Who will be your Vote for President?

[TommyJeff]

I have seen some people say they are going to write in Ron's name (I'm in that group), others are writing in Rand's name. Might it be a good idea if people on this forum were to agree to one or the other and offer a larger total number for the one person rather than a split between the two? I realize the number will be small anyway and possibly meaningless, but it can't hurt any to have such a joint vote.

who will you be voting for in the fall (or your primary)?

[Origanalist]

I am firmly in the camp of Vermin Supreme.

[Theocrat]

I will be voting for a third-party candidate, as usual. Not only do I believe in free markets in terms of distribution of goods and services, I also believe in a free market for political choices of candidates.

[jbauer]

Tossed between voting for trump and giving the GOP a big middle finger while doing so or voting third party.

[69360]

Cruz in the primary.

If Trump v. Clinton will vote for LP nominee.

If any GOP besides Trump v. Clinton will for for GOP nominee.

If Trump v. Sanders will vote Sanders.

[Suzanimal]

I am firmly in the camp of Vermin Supreme.

If it's a nice day I'll vote for Vermin, if not I'll just stay home.

[P3ter_Griffin]

Voter ID law got through the courts in WI so unless I can find a non-state-issued ID they will except I can't vote.

[erowe1]

Let's do our part to make voter turnout as low as possible.

[TheTexan]

I know who I am voting for but I will continue watching the debates just to be sure.

[Dianne]

It's really too early for me to say. Right now, I believe I will write in Ron Paul. However, the thought of Trump and sticking the middle finger to the corrupt elites in the GOP is somewhat tempting. Tonight they will all be going at Trump, and I'm predicting Jeb Bush will propel to the top three. After all, that is the Bilderburg Group plan, Bush versus Clinton.

[TommyJeff]

Cruz in the primary.

If Trump v. Clinton will vote for LP nominee.

If any GOP besides Trump v. Clinton will for for GOP nominee.

If Trump v. Sanders will vote Sanders.

intersting. Is your vote for Sanders over Trump to hope for a collapse???

[Rudeman]

I will probably vote GOP solely because of the SC but I can't say I'll do so happily. I reserve the right to change my mind.

[euphemia]

It is way too early to say. I will vote in the primary on Super Tuesday. It's a primary to elect a candidate. Once we get past that, I will make a decision about what to do in November.

[TommyJeff]

I also believe in a free market for political choices of candidates.

how does this relate to a 3rd party vote?

[69360]

intersting. Is your vote for Sanders over Trump to hope for a collapse???

No, I think Trump is a dick.

Nothing would collapse with Sanders as potus. Yes, he's a socialist wants to steal my money. But he would never get socialist policy past congress. It would just be 4 years of gridlock.

Trump on the other hand as CIC of the most powerful military in the world very well could have a hissy fit or a twitter fight and get people killed.

[Working Poor]

I don't know who I will vote for I have been disenfranchised. I probably would vote against Clinton though.

[K466]

Let's do our part to make voter turnout as low as possible.

^^This.

Don't vote, it just encourages the bastards.

Chance of affecting outcome: 0%
Chance of wasting your time: 100%

Only an exceptional candidate - with a strong anti-government, pro-market message and a credible campaign able to win -could inspire me to vote out of the mere satisfaction it would bring and the inkling of support it would give him. Ron Paul was the last one I voted for and I see no more voting on the horizon.

[misterx]

I wonder if the DNC has plants in conservative circles encouraging people to fight the system by not voting. It would be a great tactic. If they could convince just 1% of potential Republican voters that it's a smart strategy they would drastically improve their chances of winning.

[Theocrat]

how does this relate to a 3rd party vote?

It relates because I believe in supporting other parties besides the duopoly we have with Republicans and Democrats. We need more parties, and therefore, more choices to compete for the votes of Americans. Ideologically, the Constitution Party is closest to my principles.

[ShaneEnochs]

Sanders if he gets the nomination. Trump if it's Hillary vs Trump. Hillary if it's Hillary vs Cruz.

[misterx]

Sanders if he gets the nomination. Trump if it's Hillary vs Trump. Hillary if it's Hillary vs Cruz.

I don't understand your thought process here? It seems so inconsistent. Are you just flipping a coin for each match up?

[ShaneEnochs]

I don't understand your thought process here? It seems so inconsistent. Are you just flipping a coin for each match up?

What? No... I want Sanders as president, so I'll vote for him in the primaries and hopefully the general. I dislike Hillary, and the establishment at large, so if it's Hillary vs Trump, I'll vote for Trump. However, I hate Cruz more than I've ever hated anyone, so I'd rather swallow the Hillary pill than ever vote for him.

[misterx]

What? No... I want Sanders as president, so I'll vote for him in the primaries and hopefully the general. I dislike Hillary, and the establishment at large, so if it's Hillary vs Trump, I'll vote for Trump. However, I hate Cruz more than I've ever hated anyone, so I'd rather swallow the Hillary pill than ever vote for him.

What exactly are your core beliefs if I may ask? I assume you like the Pauls since you are here. What is it you like about them, and what do you like about Sanders? Do you just like whoever is not part of the system regardless of principles?

[ShaneEnochs]

What exactly are your core beliefs if I may ask? I assume you like the Pauls since you are here. What is it you like about them, and what do you like about Sanders? Do you just like whoever is not part of the system regardless of principles?

One of the main things that attracted me to Ron Paul were his antiwar policies. I'm not totally anti-interventionalist like most folks here, but all the Republicans were way too $#@!ing war hungry for me in 2012. RP also seemed very genuine in a field full of snakes. I liked that as well. Plus the whole anti-establishment thing is great.

I am a liberal though. I believe in tuition free public colleges in the same way that we do K-12. I believe in tax-funded, cost regulated healthcare. I believe in a women's right to choose. Pretty much all the liberal biggest hits, really.

