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Thread: Raw science actually supports Antivaxxers: vaccines utterly DESTROY cellular immunity

  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post

    Excellent article. Dr. Judy has courage!
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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    If we are sicker and vaccines have destroyed all our immunity, how does one explain this? We should be dying faster- not living longer.
    Keep in mind, anything to the right of 1938 or so is pure conjecture. Unless you believe there is hard data that someone born in 1995 has already lived to be 78.



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    Yes. Theoretically there could be people living longer or shorter lives. There are over seven billion on the planet who have never died. Will they live forever? We don't know yet. But we don't have to go back that far. People born in 1955 have already lived as long as the average person who died that year- and are still going.

    Do you have evidence that they are dying sooner than they were in 1955?
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 03-06-2016 at 06:40 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
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  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Link from the article in the OP which claims vaccines "destroy" immunity: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/4...sive-diseases/



    It does not say that vaccines don't work or that they harm but that there are some diseases for which vaccines won't work. There is no claim that vaccines prevent all diseases. It proposes using T- cell based vaccines to fight them. It says absolutely nothing about vaccines harming people in any way.
    It absolutely does not say that vaccines destroy cellular immunity....but by God, they won't let facts get in the way of their chattering, will they?
    *******

    I didn't start out thinking that anti-vax people were fools or impervious to reason, it's from my experience here that I now think that.
    - AmyPi 2014 (RIP)

    Anti-vaxxers, responsible for a 30 percent uptick in totally preventable diseases in the world, have blood on their hands. They shouldn't be considered civilized members of society. If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.

  7. #35
    "What people don't know about vaccines --what most doctors don't know-- but well demonstrated in medical literature, is that vaccines shift your immune system to an immune suppression type of state called the "TH2 shift." That's what most vaccines do. They shift your immune system to a weaker, antibody type immune system... If you're injecting people with so many vaccines that your keeping them in this constant state --that now your switching everyone to this TH2 immune suppression-- then everyone becomes more susceptible [to infectious diseases]... and no one is talking about that. Now, a lot of scientists know that, but they are afraid to speak out because their careers would be ruined." ~ Dr. Russell Blaylock, MD

    "According to the records of the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company, from 1911 to 1935 the four leading causes of childhood deaths from infectious diseases in the U.S.A. were diptheria, pertussis, scarlet fever, and measles. However, by 1945 the combined death rates from these causes had declined by 95% before the implementation of mass vaccine programs." ~ Dr. Harold Buttram, MD

    “We are taught by the authorities that vaccines protect us against eventual aggressive viruses and microbes, and, therefore, prevent contagious illnesses and epidemics. This lie has been perpetuated for 150 years despite the ineffectiveness of vaccines in protecting against illnesses.” ~ Dr. Guylaine Lanctot, MD

    “Belief in immunization is a form of delusional insanity.” ~ Dr Herbert Shelton, MD
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  8. #36
    Your projection is unparalleled.
    In case you've forgotten, this is how you invited discussion on the topic:


    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    How do you tell when anti-vaxxers are lying? Their lips are moving.
    I would very much like you to offer a description of what you believe an "anti-vaxxer" is, and what you would accept as evidence since you have already stated repeatedly that you will not accept anything offered by an "anti-vaxxer".

    You have already been offered much more respect and patience than you have asked for.
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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    "What people don't know about vaccines --what most doctors don't know-- but well demonstrated in medical literature, is that vaccines shift your immune system to an immune suppression type of state called the "TH2 shift." That's what most vaccines do. They shift your immune system to a weaker, antibody type immune system... If you're injecting people with so many vaccines that your keeping them in this constant state --that now your switching everyone to this TH2 immune suppression-- then everyone becomes more susceptible [to infectious diseases]... and no one is talking about that. Now, a lot of scientists know that, but they are afraid to speak out because their careers would be ruined." ~ Dr. Russell Blaylock, MD

    "According to the records of the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company, from 1911 to 1935 the four leading causes of childhood deaths from infectious diseases in the U.S.A. were diptheria, pertussis, scarlet fever, and measles. However, by 1945 the combined death rates from these causes had declined by 95% before the implementation of mass vaccine programs." ~ Dr. Harold Buttram, MD

