Shots fired, Bundy arrested

[Danke]

Even though Lavoy's friends and family are grieving, we must acknowledge the grief that those poor law enforcement officers must be dealing with after having to shoot him.

You beat The Texan.

[Weston White]

Is there anymore information about this:

As a footnote, and as a precondition of her release, Shawna Cox was ordered to have all guns at her Utah home removed. After the guns were removed, her son-in-law, sitting in close proximity to the guns was suddenly and mysteriously caught in a fire in which all the guns and ammunition went up in smoke. Shawna’s son-in-law was killed in the event.

http://freedomoutpost.com/2016/02/sh...-he-lay-dying/

In the article, during the first stop, they were all just left awkwardly stopped in the roadway waiting for several minutes.

[Weston White]

Posted by "Black Powder":

New David Fry Facebook message claims Pacific Patriots Network lied about making contact with remaining 4 holdouts. He says they did not threaten to shoot those wanting to escort them out of the Malheur Wildlife Refuge. Fry alleges PPN is compromised.. also says FBI trolls and misinformation being spread to kill the cause.

https://www.facebook.com/callmegav/v...4243976377580/

[Weston White]

PPN seems to have removed their notice of stand down. There is also an update posted, LaVoy's memorial was stolen:

Pacific Patriots Network (PPN)
is offering a $500.00 reward

Pacific Patriots Network (PPN) is offering a $500.00 reward for the return of all items left in memorial of LaVoy Finicum at the site of his death on Highway 395 outside of Burns Oregon.

Sometime in the past twelve hours, an individual or individuals took it upon themselves to desecrate the memorial site of LaVoy Finicum, a symbol of community grief, loss and healing. While it is evident they did not agree with Mr. Finicum’s stance, it is still a loss of life of a loved one. PPN denounces the vile action’s of those involved and will bring all of our resources to bear for the return of all memorial items.

Federal official have been in contact with PPN and made assurances county, state and federal agencies did not remove the memorial or any items associated with it.

[pcosmar]

PPN seems to have removed their notice of stand down. There is also an update posted, LaVoy's memorial was stolen:

Just keep getting more interesting.

$500.00

a head.

I would be careful what heads you hand them.

$#@! FOLKS wake up
they got the serial# of a throw down,,, the place is crawling (literally) with LE of every stench,, and they seem (or claim to be) friendly with such.

and we see the obvious results of their aid.

who are these idiots?

[pcosmar]

No guys,, really.. (and with all due sarcasm)

Join up with these guys. the notorious "Michigan (woo woo) Militia".
http://www.michiganmilitia.com/

Due to ISIS threats, we are on Yellow alert for now. Check your mags, gear, water, and other loadout. Contact your team leader or other SMVM staff.

Fed Gov team players.. proven.

ISIS threats,, give me a break..

But they will turn you into the Feds as nicely as they did the Hutaree.. bet your life on that fact.

[Weston White]

DefendYourBase has been releasing videos for the past day: https://www.youtube.com/user/DefendYourBase

[goldenequity]

Maureen Peltier article
Patriot/Veteran ALREADY accusing Oregon/Federal Court
of prejudiced proceedings and lack of due process.
Comin out swinging. Good to have watchdogs facebooking and Ytubing. (for once... Ima FAN of networking

[goldenequity]

More insights/analysis and updates from/about the Refuge (if you've been a follower of events... this will answer/settle some issues.)

[goldenequity]

LaVoy's daughters - awesome

[ChristianAnarchist]

LaVoy's daughters - awesome

Another good man gunned down by the goons...

[goldenequity]

Texas! **distant thunder rumbling**

[ChristianAnarchist]

Texas! **distant thunder rumbling**

Yeah, they'll fight it in the "courts" and if the "courts" rule against them they will lay down and let the goons take their land...

[goldenequity]

Yeah, they'll fight it in the "courts" and if the "courts" rule against them they will lay down and let the goons take their land...

Maybe, maybe not.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations,
pursuing invariably the same Object
evinces a design
to reduce them under absolute Despotism,
it is their right,
it is their duty,
to throw off such Government,
and to provide new Guards for their future security.
--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies;
and such is now the necessity which constrains them
to alter their former Systems of Government.

Somewhere like Utah is tough.. being landlocked.
But when I think of Texas, it could EASILY become its' own Country.
Ports, Energy, Agriculture, Water, Minerals and a culture of Independence
plus a 'Contract' with an exculpatory clause.

What the Bundy's are modeling, i.e. local authority vs fed 'agency'
could easily catch fire down in Texas... they're sick to death of EPA, BLM,
and loose borders. They've been 'engaged' battling the Feds since Bruce Babbitt
was Sec. of Interior under Clinton. He started a LOT of what evolved into
the current tyranny/overreach.

[phill4paul]

Recording of phone call by Oath Keepers to Lavoy Finicum, two days before his death, urging him and the Bundy brothers to make a “lateral, tactical move” to a constitutional sheriff’s county, to continue to spread the message of western land rights and organizing ranchers, under the protection of a strong sheriff, and warning him that all indicators pointed to the “the powers that be” being mere days away from shutting down their ability to spread that message, one way or another.