One of my biggest values, though, is trust. If I don't trust you, it's very unlikely that I'll vote for you. I don't trust Hillary. I definitely don't trust Cruz, and I genuinely believe him to be a crazy person. As far as Trump is concerned, I think he's a moderate that is wrapping himself in Republican craziness. I don't think his policies would be too far from me, and his more crazy notions (like building a wall and making another country pay for it) is a non starter so I'm not terribly worried about that. I'd vote for him to just stick it to Hillary.

[misterx]

One of the main things that attracted me to Ron Paul were his antiwar policies. I'm not totally anti-interventionalist like most folks here, but all the Republicans were way too $#@!ing war hungry for me in 2012. RP also seemed very genuine in a field full of snakes. I liked that as well. Plus the whole anti-establishment thing is great.

I am a liberal though. I believe in tuition free public colleges in the same way that we do K-12. I believe in tax-funded, cost regulated healthcare. I believe in a women's right to choose. Pretty much all the liberal biggest hits, really.

One of my biggest values, though, is trust. If I don't trust you, it's very unlikely that I'll vote for you. I don't trust Hillary. I definitely don't trust Cruz, and I genuinely believe him to be a crazy person. As far as Trump is concerned, I think he's a moderate that is wrapping himself in Republican craziness. I don't think his policies would be too far from me, and his more crazy notions (like building a wall and making another country pay for it) is a non starter so I'm not terribly worried about that. I'd vote for him to just stick it to Hillary.

Ok, that makes sense I guess. I think you're totally wrong, but if you buy into those liberal utopian arguments then your choices make sense.

[ShaneEnochs]

Ok, that makes sense I guess. I think you're totally wrong, but if you buy into those liberal utopian arguments then your choices make sense.

See, it's backhanded arguments like that that really gets me. Since 2012 I've gotten a job making just over six figures which has allowed me to travel the world. I was talking about this in another thread, but my wife and I spent a couple weeks in Sweden and they have these "liberal utopian" programs that I'm talking about. They think that we are backward as $#@! because we are the only ones lagging behind. They see education and healthcare the way we see freedom of speech. It's a right of their citizens.

There's no runaway inflation or anything over there. Except for meat products, most groceries are comparible in price with food in the US. They have faster, cheaper Internet. Rent was about the same. They get 25 days of paid vacation (I only get 14, and many in the US get 0). They don't have minimum wages, but they have collective bargaining for each sector so they get paid very well, much more than any minimum wage worker in the US makes. Even though their taxes are a little higher, they still have way more disposable income than the majority of Americans. It was a fantastic experience and I'd encourage you to go check it out yourself if you ever get a chance.

Saying things like these are just pie in the sky pipe dreams of "lazy people just wanting free stuff" is kind of ignorant when we have real world examples of these types of programs working very well.

[Luieburger]

Why is there no option for "Voting for the GOP nominee" ??

That's where my vote is going. Can't risk having another progressive justice on the bench.

[misterx]

See, it's backhanded arguments like that that really gets me. Since 2012 I've gotten a job making just over six figures which has allowed me to travel the world. I was talking about this in another thread, but my wife and I spent a couple weeks in Sweden and they have these "liberal utopian" programs that I'm talking about. They think that we are backward as $#@! because we are the only ones lagging behind. They see education and healthcare the way we see freedom of speech. It's a right of their citizens.

There's no runaway inflation or anything over there. Except for meat products, most groceries are comparible in price with food in the US. They have faster, cheaper Internet. Rent was about the same. They get 25 days of paid vacation (I only get 14, and many in the US get 0). They don't have minimum wages, but they have collective bargaining for each sector so they get paid very well, much more than any minimum wage worker in the US makes. Even though their taxes are a little higher, they still have way more disposable income than the majority of Americans. It was a fantastic experience and I'd encourage you to go check it out yourself if you ever get a chance.

Saying things like these are just pie in the sky pipe dreams of "lazy people just wanting free stuff" is kind of ignorant when we have real world examples of these types of programs working very well.

Sorry you took it that way, I didn't mean it to be backhanded. I used to believe in all that stuff too.

Sweden's liberal utopia is crashing hard, and a lot of their citizens are reconsidering. Rent really isn't the same in Sweden unless you live in California, DC, or New York. Most of them live in smaller homes, drive one car or no car at all, they do not have the same expendable income that the American middle class has, and the American middle class has been shrinking since the 1970s because of socialist policies. Most people don't know this, but America is actually more socialist now than Sweden. Despite their reputation, they are more liberal socially than fiscally, they have not abandoned capitalism.

http://freakonomics.com/2010/05/who-...tes-or-sweden/

[nikcers]

Saying things like these are just pie in the sky pipe dreams of "lazy people just wanting free stuff" is kind of ignorant when we have real world examples of these types of programs working very well.

If you are having trouble understanding why socialism is antithetical to American values please watch . The Perfect Soda

[ShaneEnochs]

The link you provided did not support your argument. It says that the United States spends more on welfare with less success than Sweden, and that the poor in Sweden are far better off than the poor in the United States.

The American middle class has been shrinking because we've once again taken the power out of the hands of the workers. Unions allowed workers to collectively bargain for much higher wages and benefits. I'm in a union myself and I make probably more than any blue collar non union worker in my state. Now, my healthcare premiums and deductible is $#@!ing out of control because Obamacare, but our middleman system of healthcare is stupid anyway.

You're right about the cars, but many many people prefer bikes. Sweden is extremely clean and the air is fresh. Plus distances aren't anything like those in the US. When we were there, we walked everywhere because everything was in walking distance. We took a cab twice, to and from the airport. Other than that, travel didn't require a vehicle.

Houses were pretty small as well but that has more to do with space than money.