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    We should be thankful for immigrants

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/i...ed-states.html

    By Abigail R. Hall Nov. 26, 2015 12:00 a.m.

    Many of us will travel today to visit friends and family for the Thanksgiving holiday. It's the time of year we remember all the reasons we are thankful.

    This year I'm particularly thankful for immigrants. In fact, I'm grateful for those who come here legally and for those who come here illegally.

    You should be thankful, too.

    I say this with the so-called “immigration crisis” in mind – both here and abroad. Although many people emigrate to the United States and Europe to escape troubled places like Iraq and Syria, not to mention poverty in Latin America, Africa and Asia, we have several reasons to be thankful they do.

    Immigrants spawn job creation. Immigrants don't just bring their labor to the United States; they bring their needs, too. Just as native workers demand food, clothing, housing and entertainment, so, too, do immigrants. That creates job opportunities. A recent study by researchers at Indiana University and the University of Virginia, for instance, found that each new immigrant produces about 1.2 new jobs. Most of these new positions are filled by domestic workers.

    Typically, we hear that immigrants “take our jobs.” If this were true, however, we would expect the unemployment rate to rise significantly as these new workers enter the labor force. That has not happened.

    The unemployment rate in 1960 was 5.5 percent. Since then, tens of millions of immigrants have come to the United States. By 2000, nearly 4.5 million “undocumented” Mexicans had entered the country. Between 1959-70 alone, almost half a million Cubans moved to the U.S. Add to this the millions who have come here from the rest of the world, with and without permission. Nevertheless, in 2015, as we continue to recover from the last recession, unemployment is at 5.5 percent. The fact is, there are a lot more jobs today, with the wave of immigrants, than there were in 1960.

    Immigrants boost the overall economy. Although many who oppose immigration worry about a “drain on social services,” this is likely unfounded. In 2013 the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development, in one of the most comprehensive studies of immigration in 28 countries, found that immigrants consistently add significantly more to an economy than they use in public services. In the United States the average immigrant household pays about $11,000 a year more in taxes than it receives in government benefits.

    As low-skilled immigrants join the U.S. workforce they “free up” higher-skilled workers to undertake more productive activities to which they are better-suited. In other words, low-skilled immigrants enable the economy to afford greater specialization. As people specialize further, the economy grows, and everyone is made better off.

    Immigration reduces poverty. Many foreign workers make more money in the United States than in their home countries. Researchers from the Center for Global Development and World Bank found that, by moving to the United States, a Peruvian worker, for example, earns 2.6 times more than he would make at home. For other countries, this “place premium” is higher. A Filipino worker makes 3.5 times more in the United States than in the Philippines. Haitians earn nearly eight times more.

    This has substantial implications for poverty around the world. By allowing labor to flow into the United States, we could reduce human suffering much more effectively than current government efforts – such as foreign aid – to combat poverty. Moreover, many immigrants send a portion of their incomes back home. These remittances substantially benefit their poor families, in many cases providing more money and opportunities than foreign aid.

    So when we gather with family and friends to give thanks for all we have, remember those who have recently arrived in our country. Immigrants boost our economy, create jobs and reduce poverty around the world. I'm glad they're here.

    Abigail R. Hall is an Independent Institute research fellow and an assistant professor of economics at the University of Tampa, Fla.



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    If we weren't already over 100% overfull already I might be somewhat more willing to consider it.

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    Abigale sounds like a Keynesian economist. Blah Blah Blah. More people more demand. Just like more money printing will create more demand.

    Immigrants are beneficial when they're skilled and self sufficient. They're not beneficial when they come here start sucking off the government don't assimilate and come from cultures that are hostile to the host country.

    Some of these clowns treat open borders like a religion.

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    It is working out well in Sweden:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-1...ng-without-gun
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    there is a serious risk of hatred running rampant in Sweden.
    Sounds like some hatred already is running rampant. Hatred of immigrants.

    Article courtesy the Gatestone Institute- a right winged organization. http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profi...tone_institute

    The Gatestone Institute is a New York-based advocacy organization that is tied to neoconservative and other right-wing networks in the United States and Europe.[1] Chaired by John Bolton, a former Bush administration diplomat and a conservative foreign policy hardliner, Gatestone is a clearinghouse for right-wing commentaries on national security, the Middle East, and Islam, as well as a convener of high-dollar events on security and energy issues. It is an offshoot of the neoconservative Hudson Institute.

