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    I've met Lance personally, and he's a cool guy. Way past his prime, but still quite fit.

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    If you train real intense no matter what sport you may find my article on protein interesting. Wrote a few years ago but not published.

    Protein Supplements
    Protein: The MMA Athlete’s Secret Weapon!
    More than most other sports with the possible exception of an Iron Man competition or a marathon, mixed martial arts (MMA) requires both extreme mental acumen and great physical strength. Competitors cannot succeed without these. You have to be one tough dude (or crazy!) to get into the ring and fight with the intensity of a silverback gorilla on 32 ounces of espresso.
    The regimen of a serious fighter begins not in the gym but in the kitchen; nutrition is the all-important first step. You eat to live and you must eat to win! Begin with protein; proteins make hormones, enzymes, structural proteins, transport proteins, and antibodies. Everything is made of proteins and without the essential ones (amino acids), your fighting days will be over long before they start.
    Proteins As Pre- and Post- Workout Aids
    Little is written about the importance of proteins as pre- and post-workout training aids. The emphasis is on carbs but it’s actually the proteins that give your muscles explosive power. During intense MMA-style activity, the main proteins used are branched chain amino acids (BCAA’s), Leucine, Isoleucine and Valine. They account for 70% of the amino acids used by the human body during and after intense activity. They provide energy, stimulate muscle growth, and promote quick recovery.
    Researchers have shown that - when protein is included in an extreme pre-workout regimen – there is a 150% increase in the retention of amino acids after the workout vs. what happens when carbohydrates are the main component of the pre-workout regimen. Consuming protein 2 hours before training is critical to any intense, result-producing workouts. Competitors who take their training seriously are diligent about taking a protein supplement high in BCAA’s before and after their training.
    Leucine, isoleucine and valine are the MMA fighter’s natural steroids! When I was training “hard”, I loaded up on them. Although I was not a fighter, I was powerful. Some of my best lifts included 300-pound head bangers (triceps extensions) and 265-cheat barbell curls for 6 reps each.
    After extreme activity, protein synthesis is at its highest, and the first 45 minutes are critical. There is a strong need for supplemental protein to help replace the protein that was lost. A Vanderbilt University study showed that athletes who consumed protein right after an intense exercise experienced protein synthesis that was 3 times higher than those who consumed protein three hours after finishing their training! Not having protein immediately after your workout will negatively affect your progress.
    Immediately after an intense workout, human growth hormone and testosterone levels are elevated; doing anything that would hamper this would be counterproductive. Research presented at The Endocrine Society’s 91st Annual Meeting in Washington D.C indicated that fast-acting carbohydrates can cause a man’s testosterone level to drop by as much as 25 percent. Most fighters consume foods that are rapidly digested into sugar as the main part of their diet (e.g., cereals, corn hidden as malto-dextrin, potatoes, bread, pasta, sweets, energy drinks and rice) and these lower testosterone. Eating too much sugar or fast-acting carbs means instead of fighting you’ll be fight-less!
    You depleted your carbohydrates when you trained and they need to be replenished but if taken after a fight or heavy workout, they will suppress your natural elevation growth hormone and testosterone. Both hormones are critical for anyone who wants to be a butt-kicking star. Testosterone gives you drive and aggressiveness; without it you would be a girlie boy and growth hormones speed healing and recovery, allowing for tougher, more frequent workouts and matches!
    Rating Protein Values
    It’s important your body can tolerate the type of protein you select, i.e., some people are allergic to milk sugars, soy, egg, and a whole variety of other things. When you select your source, you need to determine how effective it will be in helping you reach your training/competition goal. A number of rating systems have been set up to do this and each has its own method of determining protein value. I have listed 4 that are commonly used.
    4 Methods of Evaluating Proteins
    1. Biological Value (BV) - a measure of the proportion of protein absorbed. The higher the BV score, the more usable the protein.
    2. Protein Digestibility Corrected Amino Acid Score (PDCAAS) - is a method of evaluating the quality of the protein and your ability to digest it. It’s based on amino acid requirements. A score of 1 means it meets all the essential amino acid needs.
    3. Net Protein Utilization (NPU) - is the amount of protein utilized by the body.
    4. Protein Efficiency (PER) - is based on the weight gain of a test subject divided by his intake of a particular protein during the test period.

