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    The Problem With the Paleo Diet Argument

    It's time to put all this Paleo and other animal-based low-carb diet nonsense to rest once and for all.

    The Problem With the Paleo Diet Argument
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx0pOGVMntM


    Early human ancestors were not predominantly meat eaters, but frugivores just like most of the other great apes.

    Teeth Show Fruit Was The Staple; No Exceptions Found
    BALTIMORE PRELIMINARY studies of fossil teeth have led an anthropologist to the startling suggestion that early human ancestors were not predominantly meat eaters or even eaters of seeds, shoots, leaves or grasses. Nor were they omnivorous. Instead, they appear to have subsisted chiefly on a diet of fruit.
    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstrac...639C946890D6CF
    full article http://health101.org/art_diet2.htm

    Paleopoo: What We Can Learn from Fossilized Feces (We were frugivores)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZEZYu_7zR4

    FOSSILIZED POO DEBUNKS PALEO DIET
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVcSF5ecpmc



    How to Really Eat Like a Hunter-Gatherer: Why the Paleo Diet Is Half-Baked
    http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...er-really-eat/

    Low Carb vs. Plant-Based Diet - The Paleo Diet Is Uncivilized (and Unhealthy and Untrue)
    https://www.drmcdougall.com/health/e...nt-based-diet/

    Paleo Diets May Negate Benefits of Exercise
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFIEUjh0jpI



    Was the traditional Eskimo diet healthy? Nope!

    - "Eskimos have a similar prevalence of CAD (coronary artery disease) as non-Eskimo populations, they have excessive mortality due to cerebrovascular strokes, their overall mortality is twice as high as that of non-Eskimo populations, and their life expectancy is approximately 10 years shorter than the Danish population."

    - Mummified remains of Eskimos dating back 2,000 years have shown extensive hardening of the arteries throughout their brains, hearts and limbs--two Eskimo women, one in her twenties and the other in her forties, frozen for five centuries in a tomb of ice. When discovered and medically examined they both showed signs of severe osteoporosis and also suffered extensive atherosclerosis, "probably the result of a heavy diet of whale and seal blubber."

    - Alaskan Eskimos older than age 40 have been found to have a 10% to 15% greater deficit in bone mineral density compared to Caucasians in the US.

    - The infamous Bang and Dyerberg study has been dis-proven.
    Omega-3’s and the Eskimo Fish Tale
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LvGiiZyn-M

    Eskimos Suffer from Atherosclerosis & Severe Bone Loss
    https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2015nl/apr/eskimos.htm

    What Low Carb High Meat Eskimo Diet Does To Body
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG-mWcDbasI



    What diet style did the healthiest communities follow?

    Blue Zones: What the Longest-Lived People Eat (Hint: It’s Not Steak Dinners)
    - "the longest-lived people ate a high complex-carb diet with medium levels of fat and medium-to-low levels of protein"
    http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...steak-dinners/


    Even a plant-based low carb diet was shown to be way more healthier than a animal-based low carb diet.

    Plant-based Atkins diet
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmDUnFd6UX4


    Plants. Who knew?!
    Last edited by farreri; 10-19-2016 at 11:38 AM.



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    All "diets" have their flaws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    All "diets" have their flaws.
    Well some way more than others, I guess.

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    The problem is that a "diet" focus on either excluding or only including limited types of foods so you end up with deficiencies in nutrients. They also become monotonous and difficult to follow long term. Variety. Vegetarians have troubles getting enough complete protein and meat diets lose out on vitamins and minerals in fruits and vegetables.

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    Been on the Paleo diet for 4 years. Works great and I feel fantastic. Energy, Energy and more Energy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The problem is that a "diet" focus on either excluding or only including limited types of foods so you end up with deficiencies in nutrients. They also become monotonous and difficult to follow long term. Variety. Vegetarians have troubles getting enough complete protein and meat diets lose out on vitamins and minerals in fruits and vegetables.
    The only non-diet diet is the seafood diet and I'm pretty sure you'll agree that diet is not healthy either. I don't know how vegetarians have trouble getting complete protein unless they eat a low calorie vegetarian diet.

