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Thread: Grass-Fed Meat vs Grain-Fed Meat: Real information, not Zippy's version.

  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    That's just something you have to get through once.
    I can still remember the first fish I smacked on the head and then gutted. I don't remember the ones after that.

    It's actually quite nice if you're conscious of where your food comes from. Does make you not eat certain things though. At least for me.
    Oh, have no problem killing fish. I don't have a problem seeing an animal killed or butchered, either. I just don't want to look it in the eyes or pet it before I eat it.
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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Oh, have no problem killing fish. I don't have a problem seeing an animal killed or butchered, either. I just don't want to look it in the eyes or pet it before I eat it.
    Giving your cow a name like tbone helps

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    I don't think you know what your talking about. We are not multi-gastric and aren't designed to break down the cellulose in grass to get out the nutriments. Cows on the other hand, can.
    I'll ask again, grass are the only plants that have Omega 3's?

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    Giving your cow a name like tbone helps
    My aunt had some turkeys she named Thanksgiving and Christmas.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    The omega 3 in flax is not the same as in meat sources, it is ALA, not DHA or EPA. Our body has to convert the ALA to DHA and EPA to use it and we are very inefficient in that conversion process.
    How do cows get DHA or EPA?

    IIRC, men in particular can't convert ALA as well as women.
    Doesn't seem to matter:

    "Men benefited more than women from the vegetarian diet."
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...hed-in-JAMA%29

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    I pay extra not to meet my food.
    That's your prerogative......

    Might I suggest never even driving by a commercial slaughter house or meeting their employees.....

    Clear cellophane tells a tale to those who know.....

  9. #37
    I'm starting to think Ferrari hates meat. And I'm picturing Ferrari as girl for some reason - that wasn't meant as an insult, btw. I just read her posts in my girl voice.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    That's your prerogative......

    Might I suggest never even driving by a commercial slaughter house or meeting their employees.....

    Clear cellophane tells a tale to those who know.....
    Cannot rep anymore .
    "I am a bird"

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Oh, have no problem killing fish. I don't have a problem seeing an animal killed or butchered, either. I just don't want to look it in the eyes or pet it before I eat it.
    Great, I don't cuddle with animals I eat either. Although I did go pet some Wagyu last year which I ate beef from a couple times after that.
    "I am a bird"

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    How do cows get DHA or EPA?
    Don't see how that matters to me as I'm not a cow. If you wish to be a cow, feel free to eat like one.



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  14. #41
    Chester Copperpot
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    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    So wouldn't the moral of the story for us humans is to eat more plants like the cows do for better health?
    theres certainly nothing wrong with doing that. it would probably benefit most people to eat more green vegetables... the 3 main vegetables eaten in America are potato chips, french fries, and iceberg lettuce...

    leave it to govt to count the first 2 as vegetables... lol

  15. #42
    Chester Copperpot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The main article you posted https://www.bulletproofexec.com/grass-fed-meat-part-1/ makes the following claim:



    Let us simply consider Omega 3s. Does meat have more Omega 3 than any other food? Your study listed 30 mg. According to this: http://nutritiondata.self.com/foods-...000000000.html

    Flax seed oil tops the chart at 12059mg - over four hundred times as much!

    What about protein sources? Coho salmon clocks in at 3062mg - more than one hundred times this "highest amount of any other food!"

    Given how far off they are on this, we cannot take the rest of the article seriously. It is marketing.



    More Omega 3's than something that does not qualify as a dietary source does not make it a dietary source. It does not "blow regular meat out of the water" nutritionally.

    There may be reasons to prefer grass fed vs standard feed, but nutrition is not one of them. The difference is not significant enough.
    personally i dont care about omega3s in and of themself... foods dont normally just have omega3.. i just posted that to show you that the grassfed has more of them.

  16. #43
    Chester Copperpot
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    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    That's just something you have to get through once.
    I can still remember the first fish I smacked on the head and then gutted. I don't remember the ones after that.

    It's actually quite nice if you're conscious of where your food comes from. Does make you not eat certain things though. At least for me.
    when i go to the dairy farm i always pet the baby cows lol... id have a hard time petting an animal and then slaughtering it

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Chester Copperpot View Post
    when i go to the dairy farm i always pet the baby cows lol... id have a hard time petting an animal and then slaughtering it
    The magic is to name them after cuts of meat.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    I'm starting to think Ferrari hates meat.
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    I pay extra not to meet my food. I just don't want to look it in the eyes or pet it before I eat it.
    Looks like a part of you does too.