    Biological Values of Different Protein Sources
    Source B.V. P.E.R. N.P.U. PDCAAS
    Whey Protein 104 3.6 92 1.0
    Whole Egg 100 3.8 94 1.0
    Beef 80 2.0 73 .92
    Casein 77 2.9 76 1.0
    Soy 74 2.1 61 .99
    Rice 59 2.0 57 .26
    Bean 49 1.4 39 .68
    Note: The higher the number shown in these columns, the better
    your body uses the protein.

    Comparing Protein Values: The Pros and Cons
    Whey Protein – Concentrate/Isolate
    Whey protein is a by-product of cheese making. About 20% of the protein in milk is whey and 80% is casein. Concentrate is between 70% and 85% protein and contains lactose. Isolate which is higher than concentrate in protein (about 90% to 95%) is a better choice than concentrate if you have lactose problems.
    Pros:
    1. One of the highest quality proteins and has the highest biological value of all proteins (104)
    2. Digests fast and won't leave you feeling full
    3. Bolsters immune health from certain protein components
    4. High in the BCAA’s which can be used for muscular fuel and important for intense MMA training. BCAA’s prevent muscle loss.
    5. Isolate is better than concentrate.

    Cons:
    1. Faster digestion leads to quicker need to replenish.
    2. Lower in glutamine than casein. While glutamine is not essential, it helps speed recovery and healing from extreme activity. When higher amounts of glutamine are taken, there may be an increase in plasma HGH, preventing muscle breakdown and loss. Glutamine is sometimes added to products.
    Score- 200.6 – Excellent

    Caseinate (casein)
    Casein is the main protein in milk.
    Pros:
    1. Breakdown of caseinate is 'slow'; it’s released over a period of time. This may extend exposure of casein and increase absorption of protein in the intestines. Has a PDCAAS of 1, tied with whey and egg.
    2. Low in milk sugar/lactose
    3. Has naturally high glutamine content, the highest among the popular forms like whey, soy or egg. Along with whey and egg, casein is one of the best proteins with a PDCAA score of 1.
    Cons:
    1. Allergies to caseinate protein or lactose
    2. Possible suppression of immune system

    Score- 162.9 – Very Good
    Egg Protein (whole egg)
    Until whey protein, egg protein had the highest BV (100), NPU and PER. All other proteins were matched and rated against eggs.
    Pros:
    1. Excellent amino acid profile
    2. High in BCAA
    3. Lactose free
    4. High in the BCAA leucine which improves muscle protein synthesis
    5. Absorbed rather slowly, providing a timed release mix of amino acids. By staying in the bloodstream longer, it increases utilization.
    Cons:
    1. Slightly bitter taste
    2. People unjustifiably perceive it as high in cholesterol; however the bad rap on eggs comes from the yolks, not the egg whites. Protein powders use egg white.
    Score- 198.8 - Excellent- Great choice for individuals who are lactose intolerant and need an alternative to milk protein
    Soy Protein
    Soy protein is processed from the soybean plant. Most of the fat, fiber and carbohydrates are removed. Since it is a vegetable product, it has no cholesterol.
    Pros:
    1. High in glutamine, about the same as casein. Glutamine is needed to speed up healing and recovery for intense training.
    2. The only plant-based protein with bragging rights; it has all 8 essential amino acids.
    3. Excellent for individuals with egg and dairy allergies
    Cons:
    1. Lower quality protein due to limited amounts of essential amino acids
    2. Lower BCAA makes it a less beneficial protein than whey or milk proteins for building muscle.
    3. Taste compares unfavorably to that of whey or casein
    Score- 138.9 – Good
    Next Step: The Protein Evolution
    To offset the weaknesses of each protein, many companies are beginning to explore combining protein mixes. In the case of whey, it digests quickly so it needs to be replaced sooner. Combining both whey and casein produces a blend that raises amino acid levels quicker and stays in the bloodstream longer.
    The same applies to plant-based proteins like soy which has its own problems; it’s difficult to digest, some people are allergic to it and it has a bad taste. Combining plant proteins like hemp, peas, quinoa, rice and others offers a vegetable protein blend that contains all essential amino acids, is high in BCAA and can be digested more easily with the addition of enzymes often found in today’s products. The only drawback for vegetarian-minded athletes who want high performance and plant-based protein is that combining proteins dramatically increases the cost. This should come down as more combinations are made available.
    Making your choice
    Base your choice on what fits your budget and your body. One word of advice: even if it’s more expensive, the results will make your training more productive and your victories more frequent.
    Lance Dreher, PhD
    Former 1981 IFBB Mr. Universe
    1986 NABBA Pro Mr. Universe
    Exercise Advisor to Chuck Liddell – JackRack.com
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    Dat formatting doe
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    LOL, brotein.