    “We are taught by the authorities that vaccines protect us against eventual aggressive viruses and microbes, and, therefore, prevent contagious illnesses and epidemics. This lie has been perpetuated for 150 years despite the ineffectiveness of vaccines in protecting against illnesses.” ~ Dr. Guylaine Lanctot, MD

    “Belief in immunization is a form of delusional insanity.” ~ Dr Herbert Shelton, MD
    The "TH2 shift" happens with any sort of infection- and is temporary. It is not unique to vaccines and does not "shift your body into a constant state" of it- unless you are constantly getting infected. http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/diagnosis/cheneyis.html
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
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  10. #38
    In an attempt to explain to people how the immune system functions as a result of repeated vaccinations, Dr. Philip Incao has described the immune system as follows:

    It is composed of two functional branches or compartments that may work together in a mutually cooperative way or in a mutually antagonistic way depending on the health of the individual. One branch is the humoral immune system (or Th2 function), which primarily produces antibodies in the blood circulation as a sensing or recognizing function of the immune system to the presence of foreign antigens in the body. The other branch is the cellular or cell-mediated immune system (or Th1 function), which primarily destroys, digests and expels foreign antigens out of the body through the activity of its cells found in the thymus, tonsils, adenoids, spleen, lymph nodes and lymph system throughout the body. This process of destroying, digesting and discharging foreign antigens from the body is known as the acute inflammatory response and is often accompanied by the classic signs of inflammation: fever, pain, malaise and discharge of mucus, pus, skin rash or diarrhea.

    These two functional branches of the immune system may be compared to the two functions in eating: tasting and recognizing the food on the one hand, and digesting the food and eliminating the food waste on the other hand. In the same way, the humoral or Th2 branch of the immune system "tastes" and recognizes and even remembers foreign antigens and the cellular or Th1 branch of the immune system digests and eliminates the foreign antigens from the body. But just as too much repeated tasting of food will ruin the appetite, so also too much repeated stimulation of the "tasting" humoral immune system by an antigen will inhibit and suppress the digesting and eliminating function of the cellular immune system. In other words, over stimulating antibody production can suppress the acute inflammatory response of the cellular immune system.

    This explains the polar opposite relationship between acute discharging inflammations on the one hand and allergies and autoimmune inflammations on the other hand. The more a person has of one, the less he or she will have of the other. A growing number of scientists believe that the increase in America, Europe, Australia and Japan in allergic and autoimmune diseases (which stimulate the humoral or Th2 branch of the immune system) is caused by the lack of stimulation of the cellular or the Th1 branch of the immune system from the lack of acute inflammatory responses and discharges in childhood. We need to identify the factors which cause this shift in the function of the immune system or which cause allergies and autoimmune diseases in childhood to increase.

    If we now return to the original question of the mechanism of action of vaccinations, we find what I believe is the key to the puzzle. A vaccination consists of introducing a disease agent or disease antigen into an individual’s body without causing the disease. If the disease agent provoked the whole immune system into action it would cause all the symptoms of the disease. The symptoms of a disease are primarily the symptoms (fever, pain, malaise, loss of function) of the acute inflammatory response to the disease.

    So the trick of a vaccination is to stimulate the immune system just enough so that it makes antibodies and "remembers" the disease antigen but not so much that it provokes an acute inflammatory response by the cellular immune system and makes us sick with the disease we’re trying to prevent. Thus a vaccination works by stimulating very much the antibody production (Th2) and by stimulating very little or not at all the digesting and discharging function of the cellular immune system (Th1). Vaccine antigens are designed to be unprovocative or "indigestible" for the cellular immune system (Th1) and highly stimulating for the antibody-mediated humoral immune system (Th2).

    Perhaps it is not difficult to see then why the repeated use of vaccinations would tend to shift the functional balance of the immune system toward the antibody-producing side (Th2) and away from the acute inflammatory discharging side (the cell-mediated side or Th1). This has been confirmed by observation especially in the case of Gulf War Illness: MOST VACCINATIONS CAUSE a SHIFT in IMMUNE FUNCTION from the Th1 side (acute inflammatory discharging response) TO the Th2 side (CHRONIC AUTO-IMMUNE or ALLERGIC RESPONSE).