    What "diet" do you recommend and if you say a balanced diet, please be detailed in what that means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William R View Post
    Been on the Paleo diet for 4 years. Works great and I feel fantastic. Energy, Energy and more Energy
    Just wait! For everyone's information, what diets have you been on before Paleo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The problem is that a "diet" focus on either excluding or only including limited types of foods so you end up with deficiencies in nutrients. They also become monotonous and difficult to follow long term. Variety.
    Agree. That's why I prefer a "nutrition plan" to a "diet". More emphasis on the value and effect of food that way-which is more important for most people. Can't verify, but I've heard that powerlifters just eat a whole lot without giving a $#@! so much as it helps them lift MOAR. That's why powerlifters tend to be fatty even though they can deadlift 1000 lbs.
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    Grain protein sources are not complete proteins- they do not have all of the amino acids we need. Grains can be combined with say rice to be a more complete protein but you need to carefully balance what you eat to get them.

    "Diet" to me means not focusing on anything in particular but consuming a variety of foods- meat, vegetables, fruits, grains- and none of them in large quantities. Even sugar is fine if you are not consuming too much of it. People ignore fruits because they are afraid of sugar in it while they miss out on the vitamins fruits contain. Moderation in everything.

    The only non-diet diet is the seafood diet and I'm pretty sure you'll agree that diet is not healthy either.
    How is that not a "diet"? Focusing on one thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    Agree. That's why I prefer a "nutrition plan" to a "diet". More emphasis on the value and effect of food that way-which is more important for most people. Can't verify, but I've heard that powerlifters just eat a whole lot without giving a $#@! so much as it helps them lift MOAR. That's why powerlifters tend to be fatty even though they can deadlift 1000 lbs.
    Power lifters also tend to die younger than most people. Sumo wrestlers even younger. Their goal is not to be healthy but to get as big as they can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Power lifters also tend to die younger than most people. Sumo wrestlers even younger. Their goal is not to be healthy but to get as big as they can.
    Sure. But that's beside the point.

    ETA: Not all sumo wrestlers are HUGE. Weight classes tend to begin at under 200 lbs and go upward from there. http://idahosumo.webs.com/rulesandweightclasses.htm Lyoto Machida has a high kyu in it, but you wouldn't guess by looking at him.
    Last edited by heavenlyboy34; 02-04-2016 at 05:02 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    Agree. That's why I prefer a "nutrition plan" to a "diet".
    Semantics. Both mean restricting something you think is bad. The word diet is vilified because people associate it with having to restrict total calorie intake, which I agree never works, but it can also mean restricting certain types of food without restricting total calories, like low fat, low carb, or gluten-free diets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Grain protein sources are not complete proteins- they do not have all of the amino acids we need. Grains can be combined with say rice to be a more complete protein but you need to carefully balance what you eat to get them.
    No one eats just one plant food. You don't have to worry about carefully balance so much as getting enough calories in.

    People ignore fruits because they are afraid of sugar in it while they miss out on the vitamins fruits contain.
    Thank the low carb and especially paleo gurus for making everyone fruit phobic!

    Moderation in everything.
    As long as you know what amount to moderate it to which has been the million dollar question in the dietary world.

    How is that not a "diet"? Focusing on one thing?
    You forgot to click on the link.
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...m=seafood+diet

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Power lifters also tend to die younger than most people. Sumo wrestlers even younger. Their goal is not to be healthy but to get as big as they can.
    Totally agree on that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    It's time to put all this Paleo and other animal-based low carb diet nonsense to rest once and for all.


    The Problem With the Paleo Diet Argument
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx0pOGVMntM

    Paleo Diets May Negate Benefits of Exercise
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFIEUjh0jpI

    Low Carb vs. Plant-Based Diet - The Paleo Diet Is Uncivilized (and Unhealthy and Untrue)
    https://www.drmcdougall.com/health/e...nt-based-diet/


    For those who think the Eskimo diet is healthy, it's not.

    Omega-3’s and the Eskimo Fish Tale
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LvGiiZyn-M

    Eskimos Suffer from Atherosclerosis & Severe Bone Loss
    https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2015nl/apr/eskimos.htm


    What healthy communities ate.