On Sunday, January 24, 2016 (just two days before his death) Lavoy Finicum was a guest on Jason Van Tatenhove’s radio show (The Patriot Report)along with Stewart Rhodes, Founder and President of Oath Keepers. On the show, they discussed how Lavoy and Ammon Bundy’s message of western ranchers resistance to federal tyranny had begun to “catch fire” and was spreading to other counties and other states, with an additional eight ranchers (including in Utah and New Mexico) stepping up to declare their “emancipation” and independence from the BLM and USFS. They also discussed the great advantages to taking stands in counties that had strong constitutional sheriffs willing to interpose and protect the ranchers. Here is that discussion:

SUNDAY, JANUARY 24, RADIO SHOW DISCUSSION WITH LAVOY:

<audio at link>

fter the show Stewart Rhodes, Idaho Oath Keeper Todd Engle (veteran of Bundy Ranch) and Jason Van Tatenhove called Lavoy on the phone and warned him that it was clear that the FBI and the state of Oregon had put in place all the personnel (approximately 400 officers) and equipment needed to shut the occupiers down, and that by our estimation that action was imminent (within two to three days, tops). We urged him to consider making a tactical lateral move to a county with a strong constitutional sheriff, so that they could continue to spread the “brushfire” of liberty in the minds of other ranchers.

Jason had set his Skype account to record the show, but we didn’t realize at the time that it was still recording when we made the phone call to LaVoy after the show. We just discovered this recording:

PHONE CALL WITH LAVOY ON SUNDAY, JAN. 24, 2016:

<audio at link>

NOTE FROM STEWART RHODES:

Some critical background – Todd Engle (an Idaho Oath Keepers leader and veteran of Bundy Ranch), along with an Oath Keeper with extensive military special operations experience (who prefers to remain anonymous), had traveled to Burns, OR, conducted an assessment of the federal/Oregon State Police strength and preparations, and then visited the refuge on Saturday, January 23, 2016 and sat down with Ammon Bundy and his bodyguard Brian Cavalier (“Booda”).

They warned Ammon and Booda that all the assets were in place for a federal cordon or raid, and that they estimated that within a few days (2-3) the FBI would make a move to shut them down, one way or another. They told Ammon that his tactical situation was FUBAR and the feds were not going to let Ammon and cohorts continue to come and go freely, or communicate freely, to spread their message. They strongly warned Ammon that he had reached the point of serious diminishing returns, and it was time to leave, while he still could.

They informed Ammon that, at a minimum, the FBI would put a cordon in place, block all ingress and egress (no more speaking events or meetings with other ranchers) and then kill all cell reception, internet, etc and prevent them from being able to communicate with anyone except the FBI negotiators. Therefore, they urged Ammon and his crew to leave and continue to spread their message from a better location. We were waiting to see some indicator that they had taken the advice to heart.

The next day, on Sunday, January 24, 2016, I was on Jason’s show with LaVoy, and LaVoy and I discussed how their message was spreading like wildfire throughout the West, and how the very best way to go when resisting federal oppression of ranchers is to have a strong constitutional sheriff to back up and protect the ranchers, with a united community serving as his posse. He agreed that this was ideal.

After the show, I asked Jason to call LaVoy, and I asked Todd to join us, so we could make sure LaVoy got the same information that Ammon had gotten the day before, and to encourage him to make a move to that strongest position possible – a county with a constitutional sheriff, with ranchers ready to stand, where they could continue to spread their message, educating and organizing ranchers, but now under the protection of a strong sheriff who would also protect the ranchers who were declaring independence from federal tyranny and lawlessness.

We discussed some strong Utah sheriffs as possibilities (not realizing they had already scheduled a meeting with Sheriff Glenn Palmer of Grant County, OR, apparently with a mind to spread the message and methods to Grant County, but not to actually relocate there). LaVoy told us he recognized the wisdom in what we were saying and that he would talk to Ammon and Ryan Bundy about it.

Unfortunately, they decided against following our advice, as was made clear in the video LaVoy made the next day, Jan 25, declaring that they were not leaving, and that the federal government was never getting those buildings back:

https://www.oathkeepers.org/new-audi...van-tatenhove/

[DavesNotHere]

'Pete Santilli Speaks Live From Multnomah County Jail - Monday - 2/8/16'

[DavesNotHere]

'Ammon Bundy to Elected Officials: Support Free Speech, Civil Disobedience'

Published on Feb 8, 2016

"Arm yourselves with ideas. Arm yourselves with education. Argue and disagree. Be free." Statement from the Jail: 2/6/2016"

[Kade]

I don't see LaVoy as being someone who'd have a stolen pistol... The theory that it was planted on him seems much more likely.

Video was released. You would have to be pretty thick to see anything other than LaVoy waving around a gun.

[Deborah K]

Ughhhh.......so much wrong with this:

[Deborah K]

https://www.oathkeepers.org/new-audi...van-tatenhove/

Wow wow wow!!!!!

