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    Give Me Carrots or Give Me Death!

    I'm pretty religious about what I eat. I do eat meat... but whenever possible I like to look it in the heart with a scope first; I feel a duty about that.

    I also eat a lot of fresh veggies... namely organic carrots; probably no less than 5 a day most of my adult life.


    I've spent a few weekends in jail... the only thing I ate off that tray was the extra polysorbated bitter pickle ends.


    Got me thinking... if I had to go long term... surely I'd have to give up my kill it before I eat it... but would I have to give up my carrots?

    First google search took me here, an article from 2013 by an imprisoned vegan:




    https://www.vice.com/read/the-strict...soner-playbook




    I am a vegan. Nineteen years deep into a lifelong commitment to avoid eating anything from an animal. In following this moral code I have found myself at protests turned riots, donning cow costumes at meat processing conventions, and creeping into slaughterhouses in complete darkness to film the inhumane treatment of animals. When I was arrested in 1998 and faced “Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act” (AETA) charges that could have put me in prison for 82 years, I chose an underground life over a potential life sentence. I became a fugitive on the run from the FBI until 2005, when I was arrested and sentenced to two years in prison for releasing thousands of minks from fur farms.
    While living on the lam I put as much effort into vegan dining as the FBI did into catching me. I ate seitan marinated in sesame ginger sauce and roasted red pepper hummus on sprouted grain pizza crust. I double-fisted dried strawberries and malted carob balls, drank rice shakes every morning and sipped kombucha every night. Agave nectar was my table sugar, and organic carrot-juice my wine.
    Once I was thrown into a prison cell, this comfortable reality instantly evaporated. Three times a day, the slot on my cell door opened, delivering trays piled with every variety of animal flesh and byproduct. The trace amounts of iceberg lettuce barely pushed my caloric intake into the double digits. I launched a nightly letter-writing campaign, targeting anyone with influence. Everyone from the prison captain, to the kitchen manager, to Congressperson Barbara Boxer received my letters. My demands were simple: No meat, dairy, or eggs. In this one-sided negotiation process, leverage was in short supply.
    After two years and seven prisons, I learned a thing or three about how to get meat-free food in prison. Here’s my playbook for imprisoned vegans who refuse to compromise.
    Move #1: The Phone Assault
    Mob action phone calls work. In prison protests, what is important is not the actual threat, but the perceived threat. A tidal wave of friends and family soliciting the prison with their phone calls in outrage over a legally actionable denial of edible food suddenly recasts you as an inmate with power, influence, and connections. Suddenly, the world is watching. An incentive to comply is borne through averting a lawsuit, or perhaps even an angry mob storming the prison lobby. After dozens of activists hammered a prison where I was detained in Wisconsin, the captain was quoted as saying, “cooking vegetables is easier than hosing down rioters in the parking lot.”
    Move #2: Find God
    Prisons tend to recognize special diets by way of allergies or religious beliefs. Many faiths advocate fasting as a technique of spiritual enlightenment, bringing one closer to God. Twelve days without a full meal in a prison that only recognized vegan food if it was religiously motivated, and God quickly earned a central role in my life. After 28 years of atheism, I became a born again some-vegetarian-religion-or-another kind of inmate. Claiming an allergy to meat, dairy, and eggs is a tough sell. I've tried, but after many failed attempts, I think the best option is a divine conversion to the Seventh Day Adventist, Buddhist, Krishna, or other verifiably vegetarian faith.
    Move #3: Hunger Strike
    The rough mathematical basis for this tactic is outlined in the following equation, expressed through the mind of a cop: Hunger striking prisoner = dead prisoner = legal consequences times the concern of public outcry and media attention, squared by the inability to pay an out of court wrongful death settlement.
    Move #4: Commissary
    The prison store is the abusive partner that you are forced to live with because you have nowhere else to go. The vegan selection in the commissary of the average prison mirrors the vegan selection at an average Nebraska truck stop. Duplex cookies, peanuts, chili ramen, trail mix, and Fritos all make up what I call, “the lowest common denominators of veganism.”
    Move #5: Trade with Inmates
    Because the prison world is the opposite of anything sane or healthy, the most processed non-foods are the ones most coveted by convicts. Even the most accommodating prison will never really get it 100 percent right, and those non-vegan items that will occasionally arrive on your tray give you incredible bargaining power over other inmates. When in possession of non-vegan fare, I would launch the bargaining process by shouting, “I have cake for apples!” and watch the bidding war erupt. When it’s over, you'll probably get four apples for that single serving of cake.
    Move #6: Black Market
    The prison black market is huge, and its largest segment is food. In the prison economy, stamps are money, and for the right price, any food item can be stolen from the kitchen and delivered to your cell. Imagine cases of Boca burgers, or vegan pumpkin pies made-to-order.
    Here is a rough price list based on my experiences:
    - One five-pound bag of oatmeal (cost: 10 stamps)
    - One four-pack of tofu (12 stamps)
    - One bag of just-add-water soy meat (12 stamps)
    In two years of trial and error, I had gone from starving and desperate to well fed and gluttonous. They said it couldn’t be done, but I managed to remain strictly vegan in prison. The day of my release, I walked outside the prison gates with a hefty bag of mail and into the arms of the six friends who arrived to take me home. The cake that they had baked, adorned with the words “Happy Freedom” was a nice gesture, but I reached right past it for the salad.
    PETER YOUNG

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...




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    I used to be mostly vegetarian, almost never eating meat and occasional fish. Now I'm mostly paleo.

    If you're doing it for health reasons - grain fed meat isn't particularly good, especially if grains are the vast bulk of their diet and they aren't getting time in the pasture - wild, grassfed or pastured meat is very good for you with very high nutritional value and good fats.

    If you're doing it for moral reasons - consider that creating giant swaths of land for farming is wiping out animals and ecosystems. Every time the soil is turned, hundreds or even thousands of small animals die. You can kill one animal, a cow or buffalo, and eat for months. By eating wild animals, you are not destroying all the animals or ecosystems, just a mild culling. Less deer means less mountain lions and other predators in your backyard. Much of Colorado is over-run with mountain lions because they have too many laws against hunting deer. By eating pastured animals, much of the ecosystems can stay in tact as well assuming you aren't growing a lot of grain crops to feed them.

    There are still a lot of nutritional and healthy vegetarian foods that I still keep in my arsenal and continue to enjoy.

    That was still an interesting story, though.
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    No real preference?



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