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    For Most Of Human History, Being An Omnivore Was No Dilemma

    http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/...was-no-dilemma

    If diet is destiny, then modern humans should thank our ancestors for their ability to eat just about anything.

    Two new studies peek into the distant past to try to figure out just how big a role food played in human evolution. One says that eating meat made it possible for early human mothers to wean babies earlier and have more children.

    The other study finds that humans and some other primates have stuck with being omnivores for a very long time. That's unlike many of our mammal friends, who used the omnivore lifestyle as a mere rest stop on the way from herbivore to carnivore.

    "Primates are a little bit weird," says Samantha Hopkins, an assistant professor of geology at the University of Oregon, who led the study that revealed primates' omnivorous ways. Most primates became omnivores early in their existence, and stayed put. "We seem to hang out in this omnivorous role."

    It's easy to imagine that there's an evolutionary advantage to being able to eat just about anything. Herbivores and carnivores have specialized teeth and digestive systems that make going back and forth practically impossible.

    For instance, carnivores are usually the first to go extinct when times are tough, because they depend on other animals for their food source.

    But there may be some evolutionary downside to being an omnivore, too Hopkins says. Namely, we're slow to diversify.

    It took three times longer for omnivores to diversify, compared to herbivores. Producing more varied species means producing more progeny, which is the name of the game in evolution.

    Hopkins and her colleagues found this out by scanning the literature for data on what 1,500 species of modern mammals eat. They gleaned it from field research by biologists, who sift through poop and examine stomach contents. It is not glamorous work.

    They then matched the animals' diets with the mammalian family tree, and traced back the branches. It's the first study to look at diet across all mammal group through evolutionary time. The study was published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

    The second study looked at how long modern mammals nurse their young. Researchers in Sweden compared the diet, brain size, and weaning times of 67 species. Humans breastfeed for 2 years on average, while chimpanzees, our closest relatives, nurse for four to five years.

    They found that all the animals stopped nursing when their brains hit a certain stage of development, regardless of diet. All the meat-eaters, including ferrets, killer whales, and humans, reached that point of brain development earlier than herbivores or omnivores, the researchers found. (They classified humans as carnivores based on the percentage of meat in the typical human diet.)

    Also, they conclude, the big difference in breast-feeding times between humans and other primates is due to the better nutrition provided to both mothers and babies by meat consumption. The study was published online in PlosOne.

    Big caveat: Both of these studies looked at the role of diet in evolution. They aren't a commentary on whether modern-day eating habits, carnivorous or not, are healthy.



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    Chester Copperpot
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    ok so who do you work for? have you ever wanted ron paul or rand paul to win anything?

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    Humans are omnivores, but thrive closer to herbivore. Same with our ape cousins. Sorry, paleo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chester Copperpot View Post
    ok so who do you work for? have you ever wanted ron paul or rand paul to win anything?
    What does that have to do with Rand Paul running for office?

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    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    Humans are omnivores, but thrive closer to herbivore. Same with our ape cousins. Sorry, paleo.
    You do realize it is possible to be vegetarian and paleo, right?

    I don't think it is optimal, I think optimally you would want to have meat in your diet.

    I think grains have their place - they are good for poor people who can't afford to eat quality nutritious foods and they are also good to store in case of emergency. But not good for optimal health.

    I personally have a few hundred pounds of rice stored.
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    Chester Copperpot
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    You do realize it is possible to be vegetarian and paleo, right?

    I don't think it is optimal, I think optimally you would want to have meat in your diet.

    I think grains have their place - they are good for poor people who can't afford to eat quality nutritious foods and they are also good to store in case of emergency. But not good for optimal health.

    I personally have a few hundred pounds of rice stored.
    I dont think that thought has ever occurred to him. He's blinded by his hate of animal protein. Its bad enough because I understand the problem with grains and bad omega6-to-omega3 ratios that somehow he figures im a paleo who abuses the atkins diet by eating pounds of bacon for breakfast and blocks of cheese for lunch.

    now excuse me while i make a big parsley salad for myself with - get ready for it - PARSLEY... just a big mother $#@!ing bowl of parsley...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    You do realize it is possible to be vegetarian and paleo, right? I don't think it is optimal
    My either, but there is a study showing a plant based low carb diet was much more healthier than an animal based diet low carb diet and even healthier than a regular diet!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmDUnFd6UX4

    So if you're going to stick with paleo, I recommend it be plant based paleo.

    I think optimally you would want to have meat in your diet.
    What's in meat you find so optimal? The only optimal thing I see in meat is long ago our biggest health concern was dying from starvation and meat is very calorie dense that would be helpful to avoid starvation.

    I think grains have their place - they are good for poor people who can't afford to eat quality nutritious foods and they are also good to store in case of emergency. But not good for optimal health.
    Every successful civilization based their diets around starches/grains. If the eskimo diet was so great, they'd have a thriving civilization, not just a surviving one and they wouldn't have artery hardening worse than non-eskimos.

    I personally have a few hundred pounds of rice stored.
    You should probably keep it after we debate a little while longer.

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    Pretty sure they mean PREhistory, not history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chester Copperpot View Post
    He's blinded by his hate of animal protein.
    And you're blinded by your love of animal protein.

    Just to let you know, it's not like I hate animal protein. It hates us.

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    Chester Copperpot
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    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    And you're blinded by your love of animal protein.

    Just to let you know, it's not like I hate animal protein. It hates us.
    tell us what happened? Did a steak fall out off the butcher's shelf and hit you in the head as a little kid or something? Did somebody torment you by putting a giant flounder in your swimming pool? Did you throw up curdled milk as a kid??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chester Copperpot View Post
    tell us what happened? Did a steak fall out off the butcher's shelf and hit you in the head as a little kid or something? Did somebody torment you by putting a giant flounder in your swimming pool? Did you throw up curdled milk as a kid??
    Sorry, I thought I was posting in the Personal Health & Well-Being forum, not the Diet Indulgence section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chester Copperpot View Post
    tell us what happened? Did a steak fall out off the butcher's shelf and hit you in the head as a little kid or something? Did somebody torment you by putting a giant flounder in your swimming pool? Did you throw up curdled milk as a kid??
    LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chester Copperpot View Post
    tell us what happened? Did a steak fall out off the butcher's shelf and hit you in the head as a little kid or something? Did somebody torment you by putting a giant flounder in your swimming pool? Did you throw up curdled milk as a kid??
    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    Sorry, I thought I was posting in the Personal Health & Well-Being forum, not the Diet Indulgence section.
    Don't get butt hurt, Ferrari, that was funny. I've seen you dish it out, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    I've seen you dish it out, too.
    Where?

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    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    Where?
    Off the top of my head, making fun of HB34's brotein. You're a little smartassy. I didn't mean that as an insult, btw. As a matter of fact, I kinda enjoy it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Off the top of my head, making fun of HB34's brotein. You're a little smartassy. I didn't mean that as an insult, btw. As a matter of fact, I kinda enjoy it.
    Ah yes, the brotein thread. But I wasn't making fun of HB34. I was showing everyone what kind of snake oil salesman huckster that ex-pro juice head body builder was he posted about. HB34 sure took offense to me trying to save his money and his health.



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    For Most Of Human History, Being An Omnivore Was No Dilemma
    There still isn't. Paleo =/= carnivore.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.



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