Is Ted Cruz eligible ? Read the timeline and decide.

[Dianne]

I don't know how to put up a poll, but can someone. I would like to see votes on whether or not Ted Cruz is eligible to run for President.

Ted Cruz Citizenship Timeline: Ted Cruz is Canadian at birth. Period.
State of Delaware Vital Records says, no record of Eleanor Elizabeth Darragh Wilson birth exist. Ted Cruz's mother does not have a US birth certificate.

FACTUAL CRUZ CITIZENSHIP TIMELINE
(Everything presented in this timeline is a matter of public record. All of it is based upon publicly reported events, public statements made by Rafael Cruz, Ted Cruz, officials with the Elect Ted movement or US and Canadian officials."

1957 - After working as a teen to help Fidel Castro gain power in Cuba, and being imprisoned for his actions by the Batista regime, Cuban Rafael Cruz applies for admittance to the University of Te'as as a foreign student and enters the US on a four year student visa to attend four years of college. He is a Cuban citizen attending a US college on a foreign student visa obtained through the US Consulate in Havana.

1961-1962 - After graduating college at the University of Texas, and upon the expiration of his foreign student visa, Cruz Sr. applied for and received "political asylum" and was issued a "green card." A green card is a permit to reside and work in the United States, without becoming a "citizen" of the United States, in this case, under political asylum from Castro's Cuba. His citizenship status was that of a Cuban national living and working in the United States, under a green card work permit. According to US laws, the "green card" holder must maintain permanent resident status, and can be removed from the United States if certain conditions of this status are not met.

1964-1966 - Cruz Sr. takes a few odd jobs, marries and moves to Canada to work in the oil fields. The Cruz family resides in Canada for the next eight years. “I worked in Canada for eight years,” Rafael Cruz says. “And while I was in Canada, I became a Canadian citizen.” – (From and interview with NPR) "Peter Spiro, a legal expert on US citizenship at Temple University. Spiro says Rafael Cruz's multi-country odyssey did not follow traditional models for immigration. SPIRO - “Ted Cruz himself seems to be an advocate of those traditional immigration models. Maybe he should be a little more tolerant of the nontraditional Versions, given his own father's history.”

196x ?Both parents applied for and received Canadian citizenship under Canadian Immigration and Naturalization Laws


1970 - Ted Cruz is born in Canada, to two parents who had lived in Canada for at least four years at that time, and had applied for and received Canadian citizenship under Canadian Immigration and Naturalization Laws, as stated by Rafael Cruz. As a result, US statutes would have voided the prior "green card" status which requires among other things, permanent residency within the United States and obviously, not becoming a citizen of another country during the time frame of the US green card.

1974 - The Cruz family moves to the United States when Ted is approximately four years old. Rafael Cruz has publicly stated that he remained a citizen of Canada until he renounced his Canadian citizenship when he applied for and became a US Naturalized citizen in 2005. As a result, his wife and son were also Canadian citizens, his son being born a citizen of Canada in 1970.

2005 - Rafael Cruz applies for legal US citizenship and renounces his Canadian citizenship. No record of Ted renouncing his Canadian citizenship or applying for US citizenship exists as of 2005.

2013 - Freshman Senator Ted Cruz is a rising star in the Tea Party movement, and calls for him to run for the White House begin. In July, Ted Cruz is Questioned by the press about his interest in running for President, and the issue of his Canadian born citizenship is brought up Sen. Ted Cruz rejected questions Sunday over his eligibility to be president, saying that although he was born in Canada “the facts are clear” that he is a US citizen.
“My mother was born in Wilmington, Delaware. She is a US. citizen, so I'm a US citizen by birth,” Cruz told A&C. “I'm not going to engage in a legal debate.”

NOTE: Senator Cruz omits the part of his father's story, in particular, the part about his parents applying for and receiving Canadian citizenship prior to Ted's birth in Calgary. He also attempts to gloss past the actual definition of natural)born Citizen by implying it is a mere legal debate for others to figure out.

August 2013 - As Ted's political stock rises in the Tea Party, so do press questions about his eligibility for office. Ted decides to quiet the questions by releasing his birth certificate, which now becomes absolute proof of Ted's Canadian citizenship at birth, 1970, Calgary, Canada. The release of the Canadian birth records only serve to further fuel the controversy.