    The institute was founded in 2011 by Nina Rosenwald, an heiress of the Sears Roebuck empire who has been a key philanthropic backer of anti-Muslim groups and individuals in the United States. Describing Gatestone's origins, journalist Max Blumenthal writes: "Through her affiliation with the Washington-based Hudson Institute, where Norman Podhoretz is an adjunct fellow, Rosenwald established a branch of the think tank in New York City. Operating under the Hudson banner, Rosenwald brought [the controversial anti-Islam Dutch politician Geert Wilders] to town in 2008 to warn against the Muslim plot to 'rule the world by the sword.' Wilders's tirade during that visit against the prophet Muhammad, whom he described as 'a warlord, a mass murderer, a pedophile,' was strident even by the standards of the hawkish Hudson Institute. By 2011 … Rosenwald separated Hudson New York City from Hudson's national branch, changing her organization's name to the Gatestone Institute."
    Gatestone contributors often espouse views associated with the far right. Posts by Gatestone writers have alleged an impending "Islamic takeover" in the United Kingdom,[10] warned that France is on the verge of "submitting to Islam,"[11] fretted that "Islamic Sharia law could easily become a permanent reality in Spain and across the [European] continent,"[12] and accused the U.S. government of "promoting Islam" in the Czech Republic and other European countries.[13] In a 2014 posting, Gatestone fellow Soeren Kern quoted Geert Wilders' quip, seemingly approvingly, that "The fewer Moroccans [in the Netherlands], the better." Kern claimed that "Dutch Moroccan criminals are known to be highly indifferent to sentences in Dutch prisons," concluding that "it is only the threat of deportation, more than any other measure, that is likely to deter young Moroccans from a life of crime."
    More at link.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 11-30-2015 at 05:23 PM.

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    Pfizer Macht Frei!

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    The Federalist Papers, No. 15:

    Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.

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    I'm thankful for the ones that don't come and choose to stay home. And also for the ones that come and then later decide to go back home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William R View Post
    Abigale sounds like a Keynesian economist.
    She's not. She's a libertarian. She's with the Independent Institute. Did you not see her description?

    This op-ed could have been written by Ron Paul.

    Here's more from Dr. Hall.
    http://www.independent.org/aboutus/p...il.asp?id=1641



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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    She's not. She's a libertarian. She's with the Independent Institute. Did you not see her description?

    This op-ed could have been written by Ron Paul.

    Here's more from Dr. Hall.
    http://www.independent.org/aboutus/p...il.asp?id=1641
    What's her view on private property, trespassing and the NAP?

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    Immigration, legal and illegal, should provide a net benefit to the country. However, the welfare/nanny state removes that net benefit and turns it into a negative.

    Remove the welfare state. End drug prohibition. And the immigration problem will solve itself.

    Don't do those things? It doesn't matter how huge the wall is, the results will be the same.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Immigration, legal and illegal, should provide a net benefit to the country. However, the welfare/nanny state removes that net benefit and turns it into a negative.
    No it doesn't. Those are two separate issues.

    Free flowing immigration is a benefit, with or without welfare. Welfare is a harm, with or without free flowing immigration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    No it doesn't. Those are two separate issues.

    Free flowing immigration is a benefit, with or without welfare. Welfare is a harm, with or without free flowing immigration.
    They aren't totally separate. Immigration opposition is a tool used to garner acceptance of the welfare state. The brown skinned man who eats pupusas and cuts your grass for a substandard wage is much scarier than the tax man who will literally murder you, if you don't pay him, and will get a long vacation in reward for it.

    If we could get people en masse to recognize how asinine that idea is, then your statement would be unequivocally true. Until then, they're pretty tightly linked to each other as issues.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    They aren't totally separate. Immigration opposition is a tool used to garner acceptance of the welfare state.
    Very good point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    Very good point.
    Yeah, right. Oppose the welfare state by supporting an unlimited immigration. GTFO.

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    Double edged sword if ever there was one. When I hear people talking about undocumented, aka illegal immigrants stealing jobs and harming the economy, I can't help but wonder if those same people are prepared to pay the higher prices businesses would charge if they did not have access to the cheap labor provided by said immigrants, or just how many of them are also prepared to fill the kind of backbreaking manual labor positions such immigrants are often used to fill.



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