    Blue Zones: What the Longest-Lived People Eat (Hint: It’s Not Steak Dinners)
    - "the longest-lived people ate a high complex-carb diet with medium levels of fat and medium-to-low levels of protein"
    http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...steak-dinners/


    Even a plant-based low carb diet was shown to be way more healthier than a animal-based low carb diet.

    Plant-based Atkins diet
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmDUnFd6UX4


    Plants. Who knew?!
    Inuits eat only whale, salmon, and seal and have perfect health.

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    I've seen powerlifters in competition suddenly just vomit. Fitness and Bodybuilding is good, but holy $#@!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIDEODROME View Post
    I've seen powerlifters in competition suddenly just vomit. Fitness and Bodybuilding is good, but holy $#@!.
    I'm fairly sure that it's the most brutal sport a body can be put through except strongman.
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    I think the problem is that most people that have or had weight issues have/had them because they consumed too many carbohydrates and too much processed food. Restricting carbohydrates to a minimum so that your body can utilize the stored fat as an energy source is an effective way to loose unwanted pounds. After losing the unwanted weight it is wise to remember what was eaten prior to the weight loss. Furthermore foods that are high in carbohydrates and processed foods are convenient, taste good, probably intentionally addictive and easy to abuse. Eating natural, wholesome food is key. It is easy and wise to be aware of the carbohydrate intake and limit it to a desirable quantity. I honestly don't think all the obese people walking around are obese because they ate too much protein or didn't eat enough carbohydrates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    Inuits eat only whale, salmon, and seal and have perfect health.
    Not sure if srs, but in case you are, you clearing didn't check out the links I posted. I'll give you some snippets.

    - "Eskimos have a similar prevalence of CAD (coronary artery disease) as non-Eskimo populations, they have excessive mortality due to cerebrovascular strokes, their overall mortality is twice as high as that of non-Eskimo populations, and their life expectancy is approximately 10 years shorter than the Danish population."

    - Mummified remains of Eskimos dating back 2,000 years have shown extensive hardening of the arteries throughout their brains, hearts and limbs--two Eskimo women, one in her twenties and the other in her forties, frozen for five centuries in a tomb of ice. When discovered and medically examined they both showed signs of severe osteoporosis and also suffered extensive atherosclerosis, "probably the result of a heavy diet of whale and seal blubber."

    - Alaskan Eskimos older than age 40 have been found to have a 10% to 15% greater deficit in bone mineral density compared to Caucasians in the US.


    The infamous Bang and Dyerberg study has been disproven over and over again.

    “Fishing” for the Origins of the “Eskimos and Heart Disease” Story: Facts or Wishful Thinking?
    "During the 1970s, 2 Danish investigators, Bang and Dyerberg, on being informed that the Greenland Eskimos had a low prevalence of coronary artery disease (CAD) set out to study the diet of this population-- In view of data... Most studies found that the Greenland Eskimos and the Canadian and Alaskan Inuit have CAD as often as the non-Eskimo populations. Notably, Bang and Dyerberg's studies from the 1970s did not investigate the prevalence of CAD in this population; however, their reports are still routinely cited as evidence for the cardioprotective effect of the “Eskimo diet.” We discuss the possible motives leading to the misinterpretation of these seminal studies."
    http://www.onlinecjc.ca/article/S082...237-2/abstract
    Eskimos have CHD despite high consumption of omega-3 fatty acids: the Alaska Siberia project.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16277122


    Omega 3's didn't help the Inuit people much.

    Consumption of omega-3 fatty acids is not associated with a reduction in carotid atherosclerosis: the Genetics of Coronary Artery Disease in Alaska Natives study. CONCLUSIONS: Dietary intake of omega-3 FAs in a moderate-to-high range does not appear to be associated with reduced plaque, but is negatively associated with IMT. The presence and extent of carotid atherosclerosis among Eskimos is higher with increasing consumption of saturated FAs.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18054937


    There is the theory that only way Omega 3 did helped the Eskimos is the high amounts they ate acted like aspirin and thinned their blood so much they were able to survive longer than people normal would with such a high presence of atherosclerosis!


    The truth of the matter is the Eskimos diet was poor, caused a lot of health problems, and they barely got enough of key nutrients making them lucky to even survive as a group.