Ted seeks Legal Counsel, as the media is now pressing members of Canadian Immigration and Naturalization to clear the matter up, when instead, Canadian officials confirm the Ted Cruz was in fact born a legal citizen of Canada, the son of two parents who had also applied for and received Canadian citizenship prior to Ted's birth.

“He's a Canadian,” said Toronto lawyer Stephen Green, past chairman of the Canadian Bar Association's Citizenship and Immigration Section.
“Generally speaking, under the Citizenship Act of 1947, those born in Canada were automatically citizens at birth unless their parent was a foreign diplomat, ”said ministry spokeswoman Julie Lafortune.

Legal counsel advises Ted to "renounce his Canadian citizenship" in order to make himself eligible to run for the presidency. Of course, renouncing one's original citizenship only further proves one's original citizenship.

May 2014 - Ted Cruz legal counsel files to renounce Ted's Canadian citizenship in an effort to make him eligible to run for high office under the natural born Citizen clause Article II in the US Constitution.

AUSTIN, Texas - Canada-born US Sen. Ted Cruz has given up his citizenship from his birth country, making good on a promise from last summer. spokeswoman Catherine Frazier said “the Tea Party favorite formally gave up his citizenship May 14th. He received official confirmation of the action at his Houston home Tuesday.”

News that he had renounced his citizenship was first reported by the Dallas Morning News. The newspaper also bro$e that Cruz had dual Canadian) US citizenship when he released his birth certificate in August.

Frazier said Cruz “he is pleased to have the process finalized” and that it “makes sense he should be only an American citizen.”- of course, the Constitution does not require that one be only an American citizen, but rather a natural born Citizen.

As of February 4, 2015 - No evidence of any US Citizenship has been released to confirm anything at all about the true citizenship status of Ted Cruz.

Because Ted Cruz has been confirmed a legal citizen of Canada up until renouncing his Canadian citizenship in May of 2014, and because he has been confirmed a citizen of Canada at birth, and because his father is on public record stating that he and his wife became citizens of Canada during their eight years living in Canada and because Rafael Cruz remained a citizen of Canada until he renounced and applied for legal US citizenship in 2005. There is simply NO WAY that Ted Cruz was, is or ever can be a Natural Born Citizen of the United States eligible for the offices of President or Vice President.

So, does this mean that members of the Tea Party are engaged in an overt effort to defraud Tea Party members who are Ted fans, by all of this legal fancy footwork.

The facts are all well documented. You decide...

[Kords21]

Going by your post, there seems to be way more proof that he's Canadian through and through than he is a U.S. Citizen. I'm not a Trump fan, but he's right that this will create quite a legal mess and would be quite embarrassing to the GOP and all the people who vote for this guy.

[Kotin]

Going by your post, there seems to be way more proof that he's Canadian through and through than he is a U.S. Citizen. I'm not a Trump fan, but he's right that this will create quite a legal mess and would be quite embarrassing to the GOP and all the people who vote for this guy.

this is incredibly interesting and has a lot more weight behind it than I ever thought possible.

[Zippyjuan]

196x ?Both parents applied for and received Canadian citizenship under Canadian Immigration and Naturalization Laws

Link to support claim? No indication they did and the fact that the article can't give a date it supposedly took place makes it even more questionable.

[dannno]

Link to support claim? No indication they did and the fact that the article can't give a date it supposedly took place makes it even more questionable.

They were both registered to vote in Canada as of 1974, so some time before 1974 the mother became a Canadian citizen. That is what needs to be found out, when that actually happened, not "if".

The legal way to become a dual citizen is to originally be a citizen in a foreign country that allows dual citizenship, i.e. Israel, then become a US citizen. By becoming a US citizen, some countries are ok with retaining original citizenship and they become a dual citizen.

The other way around MAY work for practical purposes, i.e. being a US citizen who then becomes an Israeli citizen, but for legal purposes once you become the citizen of another country the US by law no longer recognizes you as a citizen (although in reality they still might). So if Ted's mother became a Canadian citizen before 1970, then she legally renounced her US citizenship and was not technically a US citizen at the time he was born.

The other question is - where Ted Cruz' mother's birth certificate??

