No, why would we do that?Originally Posted by PaleoPaul
He's the one that's been saying for the past few weeks that there were great things in store for the Paul campaign, and now there's a 99% likely chance he's going to be relegated to the kiddy table.
Chip is the campaign manager, AKA, he manages the campaign to make sure things are going smoothly and the campaign is run effectively. Rand hired him because Chip got Bruce Rauner elected in a blue state. He was supposed to be this awesome Millennial campaigner, yet Rand's campaign is on life support! At this same time, Ron was slowly and quietly surging to the top!
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A campaign manager is always going to make optimistic statements about the campaign; that's his job.
What's your specific complaint?Chip is the campaign manager, AKA, he manages the campaign to make sure things are going smoothly and the campaign is run effectively. Rand hired him because Chip got Bruce Rauner elected in a blue state. He was supposed to be this awesome Millennial campaigner, yet Rand's campaign is on life support! At this same time, Ron was slowly and quietly surging to the top!
That the campaign isn't going so well doesn't necessarily mean that any mistakes were made.
A perfectly run campaign can still fail.
What is the big deal about him being on the other stage. He's going to get 3 to 4 times more speaking time. Plus he's still polling 5th, with a huge ground game in Iowa.
Quit being "chicken little" and donate. Have a little faith.
Yes, and some really poorly run campaigns can be polling double digits.
Some people just don't deal very well with adversity.
Honest question, if something like Paris and San Bernardino would have happened in the last primaries, do you think that would that have helped or hurt Ron? From what I remember, it was mostly the economy that everyone was hampering about.
My complaint is that Ron was able to dominate the polls and make a respectable top-tier showing in Iowa and New Hampshire, when his campaign was run by Jesse Freakin' Benton of all people. However, Rand's campaign is on life support, and his manager is run by someone with actual political experience!
Apples and oranges, I don't see why people keep trying to make these comparisons.
Very true! It's better to be on a small stage than no stage at least. And his latest national poll ranking of 5th is something to be optimistic about. Polls are polls. The only polls that matter are the actual primaries and caucuses! Let's go guys!
As has been said before, this is not 2012.
There's a radically different narrative this cycle (much less emphasis on the economy, rabid nationalism, revived fear of terrorism, etc) - very unfavorable to libertarians.
There are also 13 candidates. At this time in 2012, there were only 7.
And it's not only the numbers which make it harder for Rand to stand out.
Ron was the only remotely libertarian candidate in 2012.
This cycle, Rand has to compete with several others who are good enough at pretending to be libertarian-ish that they can cut into his base.
Ron would be doing as badly or worse in this environment.
The irony is we have Ron to thank for making some ideas popular enough that the politicians like Cruz give them lip service while doing the complete opposite. And they get away with it.
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Statement:
Rand Paul for President Issues Debate Statement:
Prior to CNN's Republican Presidential debate announcement, Rand Paul for President has had discussions with the RNC and CNN in which the campaign indicated that Rand Paul should be on the main stage on Tuesday. Our campaign asserts that fairness in dealing with polling variances, which previously allowed for amended rules for Carly Fiorina for CNN's August Republican Presidential debate, would indicate Rand Paul should be on the main stage during Tuesday's debate.
Some of the points include:
1. Polling criteria has been amended in the previous CNN debate in a similar manner to what we are urging be done today.
In August, polls were all over the place. Older polls had one result, while newer ones had another. Even in contemporaneous polls, there were different people ahead and behind. Thus it was determined that additional time periods and criteria were warranted for fairness. We ask for the same process today.
A. In addition to the previously announced criteria, if a candidate qualified via the polling between the last debate and this debate, they are on the main stage.
B. In addition to the previously announced and above criteria, if a candidate is above other main stage participants in multiple polls, they are on the main stage. Senator Paul is in the TOP FIVE in multiple polls, including the newest New York Times national poll.
2. Senator Paul has a national, first-tier campaign, organized in all 50 states. He is on the ballot everywhere that has had filing. He has over 400 fully operational grassroots groups, and his campaign and related entities have raised $22 million for this race. It is simply not consistent with facts to attempt to force the campaign off of the main debate stage.
3. Rounding up should be applied. Polling margins are simply too wide to allow a quarter or half a point to determine the outcome.
4. The campaign is not asking for special treatment, but simply fairness in criteria, whether it be time frames, allowances for poll variances, or rounding, all of which have been applied to other debates.
Senator Paul is eager for Tuesday's CNN debate, and looks forward to his fair and rightful place on the main stage.
I think 1B is very persuasive.
CNN throwing gas on the fire all week long:
I thought they were going to announce something this morning... Did I miss it?
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Not yet. When they do, it will be here:
http://cnn.it/1lEIiBE
I bet the delay has something to do with Rand...that 5% from Fox this morning may save him.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. It makes sense for them to replace their old poll instead of using an outdated one. Rand is at 4% in that case.
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"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
I'm thinking it might suggest that the FOX News poll caused delay in their announcement. That leads me to believe consideration is being given to the exception Rand is requesting.
"Those who slumber on the path to tyranny, sink on the river to freedom." - Brett D.
"I am not attacking you Eric. I am stating historical fact. Leon Trotsky taught Leo Straus everything he knew about Communism. Leo Straus set up shop at the University of Chicago. There Straus mentored and educated the godfather of the neoconservative movement, Kristol the Elder. See? It is not an attack, it is a statement of historical fact." - Random RP Supporter Spreading Some Love
Or it could be about another campaign like Graham or Pataki getting into the undercard.
Foreign policy is the number ONE issue this year, 2012 it was the economy. Compairing ANY campaign from previous elections is ludicrous. Santorum won IA and quite a number of states 4 years ago. He is a 1% now. Huckabee won IA and a very large number of states in 08 now he is at 1%. Will you people quit trying to compare last election to this election.
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Nah... They can do math fast. It's the lawyers that slow things down. If they were just looking at a collection of polls, it's very easy to add up who meets their threshold.
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
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