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Don't see how that matters to me as I'm not a cow. If you wish to be a cow, feel free to eat like one.
    You're sidestepping because you know the answer to my question helps prove my argument.

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Chester Copperpot View Post
    potato chips, french fries
    Both full of salt and also fat from being deep fried in oil, but the potato gets most of the blame.

    and iceberg lettuce...
    Interesting thing about iceberg lettuce. It gets a bad rap from having a relatively lower nutrient content compared to other kinds of lettuce, but it has roughly the same nutrient profile. The reason it has a lower nutrient content is because it has about 2x more water content per serving.

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    You're sidestepping because you know the answer to my question helps prove my argument.
    I don't think so. You can find lots of omega-6 in cod liver oil too, but I don't see cows in the wild eating codfish livers.



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    I don't think so. You can find lots of omega-6 in cod liver oil too, but I don't see cows in the wild eating codfish livers.
    Of course not, do you know any omnivorous cows?

    Now if there was codgrass I'm sure that'd be a smorgasbord for a herd of cows.
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  24. #50
    Couldn't you just eat the grain fed beef and get omega-3 from elsewhere in your diet or supplements? I've never heard of people trying to get omega-3 from beef.

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by brandon View Post
    Couldn't you just eat the grain fed beef and get omega-3 from elsewhere in your diet or supplements? I've never heard of people trying to get omega-3 from beef.
    Well, I can get sugar in licorice or chocolate. I prefer to get my sugar from chocolate over licorice. Why is this a controversy? Also, do you think Omega-3 is the only reason people prefer grass fed pastured beef?

  26. #52
    Grass fed beef certainly has a better fat profile than grain fed. It's also more likely to have been treated better during it's life.

    I'd say the cost is well worth the benefit.

  27. #53
    Chester Copperpot
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    Quote Originally Posted by brandon View Post
    Couldn't you just eat the grain fed beef and get omega-3 from elsewhere in your diet or supplements? I've never heard of people trying to get omega-3 from beef.
    you could... some people eat mcdonalds every day and think taking vitamin pills makes up for it.. it doesnt..

    Would you eat a sick animal? Everybody says no... An animal grain fed is a sick animal... if you eat sick animals you will become sick.

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Chester Copperpot View Post
    you could... some people eat mcdonalds every day and think taking vitamin pills makes up for it.. it doesnt..

    Would you eat a sick animal? Everybody says no... An animal grain fed is a sick animal... if you eat sick animals you will become sick.
    Exactly, even if you don't believe that there are significant benefits from their diet, a grass fed animal is more likely to be healthy than one confined to an industrial farm and pumped full of chemicals.

  29. #55
    Grass fed meat contains a range of vitamins, minerals and antioxidants including:

    Carotenoids: Ever noticed the yellowish tint in the fat from grass fed meat after it cooks? This indicated the presence of Carotenoids (precursors to Vitamin A) which are found in green grass, especially rapidly growing green grass.
    B-Vitamins: Red meat is also a great source of B vitamins, especially vitamin B-12, which plays an important role in fertility, mental health, muscle health and heart health.
    Vitamin D: Red meat contains high levels of an especially absorbable form of Vitamin D that appears to increase blood levels faster than synthetic Vitamin D or vitamin D in dairy.
    Iron: Red meat is a well known source of Iron, which is especially beneficial for pregnant women or those who are anemic.
    http://wellnessmama.com/4344/grass-fed-beef/
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  30. #56
    Chester Copperpot
    Member

    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    I wasnt aware of the Vitamin D in meat but the reason its better is because its not a synthetic cookie-cutter molecule.. There are over 950 isomers of Vitamin D and just like the carotenes the grassfed nature of the animal means a wide spectrum of various vitamin Ds will exist.. (along with all sorts of complementary nutrition that allow everything to be assimilated and absorbed)



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    Cows on pasture typically live through eight to ten lactations (or births) for a total of ten to 12 years. Cows in confinement, fed grain and soybeans, average 1.8 lactations. When they become unable to produce milk, or when their ankles can no longer hold up on the cement floors, they are shipped off to the butcher. About 25 percent of the meat consumed in America comes from these “downer” cows. The problem of downer cows in confinement dairies is increasing, even though antibiotics, drugs and nutrient supplements are routinely added to animal feed. We hear that in some confinement dairies, the typical cow is milked through one long lactation and then slaughtered. This eats into profits and has the vets throwing up heir hands in defeat.

