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Thread: Are Hispanic Immigrants America's Best Defense Against Tyranny?

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    Are Hispanic Immigrants America's Best Defense Against Tyranny?

    An interesting perspective from Reason Magazine.

    https://reason.com/archives/2015/12/...ericas-best-de

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    In a few short months, Trump has vastly grown America's appetite for draconian government. He has proposed rounding up millions of undocumented Latinos and evicting them en masse. He is determined to close mosques. He wants to massively expand surveillance of Americans and has even flirted with issuing identification cards to Muslims, a blanket ban on Muslims entering the country, and "taking out" not just terrorists but their families as well. "Trump's proposals have gone from overt prejudice to things literally taken out of late Weimar history," as The Week columnist Ryan Cooper has noted.

    Regardless of who eventually becomes the GOP nominee, he or she will have a very hard time yanking all the red meat that Trump has dangled before the Republican base. Ben Carson, another presidential candidate not distinguished by his sobriety on policy issues, has endorsed Trump's call for monitoring mosques and churches. He is having second thoughts about Trump's suggestion to create a special national registry for Muslims, but thinks that one for all immigrants would be a swell idea. Other Republican candidates might hate Trump's guts, but that doesn't mean that they can ignore his poisonous prescriptions. There is no doubt that his presence has forced them to harden their stance against immigrants, "welfare-mooching" Hispanics, Syrian refugees, and Muslims. If Republicans take control of the White House while holding on to both houses of Congress in this sulfurous climate, an ugly government crackdown can hardly be ruled out, especially should there be another terrorist attack on American soil.

    But Latinos are well positioned to thwart the Republican bid for the presidency and save America from itself.
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    Given how much tyranny Latinos are used to putting up with at home, I'd SWAG probably not.

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    But Latinos are well positioned to thwart the Republican bid for the presidency and save America from itself.
    Implying that a Dem president will save America?
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    this is what you see when the pro-immigration case falls apart completely and you get a helplessly desperate grasping at straws

    Not ONE of the countries where the Hispanics are coming from is a free nation - they don't have the background and don't know what freedom is, it's not part of their experience.

    I wouldn't bet on that outcome with your money.

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    Any and all of the candidates including Hillary are better than trump. They maybe very well the voters that stop trump.
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    Yeah, because Latin American Governments are sooo known for being paragons of limited government. Typical nonsense from Reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thoughtomator View Post
    this is what you see when the pro-immigration case falls apart completely and you get a helplessly desperate grasping at straws

    Not ONE of the countries where the Hispanics are coming from is a free nation - they don't have the background and don't know what freedom is, it's not part of their experience.

    I wouldn't bet on that outcome with your money.
    Isn't the very history of America one of people fleeing nations that weren't exactly free?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabal View Post
    Implying that a Dem president will save America?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabal View Post
    Implying that a Dem president will save America?
    From Donald Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thoughtomator View Post
    this is what you see when the pro-immigration case falls apart completely and you get a helplessly desperate grasping at straws

    Not ONE of the countries where the Hispanics are coming from is a free nation - they don't have the background and don't know what freedom is, it's not part of their experience.

    I wouldn't bet on that outcome with your money.
    How is any of this relevant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulMall View Post
    Yeah, because Latin American Governments are sooo known for being paragons of limited government. Typical nonsense from Reason.
    I'm sure, given your Vinlanders Social Club flag, that you're not biased against them for any other reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Vote Liberty! Vote limited government! Vote Hillary 2016!
    Well, we are in a alternate universe now, why not? (obligatory disclaimer, I'm not voting for Hillary)
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    Are Hispanic Immigrants America's Best Defense Against Tyranny?
    LMAO no....
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
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    It's just two fairly simple and uncontroversial points:

    1) Donald Trump is a paragon of despotism, more so than any other candidate of either party.
    2) Hispanic voters are likely to vote against him as a block.

    As I see it, that one feat of saving America from Trump, by itself would justify amnesty for illegal immigrants. Sure Hillary's bad, but not as bad as Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    It's just two fairly simple and uncontroversial points:

    1) Donald Trump is a paragon of despotism, more so than any other candidate of either party.
    2) Hispanic voters are likely to vote against him as a block.

    As I see it, that one feat of saving America from Trump, by itself would justify amnesty for illegal immigrants. Sure Hillary's bad, but not as bad as Trump.
    Trump is going to lose, "Hispanics" or no "Hispanics".
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    Quote Originally Posted by klamath View Post
    Any and all of the candidates including Hillary are better than trump. They maybe very well the voters that stop trump.
    lol. You see a much greater degree of separation than I do. They both suck and would destroy the country in different ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    As I see it, that one feat of saving America from Trump, by itself would justify amnesty for illegal immigrants. Sure Hillary's bad, but not as bad as Trump.
    Are we seriously to the point where the supposed PaleoCons are backing Trump the liberal dictator, and the open border 'libertarians' are rooting for Hillary?
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    Are we seriously to the point where the supposed PaleoCons are backing Trump the liberal dictator, and the open border 'libertarians' are rooting for Hillary?
    No.
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    No!! And Reason magazine has become an embarrassing joke.

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    The answer is:

    ​Hell no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    I'm sure, given your Vinlanders Social Club flag, that you're not biased against them for any other reasons.
    I thought that was a Norwegian flag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Isn't the very history of America one of people fleeing nations that weren't exactly free?
    From places that were not free at the time, but that had a prior tradition of freedom. They had points of reference our recent waves of immigrants do not have.



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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    Are we seriously to the point where the supposed PaleoCons are backing Trump the liberal dictator, and the open border 'libertarians' are rooting for Hillary?
    No, I'm definitely not rooting for Hillary, just against Trump.

    Whatever anybody who supports Trump is, they're not any kind of conservative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NapoleonIII View Post
    I thought that was a Norwegian flag.
    Nope.

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    From the article.

    It is true that Hispanics are no great friends of limited government. Polls show that 34 percent more Hispanics support a "big government that provides more services" than the general public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    No, I'm definitely not rooting for Hillary, just against Trump.

    Whatever anybody who supports Trump is, they're not any kind of conservative.
    OK. Yeah, I agree that anyone who supports Trump is not a conservative. As far as Hillary vs Trump I really think its hard to say who would be worse. Hillary would probably try to ban guns and homeschooling. Trump will be a dictator. I don't see how Trump can win anyway. He's ahead in the polls but talking about running third party again.

    I still think he's in the race to benefit Hillary.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rifleman View Post
    From the article.
    Yes. That's part of the point. But don't focus on that to the neglect of the other side of the coin, which is that they may still help keep Trump out of office, and he is a far greater enemy of freedom than they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    It's just two fairly simple and uncontroversial points:

    1) Donald Trump is a paragon of despotism, more so than any other candidate of either party.
    2) Hispanic voters are likely to vote against him as a block.

    As I see it, that one feat of saving America from Trump, by itself would justify amnesty for illegal immigrants. Sure Hillary's bad, but not as bad as Trump.
    Yes, Hillary really isn't that bad. Maybe a bit worse than Obama, who also really isn't that bad.
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