New Thursday Poll (PPP) shows Trump imploding...Rand decision premature?

[gee_blee]

PPP on Thursday will announce a new post-Iowa national poll showing:

Trump 25% (-9 from last PPP poll)
Cruz 21% (+3)
Rubio 21% (+8)

I believe the Trump act is starting to wear thin. He's imploding as short-attention-span-America tires of the novelty. This could be a two-man race in no time. (Clearly, the establishment/media is all-in for Rubio, as I predicted two years ago, and therefore he's the clear favorite.)

As such, Rand's voice could've been much more exposed much sooner than expected. I wish he had the stomach to continue with a bare-bones campaign and snag a spot as the 3rd or 4th wheel on future debate stages as the deck reshuffles and the field quickly whittles.

It's not about winning. It never was. It's about continuing to change the culture ("start brushfires") in a more libertarian direction, and a presence on that stage only fosters that. Winning follows.

[spikel]

I really wish he had stayed in and I cant see why he didn't!

[Chester Copperpot]

I really wish he had stayed in and I cant see why he didn't!

he has a senate seat to worry about this year

[FSP-Rebel]

As we all said, nat'l polls mean nothing when Trump is running into NH @ 38% and Curz is mostly @ 14% at this point with the Rube a few points under. This primary is what will propel Trump into the south and the SEC contests ftw and beyond. It is what it is.

[nikcers]

I have a feeling that the KY race will be entertaining, more entertaining then the general election. The guy they are sending in is probably hand picked to run against him and will undoubtedly even get support/endorsements from Clinton/Sanders. He seems to check all the "boxes" like Marco Rubio does for republicans.

[Nye]

He should've stayed in past NH.

[wetroof]

I thought his senate challenger was gay? Also Rand should not have stayed in. He has done enough, but admittedly not done enough that was effective.

[trey4sports]

it would have been futile. Regardless of the candidates implosion he would have been stuck at <5% because the media wouldn't even mention his name.

[nikcers]

it would have been futile. Regardless of the candidates implosion he would have been stuck at <5% because the media wouldn't even mention his name.

If you are playing the Donald Trump drinking game then congratulations you are an alcoholic.

[gee_blee]

As we all said, nat'l polls mean nothing when Trump is running into NH @ 38% and Curz is mostly @ 14% at this point with the Rube a few points under. This primary is what will propel Trump into the south and the SEC contests ftw and beyond. It is what it is.

Rubio is rising. It's inevitable. He's their golden boy.

And Trump will likely fade quick. The bloom is off the rose. Skipping that debate was the stupidest campaign move ever. Even if Trump wins NH, it won't be by 20 points with 38%. It'll be much closer, so the media will portray it as a loss, which will further accelerate his implosion. He will drop like a rock. He will whine as only he can. Then his support will go to Rubio.

[gee_blee]

I have a feeling that the KY race will be entertaining, more entertaining then the general election. The guy they are sending in is probably hand picked to run against him and will undoubtedly even get support/endorsements from Clinton/Sanders. He seems to check all the "boxes" like Marco Rubio does for republicans.

Anything's possible, but I doubt a gay mayor in Kentucky will pose a serious challenge to Rand, who is very popular there.

[CPUd]

he has a senate seat to worry about this year

He could start campaigning in September and still win by at least 10 points. Rand has his reasons for dropping out, the Senate race was way down on that list.

[bronc_fan23]

He wouldn't have gotten into the next debate, and after a bottom finish in NH and SC, no momentum at all.

Reality is he made the right decision.

[TheNewYorker]

Rand had no chance. Liberty is not popular.

[idiom]

It's not about winning. It never was. It's about continuing to change the culture ("start brushfires") in a more libertarian direction, and a presence on that stage only fosters that. Winning follows.

For once it actually was.

We aren't starting brush-fires anymore, we are electing them. We need more of them at local, state, and national levels.

Rand can focus on supporting newcomers.

[jmdrake]

As we all said, nat'l polls mean nothing when Trump is running into NH @ 38% and Curz is mostly @ 14% at this point with the Rube a few points under. This primary is what will propel Trump into the south and the SEC contests ftw and beyond. It is what it is.