    You all have been snookered by these Paleo gurus. They are just telling you good things about your bad habits. Get off that crap diet before your arteries fully harden.
    Last edited by farreri; 02-05-2016 at 01:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    Restricting carbohydrates to a minimum so that your body can utilize the stored fat as an energy source is an effective way to loose unwanted pounds.
    People on true low fat diets lose weight too. In fact, the experts promoting low fat diets are much leaner than the experts promoting the low carb diets.

    Furthermore foods that are high in carbohydrates and processed foods are convenient, taste good, probably intentionally addictive and easy to abuse.
    If you look closely, those packaged foods are also high in fat.

    It is easy and wise to be aware of the carbohydrate intake and limit it to a desirable quantity.
    Limit protein and fat. The longterm evidence proves this.

    I honestly don't think all the obese people walking around are obese because they ate too much protein or didn't eat enough carbohydrates.
    They ate too much protein and fat along with processed carbs.

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    When I look around me I see many people that are overweight, fat, or obese. I agree with many people that variety is a good thing. I don't understand why people that have found success with the eating program have to argue with others that have found success with theirs. If it works for you and you are happy with it, then good for you. I see and hear many heavy people that claim to eat healthy low fat diets that have an ongoing struggle with weight. I see people that go to low carb and shed lots of weight. The low fat people speak of how the whole grains are good for them and that the fruit is great because it is a natural sugar. I see these people all the time at work. They are still obese. They also speak of going to the gym and working out and how important exercise is. I too think exercise is good but don't think it is necessary to lose weight. I think the key is to be able to keep the weight off once you lose it. I cared for a diabetic once that told me that she got her diabetes because she like to eat grapes. I had a nurses aid tell me the other morning that her blood sugar was high and that she was going to stop drinking coffee because when she doesn't drink coffee her blood sugar levels are good and her doctor thinks it is due to the milk she puts in her coffee. I would think that it is highly unlikely that the milk in her coffee is causing her hyperglycemia.

    My point is if you are low fat and healthy and happy and someone else is Paleo and healthy and happy they are both better off than most people riding motorized scooters at the grocery store.

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    Chester Copperpot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    When I look around me I see many people that are overweight, fat, or obese. I agree with many people that variety is a good thing. I don't understand why people that have found success with the eating program have to argue with others that have found success with theirs. If it works for you and you are happy with it, then good for you. I see and hear many heavy people that claim to eat healthy low fat diets that have an ongoing struggle with weight. I see people that go to low carb and shed lots of weight. The low fat people speak of how the whole grains are good for them and that the fruit is great because it is a natural sugar. I see these people all the time at work. They are still obese. They also speak of going to the gym and working out and how important exercise is. I too think exercise is good but don't think it is necessary to lose weight. I think the key is to be able to keep the weight off once you lose it. I cared for a diabetic once that told me that she got her diabetes because she like to eat grapes. I had a nurses aid tell me the other morning that her blood sugar was high and that she was going to stop drinking coffee because when she doesn't drink coffee her blood sugar levels are good and her doctor thinks it is due to the milk she puts in her coffee. I would think that it is highly unlikely that the milk in her coffee is causing her hyperglycemia.

    My point is if you are low fat and healthy and happy and someone else is Paleo and healthy and happy they are both better off than most people riding motorized scooters at the grocery store.
    Exactly.. I concur wholeheartedly with you.

    FWIW your nurses aid with the coffee & blood sugar story.. the caffeine in the coffee will tend to deplete one's magnesium stores.. and with low magnesium comes higher blood sugar.

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    CSU scientist and author of The Paleo Diet, Loren Cordain responds to U-C Davis Scientist and co-author of the New Atkins, Steve Phinney’s discussion on Pemmican. This interview includes Loren’s opinion that saturated fats DO increase plaque in the arteries. However, Loren says, this only becomes very hazardous when saturated fats are eaten in combination with grains, beans, dairy, high-sugar foods or other foods that tend to increase inflammation. Cordain says the combination of saturated fats and inflammatory foods such as grains is a deadly formula for a heart attack.


    ....


