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I would hope that Liberty Forest remains,
Education,, awareness and organization .
I don't think we will change anything from the top down,, but from the bottom up.
Feed the roots.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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It's all about Freedom
Just because Rand suspended his campaign, that shouldn't mean we can't vote for him in the primary.
- Identifying strong, credible Liberty candidates across the nation for state and federal and re-electing Rand Paul to the U.S. Senate.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...for-the-Future
We Don’t Need a Majority
When thinking about all the work we still have to do, it’s important to keep in mind that we don’t need majority support. If you’re waiting for 51 percent of the population to say “I’m libertarian and I believe everything you say,” you’ll lose your mind. What we need for success is intellectual leadership in a country that can influence government and the society overall.
That’s where the progress is being made. We’re only talking about 7 or 8 percent of a country that is necessary to provide the kind of influence you need. This was the case during the American Revolution, and it’s true today. You are part of that 8 percent.
When doing this work, though, there are many things that can be done. People often ask me “what do you want me to do.” My answer is: “do what you want to do.” There is no one way. Some people can use the political system, and others can go into pure education. Lew Rockwell started the Mises Institute, but what you do for the cause of liberty is personal to you, and you have to and what makes sense for you.
Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
--Albert J. Nock
This question becomes much less important at the state or local level, but is certainly still relevant. But at the national level, where being able to capture the "soft support" is necessary, I agree that having a "tuna" (to use your word) would be extremely helpful. There's certainly plenty of possibilities around, see post #10, here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-find-pornstar
I have an autographed copy of Revolution: A Manifesto for sale. Mint condition, inquire within. (I don't sign in often, so please allow plenty of time for a response)
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"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein
"for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson.
I don't get why people keep saying we need to focus on local elections or on a Presidential run. Trees need water on the roots AND sunlight on the leaves.
Last year I put up a poll here. A combined 56% of respondents first heard about liberty or learned more about it because of Ron's runs, and 28% first learned about liberty directly from Ron because he ran. Running a high profile presidential campaign is just as valuable as running for city counsel and being the lone no vote in your little area. We need to do both at the same time, watering the roots with local victories while we shine light on the leaves with the national spotlight.
Amash>Trump
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"Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping graven images" - Ironman77
"ideas have the potential of being more powerful than any army....The concept of personal sovereignty was pulled screaming from the ether into this reality by the force of men believing in a self evident truth, that men are meant to be free." - The Northbreather
"Trump is the security blanket of aggrieved white men aged 18-60." - Pinoy
Liberty cannot survive on it's own Love. that is why it never has.
Liberty requires responsibility. this is anathema to many. and those types tend to congregate in groups. and then create "states"
this explains why our founders intent, was to use the "state" to limit the states.
"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein
"for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson.
Amash>Trump
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"Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping graven images" - Ironman77
"ideas have the potential of being more powerful than any army....The concept of personal sovereignty was pulled screaming from the ether into this reality by the force of men believing in a self evident truth, that men are meant to be free." - The Northbreather
"Trump is the security blanket of aggrieved white men aged 18-60." - Pinoy
I got banned for supporting the CONstitution on RPF's
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...83#post6068783
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdXjm8pZMws
"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein
"for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson.
"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein
"for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson.
Have you seen the show Parks and Rec? I love it. Ron is a pretty wonderful character. Let's pretend that he was a perfect libertarian rather than a spoof of libertarianism. According to you... people would look at Pawnee, Indiana and think, wow... that city is so great because of Ron. Except... Ron wouldn't be the only city official. There would also be Knope... who is definitely not a libertarian. So if Pawnee does thrive... liberals would give all the credit to Knope while libertarians would give all the credit to Ron.
Just think about all the countries that liberals point to as being examples of successful welfare states. They say that Scandinavian countries succeed because of, rather than despite, high taxes.
Rather than try and change a city to reflect libertarian ideals... I think it's better to change a website to reflect libertarian ideas. It would be far easier to accomplish and far easier for people to see the direct correlation between free-market ideals and the website's success.
Like I explained in an earlier post... this forum would have one page that would list websites dedicated to free-market ideas. The websites would be sorted by their value... and their value would be determined by how much the members of this forum were willing to pay for them. For example... here's Cafe Hayek...
http://cafehayek.com/
I'd be willing to give Bryan at least a dollar to add that website to the list. So at first it would look like this...