    I'll give you the truth:

    [Steriods]: The MMA Athlete’s Secret Weapon!

    More than most other sports with the possible exception of an Iron Man competition or a marathon, mixed martial arts (MMA) requires both extreme mental acumen and great physical strength. Competitors cannot succeed without these.
    Yoel Romero fails out of competition drug test - http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/1/12...tion-drug-test
    Anderson Silva failed additional drug test in relation to UFC 183 - http://mmajunkie.com/2015/02/sources...ion-to-ufc-183
    Hector Lombard failed UFC 182 drug test - http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/2/10...-182-drug-test
    Chael Sonnen fails second drug test - http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/6/28...or-hgh-and-epo

    MMA Fighters Who've Hurt Their Careers with Failed Drug Tests (steriods-related): Stephan Bonnar, Josh Barnett, Alistair Overeem, Rafael Cavalcante, King Mo, Cyborg Santos, Sean Sherk, Tim Sylvia, Kimo Leopoldo, Chris Leben, Royce Gracie, Nate Marquardt, Lavar Johnson, Thiago Silva - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...led-drug-tests

    Comprehensive List Of UFC Fighter Drug Test Failures - http://www.bjpenn.com/mmanews/compre...test-failures/

    Lance Dreher, PhD
    Former 1981 IFBB Mr. Universe
    1986 NABBA Pro Mr. Universe
    This Lance guy who's peddling this Brotein bull$#@! was a pro body builder, aka a former steroids junkie. Now he's a con artist trying to take advantage of the gullible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    LOL, brotein.

    I'll give you the truth:



    Yoel Romero fails out of competition drug test - http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/1/12...tion-drug-test
    Anderson Silva failed additional drug test in relation to UFC 183 - http://mmajunkie.com/2015/02/sources...ion-to-ufc-183
    Hector Lombard failed UFC 182 drug test - http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/2/10...-182-drug-test
    Chael Sonnen fails second drug test - http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/6/28...or-hgh-and-epo

    MMA Fighters Who've Hurt Their Careers with Failed Drug Tests (steriods-related): Stephan Bonnar, Josh Barnett, Alistair Overeem, Rafael Cavalcante, King Mo, Cyborg Santos, Sean Sherk, Tim Sylvia, Kimo Leopoldo, Chris Leben, Royce Gracie, Nate Marquardt, Lavar Johnson, Thiago Silva - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...led-drug-tests

    Comprehensive List Of UFC Fighter Drug Test Failures - http://www.bjpenn.com/mmanews/compre...test-failures/


    This Lance guy who's peddling this Brotein bull$#@! was a pro body builder, aka a former steroids junkie. Now he's a con artist trying to take advantage of the gullible.
    My supplement clearly states that it's "free of banned substances".

