every time someone views the images a child is harmed
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instead of shutting down the website that they had seized, the FBI continued to run it
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'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988
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...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
And we funded it.
"One thing my years in Washington taught me is that most politicians are followers, not leaders. Therefore we should not waste time and resources trying to educate politicians. Politicians will not support individual liberty and limited government unless and until they are forced to do so by the people," says Ron Paul."
Some less than others.Originally Posted by ZENemy
The show of arrests was nothing but PR stunt.
Government is Evil,, those attached are tainted. Some fight it,, there have been a few besides Ron Paul. Most embrace it.
We are constantly shown the evils of those that rule over us,,
And they continually, and throughout history are the predators. Not the protectors.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
Wow.. lol so effective they are.
And distribution.
Well, our government sure is a full service black market now.
For all your drug needs please place an order with the CIA.
If you want kiddie porn the FBI currently distributes it.
I'm assuming the TSA produces it.
Oh and if you want illegal firearms please see the BATFE and Eric Holder.
"I know the urge to arm yourself, because that’s what I did. I was trained in firearms. When I walked to the hospital when my husband was sick, I carried a concealed weapon. I made the determination that if somebody was going to try to take me out I was going to take them with me."
Diane Feinstein, 1995
This makes about as much sense as the government selling guns to drug cartels. Like the government would ever do something that crazy.
That's 10%.
The more prohibitions you have,
the less virtuous people will be.
The more weapons you have,
the less secure people will be.
The more subsidies you have,
the less self-reliant people will be.
Therefore the Master says:
I let go of the law,
and people become honest.
I let go of economics,
and people become prosperous.
I let go of religion,
and people become serene.
I let go of all desire for the common good,
and the good becomes common as grass.
-Tao Te Ching, Section 57
How many FBI employees did they catch?
It takes Crime to Fight Crime!
You Must Exploit Kids to Save Kids!
But hey the FBI has been doing this entrapment thing all the way back to the FBI plants in the KKK sparkplugging the murders of Freedom Summer visitors to the South.
I'm against child porn and entrapment. Both are crimes in my book.
So yeah. IDK.
If I were a figure of authority I'd want to give a good example. But maybe that's the reason why I'm not in government.
"I am a bird"
Tricky Dick redux ... "Well, when thepresidentgovernment does it, that means that it is not illegal."
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- "When law and morality are in contradiction to each other, the citizen finds himself in the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense, or of losing his respect for the law."
-- The Law (p. 54)- "Government is that great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
-- Government (p. 99)- "[W]ar is always begun in the interest of the few, and at the expense of the many."
-- Economic Sophisms - Second Series (p. 312)- "There are two principles that can never be reconciled - Liberty and Constraint."
-- Harmonies of Political Economy - Book One (p. 447)· tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito ·
Anonymous would be much more effective in such a sting. All you need to do is generate a list of the 215,000 users and list their name, address, occupation and contact information. The rest of the world would take care of the rest of the problem.
Yep, that sounds like a great idea.. except, wait a minute!! Your name is on the list because the neighbor kid who you are always yelling at to stay off your lawn wanted to look at some and decided to use somebody else's personal info, and guess whose they used!!
Hope you have some baseball bat strength body armor.
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"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
As a general rule, and this applies to basically everything, it's not illegal when the government does it.
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137 divided by 215,000 equals .00063 (not percent)
To get percent, move decimal 2 places to the right.
Equals .063%
All government Offices are, markets.
FJB
Oh, well that's good.
The FBI ran a child porn website that captured .063% of the people using said website.
Lucky it wasn't .00063% or that would have been ridiculous.
“The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell
Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump
Really? How so?
“The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell
Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump
Markets to themselves.
FJB
+every time someone views the images a child is harmed
=instead of shutting down the website that they had seized, the FBI continued to run it
Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
--Albert J. Nock
https://motherboard.vice.com/read/la...ver-by-the-fbi
August 23, 2016
In February 2015, the FBI took control of Playpen, the largest dark web child pornography site at the time. But instead of shutting the site down, the agency kept it going for just under two weeks, in order to deliver malware to its visitors in the hope of identifying suspects in its investigation.
Newly filed court exhibits now suggest that the site performed substantially better while under the FBI's control, with users commenting on the improvements. The defense for the man accused of being the original administrator of Playpen claims that these improvements led to the site becoming even more popular.
“The FBI distributed child pornography to viewers and downloaders worldwide for nearly two weeks, until at least March 4, 2015, even working to improve the performance of the website beyond its original capability,” Peter Adolf, an assistant federal defender in the Western District of North Carolina, writes in a motion to have his client’s indictment thrown out.
“As a result, the number of visitors to Playpen while it was under Government control [increased] from an average of 11,000 weekly visitors to approximately 50,000 per week. During those two weeks, the website’s membership grew by over 30%, the number of unique weekly visitors to the site more than quadrupled, and approximately 200 videos, 9,000 images, and 13,000 links to child pornography were posted on the site,” he continues.
According to archived messages on the Playpen site filed alongside Adolf’s motion, users were complaining of Playpen’s sluggish service around the time the site was taken over.
“I’ve been having trouble getting in here all day, took forever just to reply to this so guess there is still some server trouble. Wish all the best in getting in [sic] fixed,” one user called “verycute” wrote on February 21, 2015.
Shortly after, on February 23, someone in control of a Playpen administrator account wrote, “I upgraded the Token Ring to Ethernet about an hour ago and things seem to be working a bit better.” (A Token ring is a particular type network configuration).
