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Thread: Why do we need so much immigration? Officially over 1mln/year

  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    This thread is going to be a train wreck.
    I was wondering how an immigration thread got here,,, till I read post #2
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    I was wondering how an immigration thread got here,,, till I read post #2
    Every thread would be here in this sub-forum if CL's posts had anything to do with it.

  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Still no response to the original question. Is it so hard?
    To the original question..

    I mil? not sure how it matters. The US experiment has failed. (limited government,,personal liberty) the founding principles were rejected long ago .

    People choose Authoritarianism over liberty.
    and they choose all manner of idiots to wield that power.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Still no response to the original question. Is it so hard?
    Review all thread posts, for comprehension. An answer or two will amazingly pop up. BAZINGA!



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  7. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    Review all thread posts, for comprehension. An answer or two will amazingly pop up. BAZINGA!
    You must be thinking about this, logic free argument:


    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    How bout you tell me why government should have the power to tell employers who they can hire and who they can't.
    A child labor coming soon?

  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    A child labor coming soon?
    I realize it's a bit off-topic, but "child labor laws" currently penalize teens who have the time, motivation, and discipline to work. It's been some time since I was a teen, but my hours were closely watched, I wasn't allowed to have more than a certain number of hours, and my ability to save for things I wanted to purchase was cut down. The unfortunate part is that some of my co-workers NEEDED that money. They were working so they could save and move away from some really messed up situations. "For their own good" they turned to not-so-legal means of making money in order to do so.

    As for the answer, several people have pointed out that the question is not very well phrased. Immigration in general is a good idea for a nation, but freebies and an unchecked, unmonitored flow of people are going to cause major problems. All of this is pretty fixable, but the Government benefits from NOT fixing it, and the people generally couple "immigration" with "illegal immigration" or "low-income immigrants." So even if the solutions are pretty obvious, would benefit the nation, and would be relatively simple to implement, no one's going to budge and start fixing things.
    Genuine, willful, aggressive ignorance is the one sure way to tick me off. I wish I could say you were trolling. I know better, and it's just sad.

  9. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    You must be thinking about this, logic free argument:




    A child labor coming soon?
    Nope, more like this. [ Hint: post #15 ] You may not like or agree with it, but it IS a thread question answering response post.

    There are more.

  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    Nope, more like this. [ Hint: post #15 ] You may not like or agree with it, but it IS a thread question answering response post.

    There are more.
    None of these answers can explain the current status quo.

  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    None of these answers can explain the current status quo.
    Could you restate the question?
    Experience teaches us that it is much easier to prevent an enemy from posting themselves than it is to dislodge them after they have got possession.
    ~ George Washington

  12. #70
    Ok, I gotcha! But my question is....... Who is the "we" you are referring to? I think people have answered it from the perspective of "we" the people. Are you looking for the perspective of "we" TPTB?
    Experience teaches us that it is much easier to prevent an enemy from posting themselves than it is to dislodge them after they have got possession.
    ~ George Washington

  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Annie View Post
    Ok, I gotcha! But my question is....... Who is the "we" you are referring to? I think people have answered it from the perspective of "we" the people. Are you looking for the perspective of "we" TPTB?

  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Annie View Post
    Ok, I gotcha! But my question is....... Who is the "we" you are referring to? I think people have answered it from the perspective of "we" the people. Are you looking for the perspective of "we" TPTB?
    Support for immigration regulation is entirely based on the premise of a "we" with collective interests that must be defended. It makes no sense at all when every individual is treated as an individual.



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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    Support for immigration regulation is entirely based on the premise of a "we" with collective interests that must be defended. It makes no sense at all when every individual is treated as an individual.
    So, I am guessing you are a globalist then? And think that the world should have no borders?
    Experience teaches us that it is much easier to prevent an enemy from posting themselves than it is to dislodge them after they have got possession.
    ~ George Washington

  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    Support for immigration regulation is entirely based on the premise of a "we" with collective interests that must be defended.
    It also assumes that immigrants (people) are threats.
    and your neighbors too,,, when you need police to protect you from your fellow man..

    seems awfully fear based to me.. one might even say bordering on paranoia.

    and since this is the Religion forum,, the Spirit of Fear does not come from God.
    Last edited by pcosmar; 01-17-2016 at 09:54 PM.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    It also assumes that immigrants (people) are threats.
    and your neighbors too,,, when you need police to protect you from your fellow man..

    seems awfully fear based to me.. one might even say bordering on paranoia.

    and since this is the Religion forum,, the Spirit of Fear does not come from God.
    No, fear does not come from God, but God does support a nation's sovereignty. Since the tower of Babel, God does not support a One World Government.
    Experience teaches us that it is much easier to prevent an enemy from posting themselves than it is to dislodge them after they have got possession.
    ~ George Washington

  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Annie View Post
    No, fear does not come from God, but God does support a nation's sovereignty. Since the tower of Babel, God does not support a One World Government.
    Not until He is the one ruling over it.