[ThePopinator]

The other way around MAY work for practical purposes, i.e. being a US citizen who then becomes an Israeli citizen, but for legal purposes once you become the citizen of another country the US by law no longer recognizes you as a citizen (although in reality they still might). So if Ted's mother became a Canadian citizen before 1970, then she legally renounced her US citizenship and was not technically a US citizen at the time he was born.

Where did you come up with that bull$#@!?

There is no law that states that a US citizen loses their citizenship upon taking another nationality. In fact, SCOTUS has ruled that even naturalized citizens don't lose their citizenship if they do that.

[dannno]

Where did you come up with that bull$#@!?

There is no law that states that a US citizen loses their citizenship upon taking another nationality. In fact, SCOTUS has ruled that even naturalized citizens don't lose their citizenship if they do that.

Technically, they do, if you become a citizen of another country after age 18:

Potentially Expatriating Acts

Section 349 of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1481), as amended, states that U.S. nationals are subject to loss of nationality if they perform certain specified acts voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. nationality. Briefly stated, these acts include:

obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon one's own application after the age of 18 (Sec. 349 (a) (1) INA);
taking an oath, affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or its political subdivisions after the age of 18 (Sec. 349 (a) (2) INA);

https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...tionality.html

http://www.americanlaw.com/dualcit.html

[ThePopinator]

Technically, they do, if you become a citizen of another country after age 18:

You need to learn to read.

Potentially Expatriating Acts


Section 349 of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1481), as amended, states that U.S. nationals are subject to loss of nationality if they perform certain specified acts voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. nationality.

Also from the same page:

Administrative Standard of Evidence

As already noted, the actions listed above will result in the loss of U.S. nationality if performed voluntarily and with the intention of relinquishing U.S. nationality. The Department has a uniform administrative standard of evidence based on the premise that U.S. nationals intend to retain United States nationality when they obtain naturalization in a foreign state, declare their allegiance to a foreign state, serve in the armed forces of a foreign state not engaged in hostilities with the United States, or accept non-policy level employment with a foreign government.

When, as the result of an individual's inquiry or an individual's application for registration or a passport it comes to the attention of a U.S. consular officer that a U.S. national has performed an act made potentially expatriating by INA Sections 349(a)(1), 349(a)(2), 349(a)(3) or 349(a)(4) as described above, the consular officer will simply ask the applicant if he/she intended to relinquish U.S. nationality when performing the act. If the answer is no, the consular officer will certify that it was not the person's intent to relinquish U.S. nationality and, consequently, find that the person has retained U.S. nationality.

https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...tionality.html



Oh and these only talk about US Nationality, which is not the same thing as US citizenship.

[spudea]

this doesn't help any side to the argument. It is possible to have dual citizenship status. Ted Cruz did not have to immigrate to the US or have to follow residency requirements and apply to obtain citizenship status in the US because he was already a citizen at birth due to his mother's citizenship status.

The question at hand does the constitutional meaning of natural born defined as requiring the birth place within the borders of the US, or is it defined as citizen at birth.

[GunnyFreedom]

I didn't know that both of his parents had applied for and received Canadian citizenship. I've basically stayed completely out of this debate up to this point, but if that's true then the answer is unequivocally "No," No, he is not eligible.

[GunnyFreedom]

this doesn't help any side to the argument. It is possible to have dual citizenship status. Ted Cruz did not have to immigrate to the US or have to follow residency requirements and apply to obtain citizenship status in the US because he was already a citizen at birth due to his mother's citizenship status.

The question at hand does the constitutional meaning of natural born defined as requiring the birth place within the borders of the US, or is it defined as citizen at birth.

Go back to Original Intent. The original intent behind the natural born citizen clause is to prohibit people who may have divided loyalties from becoming President. IF his mother was also a Canadian citizen at the time, and considering that Ted Cruz's wife actually wrote the blueprint for the CFR of transitioning from the USA to the NAU, then I would say that legitimately calls into question his divided loyalty, and thus original intent is met.

[dannno]

You need to learn to read.



Also from the same page:





https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...tionality.html



Oh and these only talk about US Nationality, which is not the same thing as US citizenship.

So based on the bolded above, we need to start from square one...