    I’ve always stated that, and I’ve been misquoted so often on this saturated fat issue and atherosclerosis. The devil’s in the detail. So I believe these Inuit women who had never been exposed to Western Food did indeed have atherosclerosis.

    They had a lot of plaque in their arteries, they had hardening of the arteries, but did that mean they had a heart attack?

    No! What kills you is not plaque in the arteries. What kills you is the rupture of the plaque. What causes the rupture of the plaque . . . because I think what happens is that atherosclerosis goes forth. Our bodies wall it over, we wall it out, and the lumen of the artery actually expands to compensate for the thickness of the intima. What kills us in the Western world, we have this atherosclerotic process going on, like we have in these Inuit. But in contrast to them, we have a pro-inflammatory diet. If you took these 1600 year old Inuit women and fed them bread along with their high fat diet, I would be almost certain that you would see myocardial infarctions.
    http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2010/...er-march-25th/
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    This reminds me of how Ron Paul fans sling mud at Rand. Rand is miles better than the others, but because he's second best, he's as bad as the worst?

    Health conscious vegans and paleos actually have a lot in common in avoiding the worst stuff like heavily processed foods and added sugar. Some people can eat anything. Rich Froening eats all kinds of crap that I wouldn't be able to at my lower level of fitness. As a rough but not hard and fast rule, the better shape you're in the more your system can take, because true fitness reflects overall health.

    Sometimes people who are bellicose about these things are battling health issues and project their battle onto others.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Raven View Post
    This reminds me of how Ron Paul fans sling mud at Rand. Rand is miles better than the others, but because he's second best, he's as bad as the worst?

    Health conscious vegans and paleos actually have a lot in common in avoiding the worst stuff like heavily processed foods and added sugar. Some people can eat anything. Rich Froening eats all kinds of crap that I wouldn't be able to at my lower level of fitness. As a rough but not hard and fast rule, the better shape you're in the more your system can take, because true fitness reflects overall health.

    Sometimes people who are bellicose about these things are battling health issues and project their battle onto others.
    Ya, I have nothing against a vegetarian diet - it's far better than the SAD if done well.. but I think paleo is more optimal, I don't have the roller coaster carb effect going on all the time, I can get all the things my body needs out of my food without having to take supplements (with the possible exception of vitamin D which doesn't come from foods)

    That is the only issue I've ever had with Mark Scisson, is that he treats the vegans and vegetarians like the enemy instead of the SAD. The OP is basically doing the same thing in reverse.
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  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Ya, I have nothing against a vegetarian diet - it's far better than the SAD if done well.. but I think paleo is more optimal, I don't have the roller coaster carb effect going on all the time, I can get all the things my body needs out of my food without having to take supplements (with the possible exception of vitamin D which doesn't come from foods)

    That is the only issue I've ever had with Mark Scisson, is that he treats the vegans and vegetarians like the enemy instead of the SAD. The OP is basically doing the same thing in reverse.
    Funny you mention Mark Scisson. He recently was talking on Joe Rogan about that, basically agreeing. Or maybe it was Joe making that point. But of course there are also those "dirty" vegans who will eat anything that isn't meat.

    I like avoiding the roller coaster carb thing too. Insanely hungry 3 hours after a bowl of rice... no thanks. Personally I feel like I should eat less meat, because I do really well on tons of vegetables, but I'll get there eventually.
    Last edited by Mad Raven; 02-05-2016 at 06:29 PM.

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    My ex-wifes sister was/is a vegetarian for many years. She is also a Seventh Day Adventist. She was/is huge/morbidly obese. Years ago she would criticize me when I was very physically fit in my mid/late 20's for eating the wrong food. She was stuffing her face with all kinds of crap and had the audacity to criticize others.

    Once again whatever works. I don't know anyone that went low carb that did not lose weight. I know many people that fail counting calories. I think low fat with carbs can work but the results would probably not be as fast as low carb. The key is how/what we eat once our weight goals are accomplished and if we can stick with it.

    I have no problem going to a restaurant and eating. The other day was my wife's birthday. We went to a Mexican restaurant. I did not eat any of the tortilla chips. I ordered steak fajita's. I did not eat the flour tortilla's. I ate the meat and vegetables with some cheese and it was good. I brought home enough leftovers for another meal.