[AuH20]

Ughhhh.......so much wrong with this:

I've watched his videos before. He's correct with most of his points.

[Deborah K]

I've watched his videos before. He's correct with most of his points.

Have you watched this one? Here's my take: He defends Mark McConnell without giving any explanation for why McConnell made $#@! up when he gave his account of what he DIDN'T EVEN WITNESS. McConnell's version is what the MSM ran with - even though it was proven later to be a lie, and of course, was never corrected by said media (no surprise there). Listen closely to what he says with regard to Ryan Payne and Mark McConnell.

I agree with some of what he says. He's right that we're not as effective as the left because we don't work en masse. He's right that this was an unorganized, unskilled attempt at civil disobedience but ffs, these were mostly ranchers who'd had about all the $#@! they could take!!! (as Phill points out in my sig).

But to sit there and basically kiss the asses of the alphabet soup gang made me want to throw up.

No, I didn't go up there. But I did what I could to get the truth out about what was happening. I've never heard of this guy, but based on what I just watched, he's either been compromised or he's just another bootlicker.

[phill4paul]

Video was released. You would have to be pretty thick to see anything other than LaVoy waving around a gun.

Absolutely nobody, including the FBI, has ever said that LaVoy was seen waving around a gun. Your trolling and disinformation earns you a neg.

[AuH20]

Have you watched this one? Here's my take: He defends Mark McConnell without giving any explanation for why McConnell made $#@! up when he gave his account of what he DIDN'T EVEN WITNESS. McConnell's version is what the MSM ran with - even though it was proven later to be a lie, and of course, was never corrected by the said media (no surprise there). Listen closely to what he says with regard to Ryan Payne and Mark McConnell.

I agree with some of what he says. He's right that we're not as effective as the left because we don't work en masse. He's right that this was an unorganized, unskilled attempt at civil disobedience but ffs, these were mostly ranchers who'd had about all the $#@! they could take!!! (as Phill points out in my sig).

But to sit there and basically kiss the asses of the alphabet soup gang made me want to throw up.

No, I didn't go up there. But I did what I could to get the truth out about what was happening. I've never heard of this guy, but based on what I just watched, he's either been compromised or he's just another bootlicker.

There were individuals up in the refuge who couldn't even field strip a rifle. Secondly, there were some suspicious characters that embedded themselves with Bundy.
With all that said, another flashpoint event will likely occur in the near future. No need to sacrifice valuable assets on the roach motel known as Malheur.

[AuH20]

FYI If you want to help in the future, go get tactical training. I can't emphasize this enough.

[phill4paul]

Have you watched this one? Here's my take: He defends Mark McConnell without giving any explanation for why McConnell made $#@! up when he gave his account of what he DIDN'T EVEN WITNESS. McConnell's version is what the MSM ran with - even though it was proven later to be a lie, and of course, was never corrected by said media (no surprise there). Listen closely to what he says with regard to Ryan Payne and Mark McConnell.

I agree with some of what he says. He's right that we're not as effective as the left because we don't work en masse. He's right that this was an unorganized, unskilled attempt at civil disobedience but ffs, these were mostly ranchers who'd had about all the $#@! they could take!!! (as Phill points out in my sig).

But to sit there and basically kiss the asses of the alphabet soup gang made me want to throw up.

No, I didn't go up there. But I did what I could to get the truth out about what was happening. I've never heard of this guy, but based on what I just watched, he's either been compromised or he's just another bootlicker.

I think he pretty much echoed what all the militias were saying about the situation. The reason why there were no militias onsite is that the operation went against most all militias' dictum that they are for defense not offense. The taking of the refuge was an offensive stance. Again, this is from the perspective of all the militias. This is of paramount importance when forming public perception and no battle can be won without maintaining that moral high ground. In any given situation the government must be made to look as the aggressors.
I think the militias truly wanted to help Ammon and Finicum but that they could not put themselves in the position of losing all that they had built upon. This is the reason for the advise to the Bundy's to let the occupation go, retrench somewhere else and continue to educate.

[Weston White]

Video was released. You would have to be pretty thick to see anything other than LaVoy waving around a gun.

Crackpipe much?

[AuH20]

Lots of juicy info here. From Thaddeus Deane, ret. Navy SEAL. It's long so grab a cup of coffee.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...37434353020609

[Deborah K]

I have more thoughts on this but have to write them later....that recorded phone call sheds new light for me.

[Deborah K]

There were individuals up in the refuge who couldn't even field strip a rifle. Secondly, there were some suspicious characters that embedded themselves with Bundy.
With all that said, another flashpoint event will likely occur in the near future. No need to sacrifice valuable assets on the roach motel known as Malheur.

Yeah, I heard him say that, but are we certain that wasn't just his opinion of the volunteers who showed up to back up the ranchers? And, it's already been discussed that they were infiltrated. I don't know for certain if Payne and McConnell are plants but their actions sure seem like it to me. And, the two women who had to share a "paddy wagon" with McConnell don't trust him either. I'll trust their instincts over his, for now.