  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Not until He is the one ruling over it.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Dr.3D again.......... ugh Still.
    Experience teaches us that it is much easier to prevent an enemy from posting themselves than it is to dislodge them after they have got possession.
    ~ George Washington

  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Annie View Post
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Dr.3D again.......... ugh Still.
    Yeah, it's a socialist system, gotta spread the rep ya know.

  22. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Annie View Post
    No, fear does not come from God, but God does support a nation's sovereignty. Since the tower of Babel, God does not support a One World Government.
    God did not support that government, (it was a type of one to come) and has not since.

    Not the US Government nor any other. They will all be crushed when Christ returns.

    Government authority does not come from God but from the prince of this world. It is error to believe otherwise.
    The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. If you worship me, it will all be yours.”
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  23. #80
    we need mass immigration to fill all these jobs we have available
    A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police

    We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.
    - Edward R. Murrow

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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    God did not support that government, (it was a type of one to come) and has not since.

    Not the US Government nor any other. They will all be crushed when Christ returns.

    Government authority does not come from God but from the prince of this world. It is error to believe otherwise.
    Not only did God support Nationalism, he supported border walls, and self defense. Read the book of Nehemiah.
    Experience teaches us that it is much easier to prevent an enemy from posting themselves than it is to dislodge them after they have got possession.
    ~ George Washington

  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Annie View Post
    Not only did God support Nationalism, he supported border walls, and self defense. Read the book of Nehemiah.
    That was about city walls. That has nothing to do with nationalism. And even if it did, it wasn't about the USA.

  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Annie View Post
    No, fear does not come from God, but God does support a nation's sovereignty. Since the tower of Babel, God does not support a One World Government.
    Why do you make a false dichotomy between "a nation's sovereignty" and one-world-government?

    What is "a nation's sovereignty"?

    Where is such a thing mentioned approvingly in the Bible? Everything I can find in the Bible about some people ruling over others says it's sinful.

  28. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    That was about city walls. That has nothing to do with nationalism. And even if it did, it wasn't about the USA.
    The city was sovereign. Be it a city, a nation, a town, or a village. Sovereignty matters and IS nationalism. I don't care if it wasn't about the US, God supported it.
    Experience teaches us that it is much easier to prevent an enemy from posting themselves than it is to dislodge them after they have got possession.
    ~ George Washington

  29. #85
    Half the present US population is still way too many.

  30. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Annie View Post
    Sovereignty matters and IS nationalism.
    Sovereignty has nothing to do with whether goods and people are allowed to cross borders freely.

    A state is sovereign if and only if it is able to enforce whatever laws it likes within its territory.

    It has nothing to do with which laws it chooses to enforce.

    A state which could close the borders, but chooses not to, is no less sovereign than one which does in fact close the borders.

  31. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Annie View Post
    No, fear does not come from God, but God does support a nation's sovereignty. Since the tower of Babel, God does not support a One World Government.
    NO.. he does not.

    The nations will be judged.. and then eliminated.

    This world is ruled by Satan.. and will be till Christ returns.

    This is common confusion,,

    The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. If you worship me, it will all be yours.”
    All earthly authority is satan's to give..
    If you have any authority in this world,, you got it from him.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  32. #88

    It's Because We're Trying to Be Multicultural Like Other Socialist Nations

    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Please chime in with your responses. Try to to avoid sarcasm. Muchas gracias.
    Just ask Sweden:

    "Then David said to the Philistine, 'You come to me with a sword, a spear, and a javelin, but I come to you in the name of Yahweh of hosts, the God of the battle lines of Israel, Whom you have reproached.'" - 1 Samuel 17:45

    "May future generations look back on our work and say that these were men and women who, in moment of great crisis, stood up to their politicians, the opinion-makers, and the Establishment, and saved their country." - Dr. Ron Paul



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  34. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Annie View Post
    The city was sovereign. Be it a city, a nation, a town, or a village. Sovereignty matters and IS nationalism. I don't care if it wasn't about the US, God supported it.

    NO. Israel was a people,, a family ..

    They wanted a King

    To be LIKE THE HEATHEN.

    please Miss Annie,,, don't try to be like the heathen.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  35. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Annie View Post
    The city was sovereign. Be it a city, a nation, a town, or a village. Sovereignty matters and IS nationalism. I don't care if it wasn't about the US, God supported it.
    Earlier you were talking about the Bible. Now you're just making stuff up.

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