New Thursday Poll (PPP) shows Trump imploding...Rand decision premature?

[gee_blee]

Don't waste anymore time on this.

Rand is not going to win presidential election in 2016.

He never was.

But he could've been in this next debate, with another huge audience, and made it to the final four (which will immediately follow NH), with many more widely-seen debates to come.

That's how you wake people up and help change the culture. And help pave the way for an Amash in four or eight years.

[derek4ever]

Has there ever been a case where a presidential candidate drops out early and then has his name put into nomination as a compromise pick during a brokered convention? I remember watching an episode of west wing where the dems had no nominee and this guy by the name of baker (played by the same al bundy character) nominates himself as a compromise pick after he dropped out after NH. It's almost impossible, i know, but it would be encouraging!

[PCKY]

I have a feeling that the KY race will be entertaining, more entertaining then the general election. The guy they are sending in is probably hand picked to run against him and will undoubtedly even get support/endorsements from Clinton/Sanders. He seems to check all the "boxes" like Marco Rubio does for republicans.

Maybe not so much? It appears he has two Primary challengers. One from Louisville and one from Lexington. That's bad!

[erowe1]

Has there ever been a case where a presidential candidate drops out early and then has his name put into nomination as a compromise pick during a brokered convention? I remember watching an episode of west wing where the dems had no nominee and this guy by the name of baker (played by the same al bundy character) nominates himself as a compromise pick after he dropped out after NH. It's almost impossible, i know, but it would be encouraging!

You would have to go back to Harding's nomination in 1920 for something similar to that. On the first ballot at the convention he had less than 7% of the delegates. And he ended up winning the nomination with 70% of them on the 10th ballot. I don't think he actually dropped out though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_R...nal_Convention

[Occam's Banana]

It's weird that Rand polls at 5% in a national poll, the highest he's been in quite a while, right after he dropped out of the race. Perhaps he should've stayed in a little bit longer.

Maybe he got a boost from all the coverage of him dropping out of the race ...

[JK/SEA]

OK..looks it will be President Clinton, because whomever gets the repub. nom, they will not win without the Liberty Wing...

wash, rinse , repeat......

[Lucille]

Maybe he got a boost from all the coverage of him dropping out of the race ...

I noticed that yesterday. For the first time, Rand Paul was all over the news!

[erowe1]

Maybe he got a boost from all the coverage of him dropping out of the race ...

He's definitely had more positive coverage since doing that than he got throughout the rest of his campaign.

[derek4ever]

I noticed that yesterday. For the first time, Rand Paul was all over the news!

Maybe he should've considered stretching it for a while

[PCKY]

I have a feeling that the KY race will be entertaining, more entertaining then the general election. The guy they are sending in is probably hand picked to run against him and will undoubtedly even get support/endorsements from Clinton/Sanders. He seems to check all the "boxes" like Marco Rubio does for republicans.

The national DNC destroyed the Democratic Party in KY. Our beloved Commonwealth is not that much into diversity, and Louisville, in particular, and Lexington both tend to forget that there are other areas of the state that vote and don't appreciate the diverse lifestyle. Northern KY is very conservative as are pockets of Eastern Ky.

[r3volution 3.0]

I think I want Trump to win the nomination, and then get $#@!ing annihilated by the Clinton Machine (of which he's an employee..).

...I can think of no better way for the **********s to learn a lesson.

Because, keep in mind, Trump will go but these $#@!tard voters will remain.

[P3ter_Griffin]

I think I want Trump to win the nomination, and then get $#@!ing annihilated by the Clinton Machine (of which he's an employee..).

...I can think of no better way for the **********s to learn a lesson.

Because, keep in mind, Trump will go but these $#@!tard voters will remain.

I wonder if these folks could be courted by vehemently opposing forced integration/association laws. They have obviously over stepped the bounds of protecting private property in supporting Trump, but is it the forced integration that has gotten them to the point of voting for Trump? And thus rectifying that would quell their authoritarian desires?

[nikcers]

I wonder if these folks could be courted by vehemently opposing forced integration/association laws. They have obviously over stepped the bounds of protecting private property in supporting Trump, but is it the forced integration that has gotten them to the point of voting for Trump? And thus rectifying that would quell their authoritarian desires?

I think it's the government bullying that people want retribution for. People think that Trump will bully government into being nice to them. Trumps next book is going to be Businessman Bully Goes to Washington.