    Soil specialist Jerry Brunetti6 explains why the way cows are fed today causes them to suffer from a range of health problems. Dairy cows are fed grains and soybeans, which have high caloric and nitrogen values. Sometimes rations even include bakery waste, such as out-of-date donuts, candy and pastries. These foodstuffs upset the delicately balanced ecosystem in the cow’s rumen. As rumen microbes digest the foods eaten by the cow, they produce waste products which inhibit the growth of other microbes. One of these metabolic wastes, acetic acid (vinegar), is used as an energy source by cattle. But the waste from microbial digestion of starches—like corn and bakery waste—is lactic acid, which has no value to ruminant. It also lowers the pH in the rumen, causing acidosis. The colostrum (first milk) of such acidic cows has very few antibodies because they are immunosuppressed.

    Another serious consequence of grain feeding is that cows on grain absorb lower amounts of fat-soluble vitamins A, D and E, even when these vitamins are added to feed; and, consequently, less of these vital nutrients show up in the milk.7

    Of all the cull cows taken to slaughter today, only about 5 percent have livers that can be salvaged. Damage to the liver is attributed to high levels of protein in soy-based feed. Brunetti also faults the practice of spraying manure back onto fields, resulting in very high levels of free nitrogen in the hay grown on these pastures. He cites a large “progressive” dairy in a high rainfall area of western Washington state that could not get its cows to breed or produce much milk. They thought their hay was high in protein because analysis showed high nitrogen values. But much of the nitrogen was free nitrogen which had an adverse effect on both fertility and milk production. When the farm ran out of its own hay and fed apparently lesser quality hay grown in eastern Washington state, milk production improved.

    When cows eat high quality forage in green pastures, the pH of the rumen returns to normal and the cows enjoy good health and produce superior quality milk.
    - See more at: http://www.westonaprice.org/health-t....0TMF0mg7.dpuf
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  33. #58
    Thanks for the fascinating posts, donnay!

  34. #59
    Chester Copperpot
    Member

    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    That's the primary reason I don't buy a butchered cow. I personally know a rancher and could almost certainly buy a cow cut-rate, but I can't do offal. Shudder. I'd rather not waste parts of a living creature, which I would do if I bought a cow.
    i grew up thinking all that offal meat was gross too however Ive come to learn that there are tremendous health properties of eating offal. Basically if one has a damaged organ they can repair it by eating that organ in an animal.. so people with thyroid issues can eat pork(or beef) thyroid, if you have liver issues eat liver, kidney issues eat kidney etc etc...

    a few months ago I was at a chinese buffet and i was chewing on a chicken foot... now youre supposed to suck the juice out of them but this time I took a bite and of course a knuckle broke off in my mouth.. real gross.. but when i go to the farm next week ill get me a whole bag of chicken feet and put them into another bone broth... good gelatin in the feet, skin etc... maybe ill even get a bag of chicken heads and cook them too...

    i will say I tried chicken gizzards for the first time ever recently in a broth.. i even chopped them up just in case whole ones were gonna be gross.. but they were excellent... you have to do a little prep work cleaning them but theyre great.. a similar texture to beef jerky...
    Last edited by Chester Copperpot; 02-09-2016 at 10:50 AM.

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Chester Copperpot View Post
    i grew up thinking all that offal meat was gross too however Ive come to learn that there are tremendous health properties of eating offal. Basically if one has a damaged organ they can repair it by eating that organ in an animal.. so people with thyroid issues can eat pork(or beef) thyroid, if you have liver issues eat liver, kidney issues eat kidney etc etc...

    a few months ago I was at a chinese buffet and i was chewing on a chicken foot... now youre supposed to suck the juice out of them but this time I took a bite and of course a knuckle broke off in my mouth.. real gross.. but when i go to the farm next week ill get me a whole bag of chicken feet and put them into another bone broth... good gelatin in the feet, skin etc... maybe ill even get a bag of chicken heads and cook them too...

    i will say I tried chicken gizzards for the first time ever recently in a broth.. i even chopped them up just in case whole ones were gonna be gross.. but they were excellent... you have to do a little prep work cleaning them but theyre great.. a similar texture to beef jerky...
    So if I eat brains I will get smarter?

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