at him objectively. A businessman would necessarily be authoritarian in his approach, but I can also see that a businessmen has to compromise and learn to adapt.

    Clinton has one template. Trump has a wide experience and probably a few tools in the toolbox we have not seen yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    It's quite simple to understand.

    They both support the establishment. Because only the establishment allows them to do those things they want. Neither cares to lessen the establishment and bolster individual liberty.
    Yep. There was a time, not so long ago, when the democrats put forth a candidate that was considered to be "anti-establishment" because he fought the party hierarchy. The "establishment" went after him and tried to tear him down. But other people in that same establishment supported that candidate and gave him tons of air time. Some even gave him political backing. Eventually, that "anti-establishment" candidate won his election, then his re-election.

    I wonder how many of these Trump supporters still think Obama is anti-establishment?
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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    Actually if you listen to this you would know Hillary is evil, it is embedded in the core of her soul.
    Defending a rapist of a 12 year old girl.
    Et cognoscetis veritatem et veritas liberabit vos

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    I think there is a fundamental difference in Clinton and Trump. Clinton is a frigid, greedy, grasping moneywhore. She doesn't really live with her husband or near her daughter, even though she has the means to do so. She is corrupt and has bequeathed that corruption to her daughter. The Clinton name means get out the checkbook because we have to give them money. That's the only way a Clinton knows how to get money.

    Trump is apparently a warm family man. His five children cannot say enough good about them. They are all successful, ethical people who are building their own families and actual careers, not just taking money from people in exchange from political favors. The Trump name means something in business. People return his phone calls because he not only makes money for his business, but will strike a profitable deal with the guy at the other end of the line.

    These are two radically different kind of people. I don't like the idea of Trump as president for a lot of reasons, but I am not going to lose all sense and not look at him objectively. A businessman would necessarily be authoritarian in his approach, but I can also see that a businessmen has to compromise and learn to adapt.

    Clinton has one template. Trump has a wide experience and probably a few tools in the toolbox we have not seen yet.
    The only comparison that matters to voters where Trump and Clinton are concerned is how they would govern. Where that's concerned, I see no difference and neither does Ron Paul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    The Trump name means something in business.
    It means that he is willing to use force of government to take what he wants. Go ask Vera Coking what she thinks of Trump.

    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Trump has a wide experience and probably a few tools in the toolbox we have not seen yet.
    And some that we already have like his stance on Kelo, the government theft of private property.

    “I happen to agree with it 100 percent,” he told Fox News’s Neil Cavuto of the Kelo decision.
    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ert-verbruggen
    Last edited by phill4paul; 03-10-2016 at 09:18 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    The only comparison that matters to voters where Trump and Clinton are concerned is how they would govern. Where that's concerned, I see no difference and neither does Ron Paul.
    Maybe you are right. We don't really know the answer to that because we haven't elected anyone yet. Either way, we have to trust Congress to equalize the balance of power.

    Authoritarian has gotten to be the new buzz word these days. If what we have now is authoritarian, it will take more than a change in president to give us a different government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    The only comparison that matters to voters where Trump and Clinton are concerned is how they would govern. Where that's concerned, I see no difference and neither does Ron Paul.
    If only that were true. It certainly should be.
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    I just think it is a big mistake not to look at candidates objectively. As much respect as I have for Ron Paul, I have to look at each candidate and make a decision based on what I see and hear. I can't make a decision based on what someone else says. I don't know who Ron thinks we should be voting for, and are there even enough of us to make a difference? My state and local parties have been derelict in their duties. They do not have any new candidates on the ballot at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    I just think it is a big mistake not to look at candidates objectively. As much respect as I have for Ron Paul, I have to look at each candidate and make a decision based on what I see and hear. I can't make a decision based on what someone else says. I don't know who Ron thinks we should be voting for, and are there even enough of us to make a difference? My state and local parties have been derelict in their duties. They do not have any new candidates on the ballot at all.
    Ron would say to vote for a third party candidate. He has in the past when it came to two establishment candidates. If you do not have that option then I would suggest writing in a protest vote. If you do not have that option then I would suggest not voting in the presidential election. Voting establishmentarian/authoritarian only increases the seize of government while curtailing individual liberties. If these establishment/authoritarians see that they have a large backing they say that they have a "mandate" from the people to go ahead about their business of increasing government and curtailing liberty. You can't hope to "win" by supporting them as the "lesser of evil." You can only do that by not encouraging or supporting them.