Now I remember where I heard it - it was The Young Turks who recently did an expose - they claimed exactly what I said here:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...Young-Birthers


They said that while in practical terms many people remain US citizens, by law they technically do not.

I haven't seen any evidence so far about which side is correct. You're just yelling and making claims and saying I'm wrong about something that apparently wasn't even relevant.

[Kords21]

...considering that Ted Cruz's wife actually wrote the blueprint for the CFR of transitioning from the USA to the NAU, then I would say that legitimately calls into question his divided loyalty, and thus original intent is met.

Wait, what? Where did this little nugget of info come from?

[GunnyFreedom]

Wait, what? Where did this little nugget of info come from?

The Council on Foreign Relations.

Heidi Cruz largely wrote this as part of the CFR's Independent Task Force on North America:

http://www.cfr.org/canada/building-n...ommunity/p8102

Building a North American Community

Chairs: John P. Manley, Pedro Aspe, and William F. Weld
Vice Chairs: Thomas P. D'Aquino, Andres Rozental, President, Mexican Council on Foreign Relations, and Robert A. Pastor, Professor and Founding Director of the Center for North American Studies, American University

Sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations in association with the Canadian Council of Chief Executives and the Consejo Mexicano de Asuntos Internacionales.

North America is vulnerable on several fronts: the region faces terrorist and criminal security threats, increased economic competition from abroad, and uneven economic development at home. In response to these challenges, a trinational, Independent Task Force on the Future of North America has developed a roadmap to promote North American security and advance the well-being of citizens of all three countries.

When the leaders of Canada, Mexico, and the United States met in Texas recently they underscored the deep ties and shared principles of the three countries. The Council-sponsored Task Force applauds the announced “Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America,” but proposes a more ambitious vision of a new community by 2010 and specific recommendations on how to achieve it.

[Kords21]

The Council on Foreign Relations.

Heidi Cruz largely wrote this as part of the CFR's Independent Task Force on North America:

http://www.cfr.org/canada/building-n...ommunity/p8102

Thanks. That explains a lot about what is truly driving Cruz and his rise.

[presence]

Wait, what? Where did this little nugget of info come from?

http://www.cfr.org/canada/building-n...ommunity/p8102

[Lymeade-Lady]

I told my daughter, born in Europe to 2 American parents, that she can never be president...only governor or first lady . (She's been watching debates with me since Ron Paul first ran and she was 2!) So, I'd like to know why even if he's a citizen, that status has changed for those board abroad. That's what I was always told.

Generally, I'm proud to have Cruz as my senator (though I'm really upset about his skipping the Audit vote and Rand Paul is 1000x better, but comparatively, he's not bad and way better than who he replaced.), but I've never thought he was eligible. While the courts could reinterpret that, seems pretty risky to be spending money on a campaign that might get someone elected who can't legally serve. Don't they know the Dem's will push that? I think it's ridiculous. He's not eligible unless the laws change. Then add one non-citizen parent, citizenship in Canada and mom's status questionable...wow. I'd like to see the certificate of American board abroad. That would confirm it all. I'm not much of a birther-type, but I don't think he's eligible unless the courts re-interpret the natural board clause to mean a citizen at birth instead of born in the USA boundaries.

[Chester Copperpot]

The Council on Foreign Relations.

Heidi Cruz largely wrote this as part of the CFR's Independent Task Force on North America:

http://www.cfr.org/canada/building-n...ommunity/p8102

so heidi cruz is goldman sachs AND CFR?? screw ted cruz totally..

[Dianne]

Going by your post, there seems to be way more proof that he's Canadian through and through than he is a U.S. Citizen. I'm not a Trump fan, but he's right that this will create quite a legal mess and would be quite embarrassing to the GOP and all the people who vote for this guy.

In my view, the smoking gun is the fact he renounced his Canadian citizenship just before he entered the Presidential race. I could understand if he were a minor, and just turned age of majority to renounce Canadian citizenship; but he's 40 something years old and did so just before running for the U.S. Presidency?

Now, according to CNN, Cruz is saying he didn't know.

[Dianne]

so heidi cruz is goldman sachs AND CFR?? screw ted cruz totally..

Yeah, and Goldman gave Cruz a million dollar campaign loan Cruz forgot about lol.