The evangelical dynamics that worked against Trump in Iowa will be even harder on him in the South. To be honest I have no idea why nobody has started running TV commercial of Donald Trump kissing Rudy Giuliani in drag. That would kill the Trump campaign. That and someone needs to start running TV ads quoting from page 102 of Trump's book "The America We Deserve" where he calls for a ban on assault rifles. Trump acting like a crybaby after losing Iowa is hurting him all over talk radio right now. The meme is "Trump is thin skinned." (It's a good thing Ron Paul didn't contest the Iowa results in 2012 like some here wanted him to do.) I bet Trump is imploding in New Hampshire. Regardless a big win in New Hampshire will not "propel" him anywhere. He's already expected to win New Hampshire so it won't cause any big news stir. New Hampshire is no more important than Iowa. It's quirky left just like Iowa is quirky right. Between the two you get somewhat of a picture of a cross section of voters. When a candidate wins both he or she is pretty much a shoe in to win the nomination. When he only wins one, it's kind of meaningless. Hillary won (barely) Iowa. She'll lose (massively) in New Hampshire. That doesn't mean Bernie Sanders is guaranteed to be the democrat nominee. (Though I do hope he beats Hillary. For one thing I can't stand her. For another her Syria policy is why we have ISIS. And for a third Sanders can actually beat the GOP nominee and Hillary with all her baggage cannot. If we get president Trump or Cruz we're stuck with them, at least from a GOP nomination point of view, for 8 years.)

[69360]

It doesn't matter. Those leaving Trump wouldn't have gone to Rand anyway. Still I hope Trump goes away sooner than later. Doesn't he have a new TV season to do or something?

[Mike4Freedom]

The evangelical dynamics that worked against Trump in Iowa will be even harder on him in the South. To be honest I have no idea why nobody has started running TV commercial of Donald Trump kissing Rudy Giuliani in drag. That would kill the Trump campaign. That and someone needs to start running TV ads quoting from page 102 of Trump's book "The America We Deserve" where he calls for a ban on assault rifles. Trump acting like a crybaby after losing Iowa is hurting him all over talk radio right now. The meme is "Trump is thin skinned."

The reason why they have not talked about that too much is that trump was useful to them. The media and other campaigns will now start to mention this more. The kissing guiliani in drag, the pro chioce, the anti gun, the pro national health care positions will all come out of the word work. With Rand dropping out before NH the media is going to start tearing people down, besides rubio of course.

[Origanalist]

It doesn't matter. Those leaving Trump wouldn't have gone to Rand anyway. Still I hope Trump goes away sooner than later. Doesn't he have a new TV season to do or something?

I really don't care at this point if he (Trump) stays or goes, I have no dog in this hunt. The consensus here seems to be Rand did the right thing dropping out early, I don't see it myself but it's his decision to make.

[Mr.NoSmile]

Well, premature or not, fact is Paul isn't in the race anymore, so his standing in the polls isn't relevant anymore when he's not running now.

[YoBabyYoBabyYo]

Good luck guys, all of you have been predicting the Trump implosion since July. Not gonna happen, Can't Stump The Trump! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MKH6PAoUuD0

[EBounding]

Good luck guys, all of you have been predicting the Trump implosion since July.

Trump lost in Iowa a few days ago.

[vita3]

Don't waste anymore time on this.

Rand is not going to win presidential election in 2016.

[YoBabyYoBabyYo]

Big deal, Cruz had to cheat to win there. Anyways Trump will win NH and SC with ease.

[EBounding]

I think Trump will fall to 2nd place with Rubio winning NH--NH polls change fast. Trump's weakness has been that his inevitability and greatness is only perception since actual votes are proving that not to be the case. SC, the state that elects Lindsey Graham, will have no problem voting for Rubio either.

[YoBabyYoBabyYo]

I can't wait until Wednesday of next week to prove you wrong!

[Origanalist]

I can't wait until Wednesday of next week to prove you wrong!

Because he's going to make "Murica Great Again! Amirite? Somebody give me a hell ya!!!!!

[rprprs]

I have a feeling that the KY race will be entertaining, more entertaining then the general election. The guy they are sending in is probably hand picked to run against him and will undoubtedly even get support/endorsements from Clinton/Sanders. He seems to check all the "boxes" ....

I thought his senate challenger was gay? ....

Like nikcers said... he checks ALL the boxes.

[willwash]

Trump is far, far, far from out of this race, especially after he wins NH with double the vote of the nearest competition

[erowe1]

I really wish he had stayed in and I cant see why he didn't!

Because staying in would have required him to concentrate his time and effort on something unproductive rather than countless other better things he could be doing for the next few months.