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Thread: New Rand Paul AD, 'Learn From Mistakes' | Campaign 2016 (1:30)

  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by limequat View Post
    Lol, at CNN's typo. They meant to say Cruz and Rubio are at the top of the polls. Finally an error in our favor!

    "The Kentucky Republican has struggled to gain traction in the polls and has hovered in the low single digits for months. Cruz and Paul, meanwhile, have been cementing spots among the top four candidates in recent weeks. "
    Somebody is getting fired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carlton View Post
    Yeah but average TV viewers tune out ads after 60 seconds.
    or, average viewer goes channel surfing within one second of a commercial break,
    and if comes back to that station or not, probably often lands in commercials already in progress



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  5. #33
    Reason doesn't seem to be on board with this ad at all and neither do all their commentors. I, OTOH, think the ad is great.
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  6. #34
    When I first saw the title I thought it might be referring to the campaign learning from mistakes..
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  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Crashland View Post
    When I first saw the title I thought it might be referring to the campaign learning from mistakes..
    Rand should project more power. The wording is weak - "sounded the alarm"? Who the f**k wrote this? Is he Henny Penny?

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by carlton View Post
    Reason doesn't seem to be on board with this ad at all and neither do all their commentors. I, OTOH, think the ad is great.
    I don't like the fear mongering either, but it's the voter base he's trying to get votes from.

    Ron ran an immigration ad in 2008.

    https://youtu.be/2T-iJKwskH4

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by carlton View Post
    Yeah but average TV viewers tune out ads after 60 seconds.
    There are probably 30-second versions to run on TV.

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by groverblue View Post
    It's sad we have to resort to irrational fearmongering, but I guess this is war.
    What is irrational about it?

    Rand's plan basically amounts to a stronger vetting process for immigrants. Given the fact that the government is handing hour welfare to everyone who comes to America, without doing a good job of making sure that we aren't funding our own attackers, I think this is entirely fair.

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    The opt-out ads on many youtubes with [skip ad] button within 5 secs can run a minute and a half

    Radio ads as well are fiscally conservative and maybe worth their buck.

    Some copyright use licensing may depend on how much airtime the ad spot gets



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    I like it othrr than it doesnt mention Rand Paul until nearly 3/4 of the way through.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by carlton View Post
    Link or Screenshot?
    Link from LatinsforPaul. Still up last I checked.

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  15. #42
    This ad was made for Rand to have something to go on the network shows to talk about how he is different from Cruz and Rubio.

    They all know its not going to get the hardcore fanatic Cruz supporters to see through immediately, its not meant for the online crowd, its meant for Rand to go on TV and talk to the general GOP base and hopefully get his points to the voters who will go out on caucus day.

    Everyone needs to just phone bank and chill.

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  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Rand should project more power. The wording is weak - "sounded the alarm"? Who the f**k wrote this? Is he Henny Penny?
    I agree. Stronger language
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  17. #44
    It's too long and it's not an question that's going to gain Rand a lot of traction with voters considering he can be hit back with his own views on immigration.

    A campaign without a theme is going to produce ads like this.

    https://reason.com/blog/2015/12/14/r...o-anti-refugee

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Badger Paul View Post
    It's too long and it's not an question that's going to gain Rand a lot of traction with voters considering he can be hit back with his own views on immigration.

    A campaign without a theme is going to produce ads like this.

    https://reason.com/blog/2015/12/14/r...o-anti-refugee
    You are Anthony Fisher?

  19. #46
    A fear that is irrational (not proportional to risk, relative to other day-to-day risks) shouldn't be used in a sophistic way to drum up support. Instead, a real leader would try to talk them off the bandwagon headed over a cliff. You are at more risk of death from your bathtub than from terrorists. Where is Rand spreading this uncomfortable Truth (like his dad did) on this issue? And before you speak of him trying to win, unlike his dad, explain why his poll numbers and donations are lower than his dad's at this same comparable point then. This is both unethical AND pragmatically a failure.

    This guy will deserve the loss he's handed, unlike his dad.
    Quote Originally Posted by Xerographica View Post

    Yes, I want to force consumers to buy trampolines, popcorn, environmental protection and national defense whether or not they really demand them. And I definitely want to outlaw all alternatives. Nobody should be allowed to compete with the state. Private security companies, private healthcare, private package delivery, private education, private disaster relief, private militias...should all be outlawed.
    ^Minimalist state socialism (minarchy) taken to its logical conclusions; communism.