[Kords21]

In my view, the smoking gun is the fact he renounced his Canadian citizenship just before he entered the Presidential race. I could understand if he were a minor, and just turned age of majority to renounce Canadian citizenship; but he's 40 something years old and did so just before running for the U.S. Presidency?

Now, according to CNN, Cruz is saying he didn't know.

Besides the loan from Goldman, what is he saying he didn't know about now? That he had renounced his Canadian citizenship?

[Dianne]

I didn't know that both of his parents had applied for and received Canadian citizenship. I've basically stayed completely out of this debate up to this point, but if that's true then the answer is unequivocally "No," No, he is not eligible.

Same here, that's what I think. And if Cruz did not think it was going to be an issue, why did he renounce his Canadian citizenship just months before entering the election. Heck, even Rand Paul mocks Cruz as potentially our first Canadian President.

[Dianne]

Besides the loan from Goldman, what is he saying he didn't know about now? That he had renounced his Canadian citizenship?

Trump was being interviewed earlier on nbc (CNN showed the interview a few moments ago to get opinions from their anchors). Trump brought up that Cruz was already sued today regarding the charges of being Canadian. The commentator said now Cruz is saying he didn't know. Trump said that's even worse if you are running for President and don't even know what country you're a citizen of. Trump then said Cruz also forgot about the Goldman Sachs million dollar loan.

[Dianne]

I know I am a conspiracy theorist to a certain extent. I find conspiracies before Alex Jones does, lol. But hear me out. Ted Cruz's wife, Heidi is a managing director of Goldman Sachs. Managing director is the firm’s second-highest rank. Goldman loaned Ted $1,000,000, a loan Ted forgot to disclose. What if Cruz's entire campaign is to win the nomination, be disqualified, in order for Goldman's favorite darlings Hillary and Bill to then take back the White House. There is no doubting Hillary is Wall Street's candidate and there is some reason Ted Cruz chose to not disclose the million he received from them.

[GunnyFreedom]

so heidi cruz is goldman sachs AND CFR?? screw ted cruz totally..

Irony is you have a guy who worked for George W Bush, promoted the appointment of John Roberts, his wife is a regional director for Goldman Sachs who wrote the blueprint for the North American Union for the Council on Foreign Relations, started his campaign with a million dollar loan from Goldman Sachs....and "grassroots conservatives" are supporting this guy because he's "anti-establishment."

[69360]

His mother was a US citizen at his birth. He is a citizen. There is no doubt of it at all.

[jmdrake]

Hold up? Ted Cruz' dad was a pro Castro Cuban? And Mr. Glenn "everybody is connected to George Soros" Beck has nothing to say about that?

[jmdrake]

His mother was a US citizen at his birth. He is a citizen. There is no doubt of it at all.

Barack Obama's mom was a citizen at his birth and yet republicans made an issue of it claiming he might not be a natural born citizen if he was born in Kenya.

[specsaregood]

Barack Obama's mom was a citizen at his birth and yet republicans made an issue of it claiming he might not be a natural born citizen if he was born in Kenya.

FWIW, I believe that issue was made because his mom was too young to make him a US citizen if he was born outside the US. IIRC, she was 16 and she would have had to be 18+.

[RonPaulMall]

In my view, the smoking gun is the fact he renounced his Canadian citizenship just before he entered the Presidential race. I could understand if he were a minor, and just turned age of majority to renounce Canadian citizenship; but he's 40 something years old and did so just before running for the U.S. Presidency?

That is an irrelevancy. He was born a US Citizen according to US Law. Canada, Cuba, and any number of other nations can consider him a citizen as well, but that it is between him and those nations. If you are born an American Citizen, the US Government considers you an American Citizen whether you like it or not and the only way you can make yourself not a citizen is to take affirmative steps to renounce your citizenship.

The "timeline" has nothing to do with the debate. Ted Cruz was born an American- there is no dispute about that. The question is whether being born an American is enough to be considered natural born. Trump's argument is that it is not. He interprets "natural born" to mean that you are both born an American citizen and born inside the United States. Ted Cruz was born an American Citizen, but like Barry Goldwater, George Romney, and John McCain, he was NOT born inside the United States.