    The outcome of this line of thought is that, contrary to previous belief; vaccinations do not strengthen or "boost" the whole immune system. Instead vaccinations over stimulate the "tasting and remembering" function of the antibody-mediated branch of the immune system (Th2), which simultaneously suppresses the cellular immune system (Th1) thus "preventing" the disease in question.

    WHAT in reality IS PREVENTED IS NOT the DISEASE BUT the ABILITY of our CELLULAR IMMUNE SYSTEM to MANIFEST, to RESPOND to and to OVERCOME the DISEASE!

    There is no system of the human being, from mind to muscles to immune system, which gets stronger through avoiding challenges, but only through overcoming challenges. (END QUOTE)

    Dr. Russell Blaylock has added his insight into the debilitating effects of over vaccinating, claiming it causes:

    A highly stressed immune system unable to combat infections and cancer
    The accumulation of free radicals in the body, which can cause "bystander injuries" and immune system dysfunction
    Advanced aging and general debilitation
    The onset of Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s disease, which are now afflicting Americans at ever younger ages
    http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20060801.htm
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  11. #39
    On the political side of vaccines, there are some very questionable situations. Let me take a look at a few things that bother me.

    Why do we have special Vaccine Courts if vaccines are perfectly safe? It seems that only a small percentage of people will have severe adverse reactions. However, it appears to me that what they are trying to do is claim levels of absurdity by refusing to acknowledge that any form of reaction that people have doesnt exist. Its like discrediting anyone with a shellfish or nut allergy, or gluten intolerance does not exist what so ever. The science for the people that do have true allergies wont be able to advance until the existing problems are addressed. Hospitals themselves are not perfectly safe. There is some acknowledgement of this. But the flat out refusal to even consider things like dirty needles or other possible sources says to me a number of things. There are demands for blind obedience and blind trust. There is a demand to not question any figures of authority. There are monetary incentives. There are political incentives. Too many questionable details exist to simply refuse to do any science what so ever. We can have "bad batches" of food that are contaminated with salmonella. Is it really so hard to believe that a vaccine could also have something else wrong with it that was not by design? The flat out refusal of our leaders to acknowledge any of it shows to me that the real threat is a severe case of mental illness by those at the very top. Its called Denial, and it is self reinforcing delusion.

    Why are the people that run the US Treasury previous or future employees of Goldman Sachs? Why are the people at the top of the FCC typically previous or future employees of mega tech firms? Would most rational people consider this to be a possible conflict of interest? When we apply the same philosophy to the FDA and find the same pattern, where the heads of the FDA are future or previous employees of Monsanto, we think that somehow is "just fine"? Why would Aspartame be denied license for years, then rubber stamped through during a change of administration? The motivations of mega corporations is to make money. The way they do this can be both completely legal and moral, or have some very questionable motives behind their decisions. Exploiting the legal system to prohibit competition is one that is used quite frequently. But what happens when regulators are expected to classify something perfectly safe based on political motivations instead of issues that relate to safety? Is this not how Marijuana continues to be classified as the only Schedule 1 substance, making it more harmful that crack cocaine, heroin, or meth? Does the Prison Industrial Complex not financially profit by housing more and more non violent criminals? Why does this same pattern of corruption continue to not be applied to the FDA? Why are so many other countries banning Monsanto products and GMO foods completely, yet, we continue to have a repeated and predictable pattern of abuse by the administrators? Are we allowed to vote on who is in charge of the FDA? Do our representative really represent the best interests of the people for the representatives that vote on who gets into what position of power? How is it that Congress can have single digit approval ratings, yet, we actually expect them to put people in high positions of power, like the FCC or FDA that wont benefit those companies to be regulated? Ever heard of the Fox watching the Hen House? How many times have large companies tried to refuse to take responsibility when things go wrong? How many times have we needed Class Action Lawsuits to make giant corporations fix issues in cars? How many recalls on both food and cars have we had? How many other problems have been lesser problems that have slipped through the cracks and people were unable to receive just compensation for shoddy workmanship? Why are big drug companies not interested in being able to treat legitimate illnesses with other lesser illnesses based solely on how much they can charge for a treatment? Why are only expensive treatments discovered and more cost effective solutions not sought after? How can we supposedly be the best country in the world and have the worst and most expensive health care? Why do we see financial incentive after financial incentive to avoid taking any sort of responsibility for problems caused? How do we have DNA testers for murder cases that dont care about their jobs and send innocent men to jail so they can be star employees? How can a Cop claim innocence for shooting someone that is presenting no apparent danger to the life of the Cop? If the regulations that govern vaccines were just as messed up as the rest of our country, how can anyone have a very high degree of confidence in the safety of our medicine and such a low degree of confidence in every other aspect at every level of our government?