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by ProIndividual View Post
    A fear that is irrational (not proportional to risk, relative to other day-to-day risks) shouldn't be used in a sophistic way to drum up support. Instead, a real leader would try to talk them off the bandwagon headed over a cliff. You are at more risk of death from your bathtub than from terrorists. Where is Rand spreading this uncomfortable Truth (like his dad did) on this issue? And before you speak of him trying to win, unlike his dad, explain why his poll numbers and donations are lower than his dad's at this same comparable point then. This is both unethical AND pragmatically a failure.

    This guy will deserve the loss he's handed, unlike his dad.
    There are 14 candidates, and the other 13 all want to send ground troops to Iraq and Syria, along with around 60% of the GOP who actually vote. If you try to compare previous cycles to this one, you will be disappointed every time. You are in the minority here, for every 1 of you who gripe about this video, there were 10 more griping that he needed to put out a video like this.

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by ProIndividual View Post
    A fear that is irrational (not proportional to risk, relative to other day-to-day risks) shouldn't be used in a sophistic way to drum up support. Instead, a real leader would try to talk them off the bandwagon headed over a cliff. You are at more risk of death from your bathtub than from terrorists. Where is Rand spreading this uncomfortable Truth (like his dad did) on this issue? And before you speak of him trying to win, unlike his dad, explain why his poll numbers and donations are lower than his dad's at this same comparable point then. This is both unethical AND pragmatically a failure.

    This guy will deserve the loss he's handed, unlike his dad.



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    There is not one candidate who has run for president in my lifetime who can say they fully share my commitment to liberty, Austrian economics, small government, and following the Constitution, than my son, Rand Paul.

    That's why I have wholeheartedly endorsed him.

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  23. #49
    Can't help it...in spite of its flaws (newsletter reference), this is so funny and I couldn't find it posted already. Mods, feel free to delete. By the way, is the guy doing the filibuster sequence the same one in "We have a dinosaur"? Enjoy.

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by ProIndividual View Post
    A fear that is irrational (not proportional to risk, relative to other day-to-day risks) shouldn't be used in a sophistic way to drum up support. Instead, a real leader would try to talk them off the bandwagon headed over a cliff. You are at more risk of death from your bathtub than from terrorists. Where is Rand spreading this uncomfortable Truth (like his dad did) on this issue? And before you speak of him trying to win, unlike his dad, explain why his poll numbers and donations are lower than his dad's at this same comparable point then. This is both unethical AND pragmatically a failure.

    This guy will deserve the loss he's handed, unlike his dad.
    "this guy" has done more to promote liberty in one day then you will do for your entire life. Get over yourself.
    "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it."
    James Madison

    "It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." - Samuel Adams



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  25. #51
    If you consider paleocon "liberty", then sure...lol. I'm sure so many people have converted to libertarian because of Rand. Oh wait, he says he isn't libertarian, used snarky language about us and marijuana legalization before, and he is drawing in less and less libertarian voters. I think that qualifies as watering down the liberty movement. He isn't doing what his dad did, which expanded the liberty movement. Get over that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Xerographica View Post

    Yes, I want to force consumers to buy trampolines, popcorn, environmental protection and national defense whether or not they really demand them. And I definitely want to outlaw all alternatives. Nobody should be allowed to compete with the state. Private security companies, private healthcare, private package delivery, private education, private disaster relief, private militias...should all be outlawed.
    ^Minimalist state socialism (minarchy) taken to its logical conclusions; communism.

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by ProIndividual View Post
    If you consider paleocon "liberty", then sure...lol. I'm sure so many people have converted to libertarian because of Rand. Oh wait, he says he isn't libertarian, used snarky language about us and marijuana legalization before, and he is drawing in less and less libertarian voters. I think that qualifies as watering down the liberty movement. He isn't doing what his dad did, which expanded the liberty movement. Get over that.
    Many of Ron's "supporters" weren't even libertarian.

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by SilentBull View Post
    Many of Ron's "supporters" weren't even libertarian.
    Truth.

    Also, when Ron ran, he was the only one on stage preaching non-intervention. Now the field is split with the top 2-3 candidates saying we shouldn't have gone into Iraq and that intervention has been a mistake.
    We now have Cruz talking about auditing the Fed. And several candidates are talking about abolishing the IRS.

    The best parts of libertarianism have gone mainstream.
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