    BTW, it has the 3 BCAAs, plus 6 more essential and 9 non-essential amino acids.
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    Won't soy give you moobies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    LOL, brotein.

    I'll give you the truth:



    Yoel Romero fails out of competition drug test - http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/1/12...tion-drug-test
    Anderson Silva failed additional drug test in relation to UFC 183 - http://mmajunkie.com/2015/02/sources...ion-to-ufc-183
    Hector Lombard failed UFC 182 drug test - http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/2/10...-182-drug-test
    Chael Sonnen fails second drug test - http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/6/28...or-hgh-and-epo

    MMA Fighters Who've Hurt Their Careers with Failed Drug Tests (steriods-related): Stephan Bonnar, Josh Barnett, Alistair Overeem, Rafael Cavalcante, King Mo, Cyborg Santos, Sean Sherk, Tim Sylvia, Kimo Leopoldo, Chris Leben, Royce Gracie, Nate Marquardt, Lavar Johnson, Thiago Silva - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...led-drug-tests

    Comprehensive List Of UFC Fighter Drug Test Failures - http://www.bjpenn.com/mmanews/compre...test-failures/



    This Lance guy who's peddling this Brotein bull$#@! was a pro body builder, aka a former steroids junkie. Now he's a con artist trying to take advantage of the gullible.
    I've met him personally, and I can tell you this is false.

    WRT your bolded link, you clearly didn't read it. A number of them were busted for pot and "stimulants". Methinks you're full of $#@!. Piss off.
    Last edited by heavenlyboy34; 02-04-2016 at 01:23 AM.
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    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Won't soy give you moobies?
    some varieties boost estrogen and cause folks to grow moobies.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    BTW, it has the 3 BCAAs, plus 6 more essential and 9 non-essential amino acids.
    If you want to waste your money.



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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    I've met him personally, and I can tell you this is false.
    Because you're the expert judge of character? How do you think a snake oil salesmen would act?

    WRT your bolded link, you clearly didn't read it. A number of them were busted for pot and "stimulants". Methinks you're full of $#@!. Piss off.
    A handful in that one link failed because of pot and only one for stimulants. The vast majority on that long list failed because of steroids. You didn't even mention the other two groups I posted. Methinks you just don't want to hear the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    Because you're the expert judge of character? How do you think a snake oil salesmen would act?


    A handful in that one link failed because of pot and only one for stimulants. The vast majority on that long list failed because of steroids. You didn't even mention the other two groups I posted. Methinks you just don't want to hear the truth.
    The stupid is strong with this one. I'll pass and fight someone more worthy some other time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    The stupid is strong with this one. I'll pass and fight someone more worthy some other time.
    You post an advertisement from a former pro body builder (steriods junkie) who claims more protein is the secret weapon of MMA fighters use when almost all the top MMA fighters out there have been popped for steroids use. Was Lance Armstrong's secret Tour De France weapon protein too?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    You post an advertisement from a former pro body builder (steriods junkie) who claims more protein is the secret weapon of MMA fighters use when almost all the top MMA fighters out there have been popped for steroids use. Was Lance Armstrong's secret Tour De France weapon protein too?!
    Still stuck on stupid. Buh bye, troll.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
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    COSTCO sells a pretty good whey protein powder for really cheap made by Cytosport, the makers of Muscle Milk - 6 lbs. for $40

    I like it because it has good quality ingredients and only 9g of carbs per serving, and it is really cheap.

    I mix that with a higher quality, natural grass-fed whey protein powder that I buy from Amazon called Bodylogix Natural Whey Protein.

    http://www.amazon.com/Bodylogix-Natu...+grassfed+whey

    This protein powder is more bare bones - it has less additives, vitamins and such, but I like it because it is higher quality whey, it is only 3g of carbs and it is sweetened with stevia which is very healthy. It is more expensive, but it is cheap for a grass fed whey protein and I think it's a great value still.

