Islam is not a RACE

[OReich]

Do you think that Jews were/are justified in stealing the property of Palestinians?

$#@! no. Do you think Muslims were justified in stealing more land from Jews during the same 30 years? Do you think Muslim states were justified in invading Israel and promising to kick out all the Jews BEFORE Israel kicked out a single person in 1948? Seriously, are you incapable of holding Muslims to the same standards as the rest of the human race, or do you just have a hateful obsession with Jews? Really, that's an honest question: do you single out Jewish crimes because you hate Jews and hold them to higher standards, or do you single out Jewish crimes because you hold Muslims to zero standards? Why is it that Muslim violence is invisible to you, but Jewish violence matters to you? You literally describe a massive war as if only one side fired a bullet. You're a bigot.

[OReich]

So, according to the Orthodox Jew, you are Jewish, even if you don't believe in God? Is it because of your race and genetics?

Are you serious? I've said this twice now already: according to Orthodox Judaism, Judaism is genetic, and not belief based, it passes through the mother. Someone can convert under Orthodox law, but its a year long course with a Rabbi that pretty much discourages conversion.

[TER]

Are you serious? I've said this twice now already: according to Orthodox Judaism, Judaism is genetic, and not belief based, it passes through the mother. Someone can convert under Orthodox law, but its a year long course with a Rabbi that pretty much discourages conversion.

I am quite serious. I may be dense, but it seems to me that according to what you are saying, being Jewish has to do with one's race and not one's faith. This must be a mistake as that would probably be the most racist thing I have ever heard a religion teach. I remember reading stories in the Old Testament where God demonstrated that He can make as an adopted child of Israel people who were not born Jewish, from different races. When did that change?

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[idiom]

I am quite serious. I may be dense, but it seems to me that according to what you are saying, being Jewish has to do with one's race and not one's faith. This must be a mistake as that would probably be the most racist thing I have ever heard a religion teach. I remember reading stories in the Old Testament where God demonstrated that He can make as an adopted child of Israel people who were not born Jewish, of from different races. When did that change?

Being Jewish has to do with being a descendant of Judah.

[OReich]

I am quite serious. I may be dense, but it seems to me that according to what you are saying, being Jewish has to do with one's race and not one's faith. This must be a mistake as that would probably be the most racist thing I have ever heard a religion teach. I remember reading stories in the Old Testament where God demonstrated that He can make as an adopted child of Israel people who were not born Jewish, of from different races. When did that change?

Because, as I just said, and as you quote me above, there is a conversion process. Non-Jews can become Jews. Israel took in thousands of Ethiopiean Jews, who are 100% African, because Queen Sheeba supposedly converted them centuries ago. Would you like me to repeat myself again? I love repeating myself, feel free to ask.

[TER]

Because, as I just said, and as you quote me above, there is a conversion process. Non-Jews can become Jews. Israel took in thousands of Ethiopiean Jews, who are 100% African, because Queen Sheeba supposedly converted them centuries ago. Would you like me to repeat myself again? I love repeating myself, feel free to ask.

So your self-identification and defense of Jews is not because you believe with them the same God, but because they are the same race as you. What makes you different from a Nazi skinhead?

[OReich]

What percentage of native-born, white, Christian Americans want to be governed by the US Constitution?

Recent elections results say ~1%.



What proportion of native-born, white, Christian Americans would like to impose similarly discriminatory laws, on the basis of their own faith?

....well, more than 1%, anyway.

White Christian Americans wrote the US constitution ffs. If you can find a poll showing that Christians oppose the constitution, or support laws which violate it, go ahead, and then we can discuss if Christianity is the reason they oppose the constitution. I have no problem identifying and condemn bigotry/extremism from any religion. But only when Islamic bigotry (the biggest example of bigotry in the world today) is criticized, do we have naive PC people calling the critics "Islamophobic."

[OReich]

So your self-identification and defense of Jews is not because you believe with them the same God, but because they are the same race as you. What makes you different from a Nazi skinhead?

The fact that I don't think Jews are better or worse than anyone else, and that I don't support violence against anyone on the basis of race or religion. And no, I don't think Judaism is a race, I think its a culture. The Orthodox, which I'm not a subscriber to, consider it a "race," but even they believe non-Jews can convert, so they misuse the word race.

[TER]

The fact that I don't think Jews are better or worse than anyone else, and that I don't support violence against anyone on the basis of race or religion. And no, I don't think Judaism is a race, I think its a culture. The Orthodox, which I'm not a subscriber to, consider it a "race," but even they believe non-Jews can convert, so they misuse the word race.

I appreciate your response. I will need to study more on this.

[Dr.3D]

Being Jewish has to do with being a descendant of Judah.

Only to those who believe that has anything to do with being Jewish.

Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Judaism is a religion, not a race. Those who believe they are Jewish because they were born that way are not truly Jewish.

[TER]

Only to those who believe that has anything to do with being Jewish.


Judaism is a religion, not a race. Those who believe they are Jewish because they were born that way are not truly Jewish.

Thank you for this clarification. I was afraid that some might believe that Judaism is based on race, which would be a very racist theology, devoid of any spiritual depth and full of vainglory and pride.

[r3volution 3.0]

$#@! no.

Good, then you will understand why many libertarians are critical of Israel.

Seriously, are you incapable of holding Muslims to the same standards as the rest of the human race, or do you just have a hateful obsession with Jews?