[r3volution 3.0]

I wonder if these folks could be courted by vehemently opposing forced integration/association laws. They have obviously over stepped the bounds of protecting private property in supporting Trump, but is it the forced integration that has gotten them to the point of voting for Trump? And thus rectifying that would quell their authoritarian desires?

Some of them, perhaps.

But most want the Mexicans/Arabs gone, period, and have no interest in any other 'solution' (the problem is an invention to justify that solution, you see).

And, anyway, one could never win a general election on that platform.

[nikcers]

Some of them, perhaps.

But most want the MAGIC, and have no interest in reality

And, anyway, one could never win a general election on that platform.

FTFY- Trump is going to go full socialism/populism after Iowa. No more fake Jesus stuff, or anything like that. Sanders lost Iowa in the same way Trump did, he was supposed to wipe the floor with Clinton (even though that was her strongest state) the media script of the Sanders surge is over now and he is going to lose NH. Trump is going to try to pick up Bernie Sanders supporters though, its going to be funny to watch the trolls go full circle.

[CPUd]

Sanders plays an important role for Hillary and the party. He makes the race look competitive, and is keeping all the anti-Hillary vote from crossing over into the GOP where they would likely stay for the general election.

[WQuantrill]

I wonder if these folks could be courted by vehemently opposing forced integration/association laws. They have obviously over stepped the bounds of protecting private property in supporting Trump, but is it the forced integration that has gotten them to the point of voting for Trump? And thus rectifying that would quell their authoritarian desires?

The Trump coalition is wide and varied, as was Ron's. The system has hurt people in very profound ways and they are congregating around Trump. The ascension of Trump signals that the key social adhesive known as trust is rapidly leaving the public.

Some want to see the rotten system burn.
Some want to see Trump punish their enemies.
Some want a non-politician who doesn't have an R or D next to their name.
Some see Trump as the embodiment of the great pushback to globalism. Why should some bureaucrat in Brussels determine policy in the U.S?
Some are deluded enough to think America can be resuscitated and made GREAT AGAIN!

[nikcers]

The Trump coalition is wide and varied, as was Ron's. The system has hurt people in very profound ways and they are congregating around Trump.

Some want to see the rotten system burn.
Some want to see Trump punish their enemies.
Some see Trump as the embodiment of the great pushback to globalism. Why should some bureaucrat in Brussels determine policy in the U.S?
Some are deluded enough to think America can be resuscitated and made GREAT AGAIN!

This is why he hit his floor of support though too, he now is going to move center and start stealing Sanders support. I bet you their echo chambers are full of sock puppet accounts.

[r3volution 3.0]

FTFY- Trump is going to go full socialism/populism after Iowa. No more fake Jesus stuff, or anything like that. Sanders lost Iowa in the same way Trump did, he was supposed to wipe the floor with Clinton (even though that was her strongest state) the media script of the Sanders surge is over now and he is going to lose NH. Trump is going to try to pick up Bernie Sanders supporters though, its going to be funny to watch the trolls go full circle.

If he goes far enough, the GOP might split.

Either way, Hillary will win the most overwhelming Democratic landslide since 1936...

...might as well get a viable third party out of it.

[alucard13mm]

FTFY- Trump is going to go full socialism/populism after Iowa. No more fake Jesus stuff, or anything like that. Sanders lost Iowa in the same way Trump did, he was supposed to wipe the floor with Clinton (even though that was her strongest state) the media script of the Sanders surge is over now and he is going to lose NH. Trump is going to try to pick up Bernie Sanders supporters though, its going to be funny to watch the trolls go full circle.

Santorum won Iowa.. Cruz won Iowa.. Both pandered to the evangelicals in Iowa with their pretend jesus values and god fearing.

[nikcers]

Santorum won Iowa.. Cruz won Iowa.. Both pandered to the evangelicals in Iowa with their pretend jesus values and god fearing.

yeah, everyone did pander to evangelicals, the difference being is Trump is a vindictive nihilist. He said that if Iowa doesn't pick him then he will never come back, he hates Iowa, he wants Iowa to burn. Trumps golden rule is if someone screws you, you screw them harder.

[PCKY]

He wouldn't have gotten into the next debate, and after a bottom finish in NH and SC, no momentum at all.

Reality is he made the right decision.

In an interview with Carly Fiorina, who has been officially cut from the debate, a panelist asked if she could take Rand's spot since he was out but had made the debate. I never saw anything that qualified Rand for the debate with a 5th place in Iowa and low NH/national polls.
Has anyone seen that Rand would have made the debate?

