Just like Obama in 2008, Rafael is a Goldman Sach candidate saying all the things the morons want to hear. You are welcome back when you realize Rafael tricked you.
A sense of danger gives birth to fear. And fear is the time-honored cross for the crucifixion of liberty.
You lost me on this one Klamath, at the very least, if you want to try and compromise your principles with a corrupt, big banker type such as Cruz, you could at least wait until Rand Paul actually drops his campaign before doing so. Being paranoid about Neo-cons because of their foreign policy and racialist politics but siding with a fear-mongering, pandering, pro-police state piece of garbage can only be described as misguided reactionary measures based on emotion rather than logic.
Don't let the door hit you in the ass.Originally Posted by klamath
"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it."
James Madison
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." - Samuel Adams
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Dum Spiro, Pugno
Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito
So your willing to support this Ted Cruz
Source.
Good to see the shill accounts outing themselves tonight, at least. Most were pretty obvious already but it's nice to have confirmation.
eta: see ProBlue33 below for example.
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"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
Yeesh, wasn't expecting this one.
I think Rand's campaign actually did get people to the caucus, they just ended up voting for someone else.
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
Probably Marco Rubio I heard CNN say that he had the most Youth votes.
As of now the era of the Paul's is over.
I can see people being burned three times, as in all there efforts turning to ashes, causing people to abandon ship in frustration and renewed apathy.
The voters that lifted Ron to victory were never with Rand, that much is clear. I think people on RPF were looking at this with rose colored glasses.
Tonight the glasses got slapped of some peoples faces, like this poster from 07.
Last edited by ProBlue33; 02-02-2016 at 03:04 AM.
Et cognoscetis veritatem et veritas liberabit vos
A lot of us are/were college students within the last 10 years knows that voting is probably the last thing on your mind. College students have exams, homework, internship, jobs, xbox, hangovers, weed and etc etc to deal with. $#@!, I bet half the kids were hung out or high XD....
COllege students also have no money to donate.
Unfortunately, free college from sanders > freedom from Rand. oh well =*(
A few of my friends who are Rand supporters are jumping ship to Cruz already... for me I will hold on until Nevada and then I will just stay home and support no one or write in mickey mouse.
wtf is the appeal of Rubio for youth votes??? What exactly has Rubio said that makes college/high school students wet? He isn't giving free $#@!. He isn't offering more freedom. All Rubio offers is probably a draft into the next war.
He quotes Jay-Z lyrics on the Senate floor.
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
A fine question, indeed. I look forward to the on-the-ground reports over the next couple days.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
Ah I cant believe this. This coming from an 07'er.
Don't go to Cruz, he's clearly a dick. Wifey at Goldman, campaign manager from Goldman, misses audit the Fed vote. What difference at this point does it make to have president Cruz as opposed to President Hillary, President Rubio, President Obama, President Bush?
I understand to some extend that if you are able to swallow the narcissist douchebag Trump that some switch to him because he is at least, lets say different. What I don't understand is that so many are able to swallow all that crap.
But $#@! it, I'd rather just want to be able to criticize the president for the next 8 years because I at least did not vote for him.
From what I can tell Cruz's main negatives are on military/foreign policy and couple social issues.
Wants to sanction one half the world, arm the other half, and expand the military even further. How this is in line with economic liberty and reduced gov't spending I don't know.
Also has a religious zealot side and supports banning gay marriage and abortion. Unlike Rand I have no doubt he'd actually do it if he could.
I like his track record on taxes, guns, healthcare and entitlement spending.
Cruz is a neo-con through and through. What he and Trump have proven to me is that the Republican party is likely a lost cause, there are just too many ignorant sycophants to overcome, at least on a national scale.
I'll vote for Rand in the primary if he's still in, but because of our rigged system I won't be in a state important enough for me to matter. Will probably vote Johnson again in the general, because at least if my vote's going to be worthless I won't kid myself and cast it for yet another corporate oligarch.
Going to Cruz is like beating terrorism by giving up your freedom. IT DOES NOTHING FOR YOU.
Also your timing is rather pathetic. Jumping ship and selling your soul to the media.
Have fun. I'd much rather lose and be right than to sell out and 'win'.
BTW, Cruz cannot win a general election.
"I am a bird"
I would vote for Cruz in the general if he won the primary.
If Rand drops out of the primary before our caucus, I suppose I would vote for Cruz. I mean a hard drop out, not the thing Ron did last time.
I would never vote for Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6wiWXw3voY
I have an autographed copy of Revolution: A Manifesto for sale. Mint condition, inquire within. (I don't sign in often, so please allow plenty of time for a response)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OV8RSgCr2g
Why would we settle for anything other than Paul ? There is no other option, all other options are pro-establishment.
"I am a bird"
What am I? 5 years old on grampa's lap? Then what did Mr. Trump say Grampa?
The wisdom of Swordy:
On bringing the troops home
On fighting corruption:
Fascism Defined
Cruz? lol.....hello more Wars, increased spending.
Rand is still in this. It's way to early for you to jump ship. Sleep it off.
I can hear Glenn Beck gloating.
Why does everyone act so surprised? If he's been around since 07 he seen everything that I've seen and more. And what I've seen here over the last 4 years, ever since June 2012, is a de-emphasis of principle, a muting of the message, and a strong emphasis on winning to the exclusion of everything else.
Nothing in the original post goes against any of those ideas. The whole time all of you " we have to win to be relevant" lot have been trying to convince everybody that it's time to start winning elections, there have been people here trying to remind everybody that the message and the purity of the messenger are what started this now long-dead movement to begin with.
If you don't believe that, and if you still believe that winning is everything, than the original post is the only logical position.
There are no crimes against people.
There are only crimes against the state.
And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.
The one reason I sympathize with the OP is because of posts like this one. Trump and his supporters need to get knocked down a peg.
I'm not voting for Cruz. But between Cruz, Trump, and any establishment candidate, I'd take Cruz.
I'll vote for Cruz if Rand endorses him before Super Tuesday. But that's the most I'll do.
I can see Rand doing that. It won't affect anything I do. But I hope folks here are ready for it.
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