    For those of you who don't like the taste of stevia, you may or may not like this one by itself, there is a slight stevia aftertaste but it's really not that bad and I still enjoy drinking it by itself, it has great flavor otherwise - but if you mix it with protein powder sweetened with cane sugar or whatever, you honestly will not be able to taste the stevia at all, I promise. Mixed together, these whey protein powders taste great, if taste is important to you.. it is not really important to me, but this mix happens to taste great and I think overall the mix is a great value.
    Last edited by dannno; 02-04-2016 at 02:01 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    COSTCO sells a pretty good whey protein powder for really cheap
    Why would someone on the paleo diet need to supplement with protein? Save your money!

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    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    Why would someone on the paleo diet need to supplement with protein? Save your money!
    lol.. save my money?? The protein powder is whey cheaper... gram for gram of protein compared to quality meats and even eggs, and that's the grass-fed protein powder. The COSTCO stuff is quite a bit cheaper. I have a friend who lifts who recommends 1g of protein per pound of bodyweight per day (pretty sure this recommendation is for people working out hard, daily), and he's not paleo, he is more of a slow carber.. I don't even eat that much protein in a day, although I get pretty close, but I also don't lift weights or workout as much as I'd like due to my work and life schedule..

    I use protein powder to supplement a meal if I'm not going to be eating for a while, or as an on-the-go mini-meal, after surfing and after workouts. Optimally I suppose I wouldn't really need it, but being paleo usually means cooking A LOT and unfortunately my schedule doesn't allow for me to be cooking three meals a day.. I always cook breakfast and I try and make two meals with dinner and save the leftovers so I don't have to cook every night, I can save some time an have a little more time to relax.

    I also add MCT oil to my protein shakes for some good fats.
    Last edited by dannno; 02-04-2016 at 02:35 PM.
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    I've met Lance personally, and he's a cool guy. Way past his prime, but still quite fit.
    So he's a hugger?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Won't soy give you moobies?
    That's why whey protein is more in demand now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    COSTCO sells a pretty good whey protein powder for really cheap made by Cytosport, the makers of Muscle Milk - 6 lbs. for $40
    My gym always has something on sale. 5lbs Muscle Milk for $29.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    lol.. save my money?? The protein powder is whey cheaper... gram for gram of protein compared to quality meats and even eggs, and that's the grass-fed protein powder.
    Then really save your money by just eating whey protein! But I guess that wouldn't be paleo because whey is a by-product of cheese.

    I don't even eat that much protein in a day
    How's that possible on a paleo diet? Do you only eat 1-2 meals a day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    How's that possible on a paleo diet? Do you only eat 1-2 meals a day?
    A man who weighs 185 pounds would have to eat the equivalent of a pound of steak plus 10 eggs a day. I'm not on a paleo diet. But that still seems like a pretty hefty amount to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    A man who weighs 185 pounds would have to eat the equivalent of a pound of steak plus 10 eggs a day. I'm not on a paleo diet. But that still seems like a pretty hefty amount to me.
    To get enough protein???

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    The stupid is strong with this one. I'll pass and fight someone more worthy some other time.
    he hates animal protein and evidently insists on arguing with people who consume it.. ... it reminds me of that scene of Steve Martin in "The Jerk" except just picture steaks instead of cans

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    My gym always has something on sale. 5lbs Muscle Milk for $29.
    Apparently the Cytosport has some better ingredients/additives in it, and it also has more protein per lb/serving. You gotta check the amount of protein/serving and total servings. I thought I had found a better deal on Muscle Milk on Amazon till I checked that out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    To get enough protein???
    That was for the 1g/lb of body weight requirement, which I believe is for people who are working out heavily, not your average couch potato.

    As far as whey being "paleo", the thing you have to understand is that there is no paleo(tm). It's more like a state of mind, man... But as I've explained before, Mark Scisson who calls his version of paleo "primal" advocates some grass-fed dairy as long as your system can handle it ok. I'm in that camp. Then there is also the whole 80/20 rule.
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

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