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Worse than anything we've seen in Washington?
Worse than Obama? Worse than Bush?
Sorry, I don't agree.
Trump is a noninterventionist; while i'd like Rand to be potus, if Trump is chosen, I will be quite happy that we may finally have a noninterventionist in the White House. No other D or R candidate except Rand and Trump are noninterventionists; even Sanders is an interventionist. And Cruz, who is close to getting this in Iowa, is no different than Rubio, Hillary, Graham, or any of the other warmongers when it comes to foreign policy.
Sorry! I couldn't help it!!!
Trump is not a noninterventionist, not even close.Originally Posted by charrob
Lol no.
So bombing and taking the oil fields is non-interventionist??? Lol no, no it's not.
Everyone seems to be projecting what they want onto trump but sorry it's just not the reality
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That was Gollum who said that, Smeagol is a beloved character who would never do anything like that.
The dude wants to remove America from the Geneva Convention because its holding us back from real man intervention.
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3:38 - that time when you realize Rand successfully used the interviewer to make his point.
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
+1
Notice they're no longer asking him whether he will attend the under card debate if he doesn't make it on the main stage. He's in.
So the guy that said we havent used our nuke's enough is a non-interventionalist? LOLERSKATES
Where is that darned roflcopter when you need it?
Is Trump really a non-interventionist? He changes his mind so often, it's hard to tell. The establishment is starting to find him acceptable, so who knows what assurances have been made behind closed doors?
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You may be correct; I may be completely wrong. It’s just a gut feeling. But my gut has been right in previous elections.
And I’m not the only one: several journalists, including Justin Raimondo, on antiwar.com have had numerous articles on how Trump is really not an interventionist.
And Michael Scheuer (one of Ron Paul’s foreign policy advisors) has also now come out and agreed and backs Trump because of his noninterventionist policies.
Remember: Trump needs to bluster to sound tough to a republican base that wants endless killing. But examine the bluster: it’s not on the important issues. Yes, if someone legitimately attacked the U.S. Trump would not hold back. But the more important issue is that he would not get into any of these unnecessary wars in the first place. And 99.99% of U.S. wars have been unnecessary. Examine each of the countries:
- Iraq: Yes he said he’d steal the oil, BUT he wouldn’t have gone into Iraq in the first place.
- Syria: When asked in the debate about Assad crossing Obama’s red line in Syria, and what he would do about that Trump replied that he wouldn’t have drawn a red line in the first place. And he doesn’t think we should overthrow Assad.
- Russia: Trump would withdraw U.S. troops from Ukraine and would get along with Putin. He doesn’t have a problem with Putin.
- Libya: Trump says all these wars were mistakes. He says he would withdraw from the middle east and let the Russians and Iranians go after ISIS. In other words even Sanders, who wants to see Assad go, is more hawkish than Trump.
- Iran: other than Rand, Trump was the ONLY one in that debate that stated he would accept and abide by the terms in the recent nuclear agreement. He blusters a lot that he could have been a better deal maker BUT in the end, he would abide by the deal. Compare that to Cruz who said he’d tear up the deal his first day in office and that he wanted regime change in Iran!
- Israel: unlike others, he didn’t suck up to Netanyahu. He said within 6 months he’d know whether or not the Israelis are truly willing to have a 2 state solution.
I may be completely wrong. But I don’t think so. I think, at heart, Trump is a noninterventionist. And I think that’s why all the journalists at National Review and Talk Radio are coming out and trying to destroy him.
He’s got other weaknesses, particularly on civil liberties. But to say he’d be worse than what we have now imho is not true. On foreign policy, other than Rand, he's our best shot at having a noninterventionist.Mr. Trump are Americans safer with dictators running the world in the middle east?
“In my opinion we’ve spent $4 trillion dollars trying to topple various people that, frankly if they were there, and we could have spent that $4 trillion dollars in the United States to fix our roads, our bridges, and all of the other problems, our airports, and all of the other problems we have, we would have been a lot better off – I can tell you that right now.
We have done a tremendous disservice not only to the middle east, we’ve done a tremendous disservice to humanity: the people that have been killed, the people that have been wiped away, and for what?
It’s not like we had victory. It’s a mess. The middle east is totally de-stabilized – a total and complete mess. I wish we had the $4 trillion dollars or $5 trillion dollars; I wish it were spent right here in the United States on our schools, hospitals, roads, airports, and everything else that are all falling apart.”
~Donald Trump
12/15/2015
That's true and a good point. That the establishment is starting to find him acceptable is definitely worrisome.
Are you seriously discussing trump as if anything he says has any weight or merit? He will say anything anyway and you cannot count on him to stay consistent to it. The man is a power hungry wheeler dealer, he wants people to respect his superficial character traits and disregard his entitled yet frequently disastrous past. Just look at the way he decorates his buildings, classless. Look at his hair and spray on tan, the man is old already, give it up. He looks like one of those bleach blonde California ladies trying to hold on to sixteen at fifty-something... Everything you need to know about the man is in front of you, classless money and power hungry. The opposite of a statesman.
What dignified or moral person do you know who involves themselves in gambling as either the patron of a casino or the owner? That's a sleezeballs game there, even the moral people that go for fun acknowledge its sinful nature. Now people want those types of gambling characters saying that we should use our nukes more. Great.
Last edited by afwjam; 01-26-2016 at 02:38 PM.
Indeed.
Mr. Trump, do you wanna make a buck for our buddies and yourself in Africa? How about Guam? New York?
Yep, I can imagine how he might answer, he'd be dumb not to make a buck according to his own logic and that puts a fox in the hen house.
Or is there no money to be made in intervening?
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