    These are the questions that come to my mind before even looking at the science. This isnt about the science, for me, it is and has always started with a total lack of Political Trust. When that happens, I believe I must start to question the science.

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  12. #40
    The outcome of this line of thought is that, contrary to previous belief; vaccinations do not strengthen or "boost" the whole immune system.

    Nobody has claimed otherwise. Vaccines only increase protection against the disease they are designed for.
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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Nobody has claimed otherwise. Vaccines only increase protection against the disease they are designed for.

    The premise of vaccines does and did when clean vaccine were used. Not today. Too many toxic ingredients are in these vaccines in an already toxic environment and too many are given to children whose brains are still developing.
    Last edited by donnay; 03-07-2016 at 08:03 PM.
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  15. #42
    Repeal The 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act
    https://thenhf.com/wp-content/upload...Injury-Act.pdf
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  16. #43

    Flu vaccine induced immune deficiency

    There is evidence that being poisoned yearly with the advised flu vaccines results in lower antibody responses - immune deficiency.
    The more influenza vaccinations you get poisoned with in your lifetime, the less your immune system can fight the flu virus in subsequent seasons.

    After the 2009 “flu epidemic”, the Canadian flu surveillance network reported that Canadians who had received a flu shot in late 2008 were between 1.4 and 2.5 times more likely to suffer from an adverse reaction from an H1N1 infection that required medical attention, compared with those who didn't get a shot.

    In 2016, Skowronski published a report that people, who were consecutively vaccinated in 2012, 2013 and 2014, have a higher risk of being infected with the flu.

    Big pharma supporting “doctors” maintain that people should take their flu shot - especially seniors, children younger than two and people suffering from chronic medical conditions (like immune deficiency?): https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/serial-fl ... -1.3147903
    (archived here: http://archive.is/1afvT)


    A study was done to track how prior vaccination affects immune responses in 141 expectant mothers - 91 were poisoned with a flu shot the previous year, 50 were not.
    They found that women, who hadn't received a flu shot in the previous year, had better immune responses to the vaccine.

    They also claim that their results “suggest it does not meaningfully affect protection in their babies”.
    This really is an amazing conclusion. They found that the vaccines cause immune deficiency, but concluded that the babies were still protected just as well by the antibodies that they received from their mother...

    According to the big pharma supporting “scientists” that published these results, there can’t be any reason to not take flu shots: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 101718.htm


    In the following study, 115 children (6–15 years) were injected with the trivalent inactivated influenza vaccine (TIV) or placebo on average they were followed for some 272 days (unlike the couple of days in “normal” vaccine trials…).

    There was no statistically significant difference in the rate of respiratory illness (ARI or FARI) or confirmed seasonal influenza between subjects injected with TIV and those who received placebo, but TIV recipients did have a significantly lower risk of seasonal influenza infection based on serologic evidence…

    TIV recipients had an enormous increased rate of virologically-confirmed non-influenza infections (390) compared to the subjects that got placebo (88) - a 340% increase in the rate of non-influenza infections.

    Benjamin J. Cowling et al – Increased Risk of Noninfluenza Respiratory Virus Infections Associated With Receipt of Inactivated Influenza Vaccine (2012): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3404712/
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