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    Which one? I don't think any of them will make a difference, and they sure won't if they don't get elected.
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    Im a doctor. Thats a baby.~~~Dr. Manny Sethi

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    Ron is not going to tell you how to vote.
    I dont think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president, he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. Hes the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    If only that were true. It certainly should be.
    Yeah, I should have said "should matter to voters." If only.



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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    Ron is not going to tell you how to vote.
    So why is he yapping about Trump? Romney already told us how bad the guy is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Which one? I don't think any of them will make a difference, and they sure won't if they don't get elected.
    Many to choose from, Green Party, Reform Party, Libertarians, Constitution Party and Natural Law Party to name a few, so as you said...

    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    I have to look at each candidate and make a decision based on what I see and hear.
    The point is not to give support to establishment/authoritarian candidates. Do not give them a hint of it so that they will consider it a mandate to enact measures that expand government. It's not about who get's elected. We know that either a Dem or a Rep will be elected this cycle. What needs to happen is an erosion of support from the two-party circus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    So why is he yapping about Trump? Romney already told us how bad the guy is.
    Neg. rep. Ron doesn't "yap." He teaches. Perhaps you should pay heed.

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    Those parties have their own agendas. In my opinion, based on hearing candidates in 2008, they are offshoots of mainline political parties. I don't really know what they are like now, but I don't see party politics of any kind getting better. The nature of groups is for them to develop their own pecking orders and create an establishment. That's just how it goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Neg. rep. Ron doesn't "yap." He teaches. Perhaps you should pay heed.
    I did. Quite a few FRNs. I was expecting results, not sermons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    I did. Quite a few FRNs. I was expecting results, not sermons.
    Sorry you have buyers remorse.

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    Have you seen them both in the shower, Dr. Paul?
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Trump is apparently a warm family man.
    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    I just think it is a big mistake not to look at candidates objectively.
    I do too. So, let's hear from someone who actually does, shall we...?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Rock
    He might win. He’s got enough ex-wives to vote for him.
    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    His five children cannot say enough good about them.
    Quote Originally Posted by New York Magazine
    Don launches into a good-natured semi-rant about the rest of the film’s subjects, most of whom he knows. “I couldn’t believe it,” he says, his voice rising an octave. “I was like, ‘Do you hear the words that are coming out of your mouth? Are you out of your mind?’ Their parents gave them anything they could have ever wanted. And they hate their parents! I’m not close with any of them, but it’s very one-degree-of-separation.”
    Last edited by acptulsa; 03-11-2016 at 12:34 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Define Terrorist please.

    According to, well, pretty much both political parties, the other party is now guilty of Terrorism.
    Listening to the mainstream media is like standing under a power line when the birds are migrating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Yep. There was a time, not so long ago, when the democrats put forth a candidate that was considered to be "anti-establishment" because he fought the party hierarchy. The "establishment" went after him and tried to tear him down. But other people in that same establishment supported that candidate and gave him tons of air time. Some even gave him political backing. Eventually, that "anti-establishment" candidate won his election, then his re-election.

    I wonder how many of these Trump supporters still think Obama is anti-establishment?
    Cool story, bro. Only needed to rewrite history completely to make it up.

    The level of desperation with which people are attacking Trump is truly remarkable. Battered Serf Syndrome has really decimated RPF.

    Why don't you post some Trump-as-Hitler pictures, they should make you feel better about yourself.

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    There's a huge difference between Trump and Clinton.

    Trump has spent untold amounts of money trying to get Clinton elected. More than once. To both the Senate and the White House.

    And even though his campaign is doing her the huge favor of handing her an election no Democrat should ever be able to win, she just never gives him any money at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by thoughtomator View Post
    [spewed vitriol]
    Decided now that the last vestiges of comity have disappeared from American electoral politics, it's time for you to begin positioning yourself for office?
    Last edited by acptulsa; 03-11-2016 at 12:08 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Define Terrorist please.

    According to, well, pretty much both political parties, the other party is now guilty of Terrorism.
    Listening to the mainstream media is like standing under a power line when the birds are migrating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thoughtomator View Post

    Why don't you post some Trump-as-Hitler pictures, they should make you feel better about yourself.
    Doesn't favor Hitler at all in principle or appearance. More like Mussolini.

    Last edited by phill4paul; 03-11-2016 at 12:18 PM.

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