$1 - Cafe Hayek
If you thought that Cafe Hayek was too low on the list... then you could give Bryan $3 for Cafe Hayek. So then it would look like this...
$4 - Cafe Hayek
By a completely decentralized funding system... aka a "market" (specifically crowdfunding)... we'd sort free-market websites according to their total value.
The top 5 or 10 most valuable websites would be displayed on the homepage of this website.
I'm guessing that you're against the minimum wage? The problem with the minimum wage is that it transmits inaccurate information. The theory being that accurate information is more valuable than inaccurate information. If you agree that accurate information is more valuable... then perhaps you'll agree that it's a good idea to sort liberty websites according to their actual value. If it's a good idea to know the actual value of one resource... such a worker... then it's a good idea to know the actual value of all resources... including websites... and especially websites dedicated to really important topics.... such as freedom.
$#@!. Don't forget Russell Means. RIP
oh! that's Rich!
ROTFLMAO!
on RONPAULforums... the dude who goes by "Anti-Federalist" called ME a jerk!
AF abhors the CONstituton. so, what does he support?
how will this plan promote Liberty sir?Ideally, the "city states" of Renaissance Italy comes to mind.
Liberty needs protecting. AF, it CANNOT thrive on it's own. History proves this. time and time again.
what the WORLD needs. is a Constitutional Federation. based on Liberty.
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"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein
"for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson.
Just for the peanut gallery, Ron Paul opined that he would have been an anti-federalist during the drafting of the Constitution, after praising Spooner at a GOP Lincoln dinner.
So when HVACTech is criticizing Anti Federalist for choosing that name on RONPAULforums, know that Ron agrees with Anti Federalist.
The epitome of libertarian populismOriginally Posted by Ron Paul
I can agree with Ron on that.
our Founders were presenting a balanced argument.
so, what do Ron, Rand and Thomas Jefferson concur upon?
a Constitutional Federation of "states"
is best for protecting Liberty.
this remains true until this very day.
how best would YOU protect Liberty? feeding the abscess?
what a nice name! howsoever did you chose it?
such POWER! such Grace!
"feeding the abscess"
I bet that took a lot of thought. and SO difficult to defend!
or, are you doing that right now?
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"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein
"for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson.
that sounds like a Servo to me...
small signals CAN control large power.systems.
A servomechanism, sometimes shortened to servo, is an automatic device that uses error-sensing negative feedback to correct the performance of a mechanism and is defined by its function. It usually includes a built-in encoder.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti...servomechanism
definitely a good idea sir!
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"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein
"for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson.
This is a very informative, energetic platform of liberty minded folks.. I hope its core message and structure stays intact even if some fine tuning is done with Rand out of the immediate race. Presidential races in US currently remain an illusion for the most part, an unapologetic message candidate like Ron Paul can inspire many and bring about some real change in peoples thinking even without "winning" in the traditional sense.
Keep up the great work!
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All well and good, with the understanding that such endeavors avails us nothing unless there is sufficient mass. Here I would suspect that "sufficient" would have to mean a proportion somewhere in the region of 50% of the people, if not more. This is particularly the case if we accept the reality of a so-called "globalist agenda", which at this point is no longer plausibly regarded as "conspiracy theory".
The self-admitted globalists are at the top of the control heap and have similarly made plain their goal of establishing overarching hegemony over the entire globe. Given that to which we have all born witness, this is some very serious business with vast investment having been devoted to the realization of the goal. I believe all reasonable men would agree that "global" doe not mean "almost global". It thereby follows that Theye would not be looking to spare the United States the mark of their brand. This means that America must be brought to heel.
Therefore, any serious attempt at freeing ourselves would have to possess the power to resist a cabal that has shown its willingness to lay waste entire nations that meet with its displeasure. Americans would have to come into very strong mutual accord in order to hold even the least hope of resisting a power that commands the might of most of the world's nations. Theye've shown themselves capable of anything in terms of intent and will, the only question remaining whether Theye can command or bribe sufficient resources to put America down by force.