    I have to know myself and be aware of my shortcomings. I know from experience that some foods would probably trigger a poor eating relapse. So if I am very satisfied today when not eating them why eat them on a special occasion tomorrow? That is like the alcoholic having a special occasion drink. Why risk it? Find what works for you and stick with it.

    The thought just hit me is the Vegetarian/Vegan criticizes the person that eats meat. The Paleo person does eat vegetables. Everyone can agree that too many bad carbohydrates are not good for you. Hmm seems like the Veg/Vegans know what is best for everyone and should be in charge of what others should be eating because others cannot figure it out for themselves.
    Last edited by Schifference; 02-05-2016 at 06:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    I see and hear many heavy people that claim to eat healthy low fat diets that have an ongoing struggle with weight.
    That's right, they "claim" to eat healthy low fat diet, but are they really doing that? There is still debate about what's truly low fat.

    I see people that go to low carb and shed lots of weight.
    I was talking to a person the other day who's on this low carb kick. He only was eating one meal a day. No wonder he was losing weight.

    The low fat people speak of how the whole grains are good for them and that the fruit is great because it is a natural sugar. I see these people all the time at work. They are still obese.
    Look at all the doctors who advocate a true low fat diet. They are all thin.

    I cared for a diabetic once that told me that she got her diabetes because she like to eat grapes.
    Do you really think she got diabetes from grapes?!

    My point is if you are low fat and healthy and happy and someone else is Paleo and healthy and happy they are both better off than most people riding motorized scooters at the grocery store.
    True, but I don't want to die of heart disease, stroke, or diabetes later on in life. Diet is more than just losing weight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    My ex-wifes sister was/is a vegetarian for many years. She is also a Seventh Day Adventist. She was/is huge/morbidly obese.
    There are many ways to eat a vegetarian diet. I had a vegetarian neighbor who had cheese or eggs at every meal. I referred to her as the animal-based vegetarian. Lots of vegetarians eat all that packaged vegetarian food crap that are high in oils. The point is don't just go by the label of the diet. You have to know exactly what they eat and how much to make a judgement.
    Last edited by farreri; 02-05-2016 at 08:09 PM.

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    Dr. Uffe Ravnskov: There is no evidence that too much animal fat and cholesterol in the diet promotes atherosclerosis
    http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol/

    Loren Cordain: But to unequivocally say that saturated fats do not cause atherosclerosis, is sheer folly. We know that they do.
    http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2010/...er-march-25th/

    You tell em, Cordain!



    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    This interview includes Loren’s opinion that saturated fats DO increase plaque in the arteries.

    They had only eaten what Steve Phinney had suggested people eat–fat and protein–and significant atherosclerosis in a 53 year old Inuit woman

    They had a lot of plaque in their arteries, they had hardening of the arteries, but did that mean they had a heart attack?

    No!
    Why didn't Cordain even speak about how Eskimos had high rates of stroke? Totally irresponsible for him to not bring that up, borderlining on criminal.

    Extensive atherosclerosis was in the older woman, who was 30. All three of them were osteoporotic. They were severely osteoporotic on that type of diet. So you can give this to people who claim that all we need to eat is meat and fat.
    At least he agrees the Eskimo diet that low carbers love to hail was total crap.

    A high carbohydrate diet combined with a high saturated fat diet is even worse.
    Glad even he realizes that. People were healthy on a high carb diet --Blue Zones diet is proof--until people started combing too much saturated fat to their high carb diets.

    We realize that trans fats are not good for us, and junk food potato chips are not healthy foods.
    Potato chips are junk food because they are fried in oil. Don't blame the low fat potatoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I can get all the things my body needs out of my food without having to take supplements (with the possible exception of vitamin D which doesn't come from foods)
    What supplements did you have to take on your vegetarian diet besides D?

    That is the only issue I've ever had with Mark Scisson, is that he treats the vegans and vegetarians like the enemy instead of the SAD.
    Because those diets mean less money for him.

    The OP is basically doing the same thing in reverse.
    No, I agree SAD is the worse diet, followed closely by low carb diets.

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