FBI Video- "Complete, Unedited Video of Joint FBI and OSP Operation 01/26/2016"

[DavesNotHere]

"Published on Jan 28, 2016

This is the complete video footage of a joint FBI and Oregon State Police traffic stop and OSP officer-involved shooting of Robert "LaVoy" Finicum on the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. This footage, which has only been edited to blur out aircraft information, was taken by the FBI on 01/26/2016 and released by the FBI on 01/28/2016."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAGxDWKrjPQ

I have not watched this yet... wanted to put it up for all to see

[Danke]

Thumbs down on youtube

[Origanalist]

Thumbs down on youtube

980 up 486 down.

[Indy Vidual]

Did the victim have his hands up in the air?

[wizardwatson]

We can pick apart every decision made that led to this and blame whoever we want, but in court, this is practically suicide by cop.

Based on that video I see nothing wrong in how they handled it. In fact, it seems like the silk glove treatment. And as I said in the other thread, Lavoy is lucky he didn't get everyone in that truck killed.

[Indy Vidual]

Did the victim have his hands up in the air?

Yes, and No.
He did have his hands up, then reached for something, possibly a gun.
What does anyone else see at @ about 9:30? He took his arms down.

[Origanalist]

Unedited?

[GomerPile]

The date on the video is 1-27 not 1-26

[Zippyjuan]

Both of the original eyewitnesses (as is often the case) were partially right. One said he ran towards the officers (which he did but had his hands up) and the second that he was shot with his hands up (he may have been shot before the one he went down on but the fatal one he had his hands down) and it certainly does look like he was trying to get his gun out before that last shot took him down. And there were certainly flashes which were reported as gas canisters. Were those necessary? The vehicle and the people in it were certainly not going anyplace being stuck in that snowdrift.

Key point starts about nine minutes in.

[dannno]

The date on the video is 1-27 not 1-26

[Origanalist]

OK, so he came out with his hands up, and then changed his mind. Why?

[Indy Vidual]

The date on the video is 1-27 not 1-26

The time is less than a half hour after midnight so:
1) That time cannot possibly be correct.
2) The setting on the camera could be off by ~8 or 12 hours?

What time (on the 26th) was the shooting?

[phill4paul]

Thank you for contributing but it is already being discussed in another thread Davesnotwhere, of 18 posts since '12, Eduardo. Thanks. I'll forward a merge to the mods.

[JK/SEA]

murdered.

[Indy Vidual]

OK, so he came out with his hands up, and then changed his mind. Why?

It needs audio for extra info. If he was reaching for his pocket-copy of the Constitution then he chose a really bad time.

[Danke]

Maybe he was reaching for a stick of gum, or his ID?

[Indy Vidual]

Many will call it murder, having audio would give more facts.

[DavesNotHere]

Maybe he was reaching for a stick of gum, or his ID?

Without audio who knows... Maybe he was reaching for the fresh hole just put in his hip?

Whatever happened, the loss of life is sad and IMO, was unnecessary.

[JK/SEA]

Many will call it murder, having audio would give more facts.

i'm calling murder because i have to take the entire context of how Lavoy got to where he ended up. The guy was literally FED up with his situation in regards to his personal run ins with the BLM, Bundy, and all the rest of it. Lavoy was an honest man only trying to get through life like the rest of us. Murdered because he took the Constitution seriously to his heart, and pissed off the Kings men.

RIP Lavoy

[DavesNotHere]

RIP Lavoy

Yes, RIP Robert "LaVoy" Finicum.

[Ender]

OK, so he came out with his hands up, and then changed his mind. Why?

Again- the eye witness said his hands came down when he slipped a bit in the snow.

[Origanalist]

Again- the eye witness said his hands came down when he slipped a bit in the snow.

Maybe. That's not what it looked like to me. To me it looked like he came out fully intending to surrender and something made him realize that wasn't going to be allowed.

[Zippyjuan]

It seemed like shots were fired and then he dropped his hands as if to say "hold it a minute!" and then he tried to get his gun out to defend himself and that was when he was killed. Without sound it is impossible to tell for sure.

[Schifference]

I remember reading earlier that he attempted to ram into the barricade. Hmm he definitely swerved to avoid it. Why did that fool run from behind the black pickup at 9:16 directly in front of the oncoming vehicle? My guess is he got out with his hands up and the cop from the woods and the one behind him were not in the taking prisoner mood so he reached for his gun to defend himself. Cops probably yelling something like, "What the $#@! you doing? You tried to run him over" just before they wasted him.

[Todd]

Yes, and No.
He did have his hands up, then reached for something, possibly a gun.
What does anyone else see at @ about 9:30? He took his arms down.

You think maybe he reached for a gun because after he put his hands up, they were putting rounds into him?

[Deborah K]

This was a planned ambush.

[Dr.3D]

OK, so he came out with his hands up, and then changed his mind. Why?

Perhaps they told him to drop his gun in the snow and when he attempted to do so, the prearranged shooter in the woods nailed him.

[jbauer]

Hands were up coming out but he most certainly started reaching for something so..........

[Dr.3D]

Hands were up coming out but he most certainly started reaching for something so..........

Let this be a lesson. If you are told at gunpoint to drop your weapon and it's in your holster, just leave it there.

[Deborah K]

Perhaps they told him to drop his gun in the snow and when he attempted to do so, the prearranged shooter in the woods nailed him.

I thought that at first too. Especially given that the second male exiting the truck very clearly threw something in the snow before he put his hands up and began his approach to the pigs. But upon closer observation, it looks like they started shooting him and he's reacting to the gun shots to his abdomen. This is so sad, and maddening!