It is not totally clear whether the FBI was in control of this account, though this is what Adolf insinuates.
Regardless, users soon noticed the effects of the tweak.
“Yes, it is working much better now!” one user replied.
“Working FAST today :-)” another wrote.
“It now runs everything very smoothly!” a third replied. “Hopefully it will remain so! ???”
Adolf’s motion continues, “Indeed, government agents worked hard to upgrade the website’s capability to distribute large amounts of child pornography quickly and efficiently, resulting in more users receiving more child pornography faster than they ever did when the website was running ‘illegally.’”
This is where Adolf’s argument for why his client’s indictment should be thrown out comes in: Echoing the defense team in another case, he says the FBI engaged in “outrageous conduct” by distributing child pornography on a massive scale. Such activity by government agents in an investigation could lead to dismissal of charges if, as Adolf writes, the conduct is “shocking” or “offensive to traditional notions of fundamental fairness.” (A judge previously ruled that the operation did not equate to outrageous conduct.)
What is new here is the defense’s claim that the FBI deliberately improved the site’s functionality for its users, and that this in turn led to more people signing up to Playpen. Adolf does not provide any solid evidence for this apparent causality, but points to the archived Playpen messages which indicate improvements took place.
In July, the Department of Justice wrote in a court document that so far 186 people have been charged as part of this investigation. Motherboard found that the FBI hacked over 4,000 computers, including in countries as far afield as Chile and Austria.
In court documents from other related cases filed on Monday, defense attorneys placed a “conservative estimate” on the number of illegal images distributed by the FBI during its operation of Playpen: 1,000,000.
Christopher Allen, a spokesperson for the FBI, declined to comment on matters pending litigation.
https://gizmodo.com/fbis-disturbing-...ver-1794885187FBI's Disturbing Hacking Powers Challenged in Court Over Child Pornography Case
Arguments were heard in an appeals court on Wednesday involving a controversial government hacking case in which the FBI participated in the distribution of child pornography. This is the most recent legal test of the FBI’s ability to hack any computer, anywhere.
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At the time of the seizure, Playpen is said to have had roughly 215,000 users worldwide. In August, the FBI was accused by one defendant (a former Playpen administrator) of not only running the website, but improving its performance.
That the FBI did not immediately shut down the forum, but instead kept it running for 13 days, has been deservedly scrutinized by digital rights groups, and in the press. “If the government is going to break the law in order to enforce it, it must justify how any resulting benefits outweigh any harms,” Elizabeth E. Joh, a law school professor, wrote in the New York Times last January. “When the government participates in the distribution of contraband,” she said, “it has little control over who will use those illegal guns, drugs or child pornography, and little ability to protect victims from these harms.”
The subject of Wednesday’s hearing, however, involves a separate issue, but one which has equally far-reaching consequences: the FBI, which targeted as many as 8,000 devices internationally, carried out its entire hacking campaign after obtaining only a single warrant. Should the court determine that the FBI’s actions were lawful, it is likely to repeat this tactic in the future, and perhaps in cases not centered around the distribution of child pornography.
In court Wednesday, attorneys at the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) argued that, even taking into consideration the hellish nature of the allegations facing the accused, the FBI, too, violated the law and the US Constitution.
Before the US Court of Appeals for the First Circuit, EFF Attorney Mark Rumold asserted that the government’s use of malware to remotely attack computers, which were “located in unknown places, in states across the country, in countries across the world,” vastly exceeded the scope of agency’s authority. “No court,” he said, “would seriously consider a comparable warrant in the physical world. A warrant that authorized the search of hundreds or thousands of homes, without identifying specific buildings or specifying where the buildings were located, would be rejected out of hand even if those searches were limited to identifying the person residing there.”
In the EFF’s view, the sheer breadth of the FBI’s cyberattack indicates that it did not meet the “particularity” required of the Fourth Amendment, under which Americans’ rights against unlawful search and seizure are protected. The warrant, “which did not describe any particular person or place,” Rumold wrote, was, therefore, invalid.
What’s more, EFF attorneys argue that the FBI’s warrant is invalidated by the fact that the bureau acted outside its capacity: The malware it spread to identify Playpen’s users is not the same as the installation of a device to track a target’s location—which is what the warrant actually authorized.
In its amicus brief, which was filed alongside the ACLU of Massachusetts, the EFF states that, although the information seized “may ultimately have assisted the FBI in identifying a particular user,” what it obtained offered little in the way of helping the bureau locate the suspects. Even in cases where the FBI was able to assess a user’s IP address, that information alone is not enough to identify the user’s location. “In this investigation,” Rumold said, “it was generally only after the FBI took additional investigative steps that any reliable information related to location was actually obtained.”
Moreover, the EFF takes issue with the fact that the FBI’s malware—what it refers to euphemistically as a network investigative technique (NIT)—was not installed within the jurisdiction of the authorizing court, in the Eastern District of Virginia, but rather in other jurisdictions where the accused actually reside. The government’s argument is that the suspects made a “virtual trip via the Internet to Virginia,” but even if that’s true, the FBI’s malware did not take effect until after it reached the defendants’ homes.
The case also has bearing on international law. Many of the computers hacked by the FBI were located in foreign countries, some of which may have treaties with the US restricting how authorities may collect electronic evidence against its citizens—an issue the appellate may be sensitive to, even if the FBI is not.
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Goons gonna goon naked children...
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