Insanity: doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results

[Tod]

Now that Rand has bowed out, can we finally discuss the immorality of helping to choose someone to rule our neighbors?

[Cabal]

Unfortunately, most people will continue to cling to their unrealistic expectations of, and misplaced faith in the State's political system.

[juleswin]

Now that Rand has bowed out, can we finally discuss the immorality of helping to choose someone to rule our neighbors?

Do you only take pain meds only when its guaranteed to take all the pain away? Yea, the pain would most likely not ever going to go away but I don't think its an insane idea to employ methods which might alleviate said pain.

Also do you have a better idea than what we are doing?

[euphemia]

This is why we need to keep talking and be loud about it. The people who demand to represent us in Washington need to get the message loud and clear that we are fed up and are not going to support the status quo.

Rand is just one guy. There are many of us who embrace ideals of personal liberty and limited government. Maybe we need to start throwing our efforts into getting bad Senators and Congressmen out of office. Start in Tennessee. Alexander, Corker, and Cooper need to go.

[jmdrake]

Do you only take pain meds only when its guaranteed to take all the pain away? Yea, the pain would most likely not ever going to go away but I don't think its an insane idea to employ methods which might alleviate said pain.

Also do you have a better idea than what we are doing?

^This.

[Brian4Liberty]

Now that Rand has bowed out, can we finally discuss the immorality of helping to choose someone to rule our neighbors?

Perhaps we should talk about the "immorality" of charity, as it never permanently helps, but often makes things worse in the long run.

[wizardwatson]

My basic thought as far as politics is to go more lobbyist oriented given the movements small size.

This is essentially what CFL is doing at the corporate level. Instead of trying to deploy ourselves into the vast field of electoral politics and monitor and infiltrate each party, becoming precinct captains, all the while trying to sneak in a candidate I think we should focus on engaging people currently in office. Get out of this box of trying to get our guys in power and instead devise ways to put political pressure on people in power. This would give us metrics of success outside of election cycles and polls and would be a more direct fight against/for laws that are actually in play instead of presenting a "platform".

With a platform we're trying to address ideas. With lobbying for/against legislation we're addressing action, and we only need to go into the ideas necessary to explain why we're taking the action.

Rand is a great asset for this kind of strategy as well as other liberty candidates in office.

[Tod]

Perhaps we should talk about the "immorality" of charity, as it never permanently helps, but often makes things worse in the long run.

Actually, that is very untrue. Charity frequently permanently helps. I know that because I have, in the past, been a recipient of it from a friend and it got me past a tight spot. Likewise, I have been a donor that has permanently helped someone out of a situation.

On the other hand, I never have the right to help force a ruler on anyone; my rights stop short of that.

[Tod]

Do you only take pain meds only when its guaranteed to take all the pain away? Yea, the pain would most likely not ever going to go away but I don't think its an insane idea to employ methods which might alleviate said pain.

Also do you have a better idea than what we are doing?

Do I take pain meds which are guaranteed NOT to work, is a better question, but the real question is: Why would I take part in choosing someone to do something that they have no right to do in the first place?

[Cabal]

Perhaps we should talk about the "immorality" of charity, as it never permanently helps, but often makes things worse in the long run.

Charity: non-violent, non-compulsory, non-coercive, non-mandatory, consensual, non-monopolistic, voluntary
State: violent, compulsory, coercive, mandatory, non-consensual, monopolistic, non-voluntary

[angelatc]

Now that Rand has bowed out, can we finally discuss the immorality of helping to choose someone to rule our neighbors?

I think that the only way to defeat the system is from within the system.

[Theocrat]

Now that Rand has bowed out, can we finally discuss the immorality of helping to choose someone to rule our neighbors?

That is a total strawman. No one who sincerely believes in returning to a constitutional republic wants to vote for people to rule our neighbors. What we want are public servants who protect our God-given rights by punishing those who wish to violate those rights because of their false sense of autonomy (which is what anarcho-capitalism is based on, anyway). It has nothing to do with wanting rulers over us; it's about the rule of law (which is based on Divine Law, ultimately).

[Cabal]

I think that the only way to defeat the system is from within the system.

The system wants you to participate, which is why it is constantly encouraging your participation.

"If I determine the enemy's disposition of forces while I have no perceptible form, I can concentrate my forces while the enemy is fragmented. The pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless: if it is formless, then even the deepest spy cannot discern it nor the wise make plans against it."
-- Sun Tzu, The Art of War

[TheTexan]

Do you only take pain meds only when its guaranteed to take all the pain away? Yea, the pain would most likely not ever going to go away but I don't think its an insane idea to employ methods which might alleviate said pain.

Also do you have a better idea than what we are doing?

I don't know about you, but Aspirin doesn't do $#@! for me.

[juleswin]

I don't know about you, but Aspirin doesn't do $#@! for me.

Don't worry, it should lower the risk of you having yet another stroke. Hopefully, this time you won't be trying to post a comment when it happens

[TheTexan]

Don't worry, it should lower the risk of you having yet another stroke.

Maybe so. But it sure as $#@! doesn't do anything for the phantom pain where my leg used to be prior to 'nam

[randomname]

Rand 2020 will surely be the charm

[r3volution 3.0]

Putting aside the fact that it would be undesirable to establish an anarcho-capitalist society (wouldn't work, would collapse immediately), how would you do so?