I would suggest that anything significantly less than 100% accord of the relevant American subpopulation (fight-capable adults v. children, e.g.) would pose a dire threat to the prospects for a successful break from the self-styled masters. Add to that the fact that Theye would keep at us, year over year in all the usual ways such as economic blockading designed to starve us out. We retain next to no heavy industry, which means we would be in sore trouble were Theye to successfully cut off basics such as oil and steel supplies, just to mention two.
The prospects are indeed grim. Still worth trying, mind you - for living as a slave is no life at all - but let us not fool ourselves into thinking that if Theye can muster the obedient participation of the bulk of nations over a sufficiently long term that America would fall even in the best-case scenario regarding our national will and cohesion.
That's where civil government is closest to the people, anyway. Here are a few ideas that come to mind:
- We need to get acquainted with our state constitutions and start holding our state legislatures accountable for their votes and laws, especially the ones where they allow the federal government to overstep their authority.
This assumes the validity of the documents in question. It further assumes sufficient understanding of proper human relations exists within the confines of each man's skull. I submit that neither assumption is even remotely true.
The case can, however, be made that says America is in dire need of heroic measures in order to save its life. I do, in fact, accept that as unequivocal truth. We need to act first, but only on the understanding that if we throw the vampire from our neck, we will have succeeded in completing but the first step in a laborious and hazard-fraught process of establishing a free land. Understanding freedom, proper human relations, etc. would have to become the next order of business and I remain fearful that attaining such accord in the context of a population the half or more of which has been infected with the disease of entitlement-mind
I accept all this as valid, but insufficient. Without an overarching philosophy of freedom, there is no free land. If we are to reduce America to a hodgepodge of a thousand disjointed principalities constituted in random ways, I see no reason to save the land. If the result is my inability to go from place to place without fear of stepping into the domain of a petty, but dangerous tyrant, I want no part of it. Failure to establish an objectively derived and provably correct set of principles that comprise the universal basis of American life will only end us up in the same place, probably worse off than we now find ourselves. Without getting the basics established, there is no point in even bothering.
- At the county level is where we need to start building support for third parties so that one day, hopefully, they will be taken more seriously on the national stage.
- We need to attend city council and town hall meetings to learn about the issues which affect our lives daily, issues such as zoning laws, property taxes, and law enforcement initiatives.
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There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.
It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.
Our words make us the ghosts that we are.
Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.
I was a member of the daily paul back in 2007 and have begun reading this site this year. I registered for this post and to share some thoughts...
The direction of the Liberty Movement must be on setting fires in the minds of men, women, and children. Sure, supporting campaigns is great, but elections are game that the rule-maker will not let you win. We are not at a point where a liberty campaign will succeed. Many people don't have the slightest clue what liberty is and don't want to take a moment to understand the philosophy surrounding it.
We must ignite liberty ideas in their minds. Remember "google Ron Paul?" "End the Wars?" "End the Fed?" "NSA Spying?" "Austrian economics?" "The golden Rule?"
We placed these ideas in the minds of many. We went to every corner of the internet, of our city, and let the truth be known. You can still see remnants of it today when you read an article and the comments are plastered with negativity toward the FED. Where is the passion that drove us to bullhorn this information. We need a uniform front to tackle this. We must be unified at a given time and plaster this country with ideas. We can make the ideas news. The budget is going to be a big issue coming up. Where are we on this. We can attack and stop any support of an unbalanced budget. To do so we need to mobilize and make this the new grandstand. And when were done with that we hit whatever the next need is. Storm the internet and your location with information. Where are the videomakers? Flood the internet with passionate videos about these subjects. Hit the hearts and minds of folks. They are all on the internet. Let our words of liberty and of freedom be there to greet them in the morning, gather with them at lunchtime, and rock them to sleep.
We get behind an idea who's time has come.
Yes! We should definitely do this so that it's easier to keep track of who needs support.
We should also be working on local meetups and winning small elections. We really need liberty-minded people in all areas of government. Imagine if we had people like Chuck Baldwin, Gary Johnson, Rand Paul, Ron Paul, and Ross Perot holding seats and offices throughout the country! Some are more socially conservative, some are more socially liberal, but they are all for liberty.
Our "tuna" would be a reinstatement of the Rule of Law and a massive anti-corruption campaign. Country wants it desperately.
Of course, you can expect certain infiltrator-betrayer types that have insinuated themselves amongst us to be kicking and screaming the entire way.
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