[gee_blee]

In an interview with Carly Fiorina, who has been officially cut from the debate, a panelist asked if she could take Rand's spot since he was out but had made the debate. I never saw anything that qualified Rand for the debate with a 5th place in Iowa and low NH/national polls.
Has anyone seen that Rand would have made the debate?

Yes, he finished 5th in the most recent and only national poll since the last debate/Iowa caucus, and he's also 6th in the average of the five most recent national polls. If ABC/RNC chose those polls (they have the discretion), based on the announced criteria, he'd be in. As an added credential, he finished 5th in Iowa - ahead of three other candidates who will be at the debate.

Interesting that several other candidates are vocal in supporting Carly's inclusion, while they were silent when Rand was excluded last month.

Anyway, I believe Rand would've made this debate and that, therefore, he made a HUGE mistake by dropping out. He had nothing to lose, and everything to gain, by waiting 36 hours for the debate lineup announcement, and by attending that debate if invited.

And it's very likely that after NH Kasich, Bush, Carson, Christie and Fiorina will drop out, meaning Rand could've been one of only four standing at the SC debate.

[randbot16]

Yeah, I am really starting to wonder why the sudden drop out. He'd be on the debate stage and has a good chance in NH. WTF. It would be down to him, Cruz, Rubio, Trump and maybe Bush very soon, and he would be the OBVIOUS true-outsider choice. WTF WTF WTF. This better have not been the result of some deal with GOP leadership.

Maybe someone sent him a picture from JFK's autopsy or something.

[gee_blee]

Yeah, I am really starting to wonder why the sudden drop out. He'd be on the debate stage and has a good chance in NH. WTF. It would be down to him, Cruz, Rubio, Trump and maybe Bush very soon, and he would be the OBVIOUS true-outsider choice. WTF WTF WTF. This better have not been the result of some deal with GOP leadership.

Maybe someone sent him a picture from JFK's autopsy or something.

Yep, the decision may be for a reason(s) other than lack of funds. But if it's only about funds and 'viability', HUGE mistake.

As long as you can make a debate stage with an audience of 15 million, you take advantage of the opportunity to spread the liberty message, even if you have to reduce your campaign expenses to a flight and a toothbrush.

[PCKY]

Yes, he finished 5th in the most recent and only national poll since the last debate/Iowa caucus, and he's also 6th in the average of the five most recent national polls. If ABC/RNC chose those polls (they have the discretion), based on the announced criteria, he'd be in. As an added credential, he finished 5th in Iowa - ahead of three other candidates who will be at the debate.

Interesting that several other candidates are vocal in supporting Carly's inclusion, while they were silent when Rand was excluded last month.

Anyway, I believe Rand would've made this debate and that, therefore, he made a HUGE mistake by dropping out. He had nothing to lose, and everything to gain, by waiting 36 hours for the debate lineup announcement, and by attending that debate if invited.

And it's very likely that after NH Kasich, Bush, Carson, Christie and Fiorina will drop out, meaning Rand could've been one of only four standing at the SC debate.

Bush is not dropping until after SC. W made an ad for that market that is in release now. If he tanks there I think he will skip the SEC. SC is supposed to be Jeb!World.

[PCKY]

Yeah, I am really starting to wonder why the sudden drop out. He'd be on the debate stage and has a good chance in NH. WTF. It would be down to him, Cruz, Rubio, Trump and maybe Bush very soon, and he would be the OBVIOUS true-outsider choice. WTF WTF WTF. This better have not been the result of some deal with GOP leadership.

Maybe someone sent him a picture from JFK's autopsy or something.

Maybe this is a colossal screw up from Stafford. He was making the case that Rand should be included based upon IA, even though it clearly made no sense that ABC would even consider it. I did see a NH poll on Tues that had Rand at 2%. I didn't really look at the big picture though.
If the strategy was solely counting on the youth vote, given their underperformance in IA, and Bernie's domination in NH, and the campaign coffers were near empty (remember, he's had to borrow from his Senate campaign funds to support the presidential race and McConnel has been fundraising for him) then I could see his strategy. The youth who are willing to vote seem to be in Bernie's camp.
There was also the break-in at the NH headquarters.
But not being in the debate was one of three reasons why NH seemed not viable and without that momentum SC and the SEC weren't either.

[PCKY]

I wonder if Rand got a call from Mitch on Monday night???? It would be like getting a call from Tony Soprano. Mitch is a scary guy.