Hey look, I've already been accused of anti-semitism...



Bob and Jones are both criminals.
Everyone knows Bob is a criminal; they even exaggerate his criminality.
Hardly anyone knows Jones is a criminal; most people actually think he's a paragon of virtue.

Now, in this situation, I would tend to focus on outing Jones, rather than piling superfluously on Bob.

[Dr.3D]

Thank you for this clarification. I was afraid that some might believe that Judaism is based on race, which would be a very racist theology, devoid of any spiritual depth and full of vainglory and pride.

No problem brother, people have been confused about this for a long, long time.

[TER]

No problem brother, people have been confused about this for a long, long time.

Then I think they haven't studied the ancient writings in the Old Testament very well. Or supplanted it. OReich mentions Orthodox Jews. Do you know if there is something in the Talmud which teaches that being Jewish is a function of one's bloodline apart from faith in God? I would think no, but haven't studied the Talmud so I am not sure.

[r3volution 3.0]

White Christian Americans wrote the US constitution ffs. If you can find a poll showing that Christians oppose the constitution, or support laws which violate it, go ahead, and then we can discuss if Christianity is the reason they oppose the constitution.

Oh, if you ask Christians whether they support the Constitution, I imagine the vast majority would say yes. But their voting behavior demonstrates that either they don't understand what the Constitution says, or they don't support it, since they consistently vote for candidates who propose to create/retain unconstitutional programs.

In 2012, about 2% of the electorate voted for candidates whose platforms were consistent with the Constitution, either in the primaries or the general.*

Ron got about 1% in the GOP primaries, the LP got about 1% in the general.

That's it; everyone else voted for (massively, laughably) unconstitutional policies.

*this is assuming no overlap between RP primary voters and GJ general election voters; they're probably the same people, which makes it 1% overall.

[Zippyjuan]

Muhammad called on his followers to kill all the Jews in order to bring about Judgment Day. Agree or disagree? I know its a tough question, [mod edit] The ppl who use the term "Islamophobia" are idiots who want to shut down debate. 90% of Islam's critics have nothing against individual Muslims, and you support silencing them? How about killing gays, or rape victims, or former Muslims, or critics of Islam? Should they be killed? Like I said, Islamophobia is bull$#@!, its not racism, its not even a real thing at all. You're participating in the intimidation and demonization of ppl who ACTUALLY believe in equality and tolerance. You're on the wrong side of this debate. Unless you want Jews to die, then you're exactly where you need to be, whining and bitching about Islamophobia.

1.4 Billion Muslims in the world (22% of the entire world). How many Jews have they killed? How many of that 1.4 billion have killed anybody? How many of that 1.4 billion has the US killed?

[HVACTech]

Lol its hard to understand because it doesn't make sense. I personally identify as Jewish, but my feelings aren't hurt at all if someone tells me I'm not Jewish, its just a cultural identification to me. And, it just so happens that according to Jewish law, Judaism passes genetically through the mother, and is NOT belief-based. So according to the Orthodox (the only people who really care about Judaism in a strict sense), I'm a Jew period. There are also Atheist Muslims now, because, like Judaism, it has traditions and holidays, so to continue those traditions, we choose to identify as culturally Jewish or culturally Muslim. It doesn't make sense, but I call myself Jewish. Because Jews are a minority, Judaism is like an ethnicity to us, its like a tribal loyalty to our family.

that. set off my BULL$#@! detector.
-rep
(and you are welcome! )

[pcosmar]

So your self-identification and defense of Jews is not because you believe with them the same God, but because they are the same race as you. What makes you different from a Nazi skinhead?

Zionism has the same roots.
It is Nationalism based on Race. They can dance around the subject all they like,, National Socialism is not something I want to preserve.

[pcosmar]

that. set off my BULL$#@! detector.

a few of your favorite Leftist Buzz Words?

[Ender]

White Christian Americans wrote the US constitution ffs. If you can find a poll showing that Christians oppose the constitution, or support laws which violate it, go ahead, and then we can discuss if Christianity is the reason they oppose the constitution. I have no problem identifying and condemn bigotry/extremism from any religion. But only when Islamic bigotry (the biggest example of bigotry in the world today) is criticized, do we have naive PC people calling the critics "Islamophobic."

The original Constitution came from the Iroquois Confederation- who were not White Christian Americans.

[osan]

OOOOOoooooo... dat RAYcis...

[HVACTech]

a few of your favorite Leftist Buzz Words?

the stated protocols were in conflict.
cognitive dissonance was evident. or.. it was all BS to begin with.

to be blunt. I thought he was jacking with sincere people.
and yes, that yanks my chain.

peace.

[HVACTech]

The original Constitution came from the Iroquois Confederation- who were not White Christian Americans.

heh,
Ender is a Federalist.

imagine that.

[The Gold Standard]

Atheist/agnostic Jew, but I identify as Jewish and I'm technically Jewish under Jewish law, because it goes by the mother, not belief. I'm Israeli American, hence my obsession with all the retards here who tell Israelis to lay down and die.

Who is telling Israelis to lay down and die? If you want to grab a rifle and go kill some of Israel's enemies, I won't try to talk you out of it. You can do what you want. Just leave my money alone. Pay your own way. Hell, you could even ask for volunteers to join you. Imagine all of the blood you could spill.

[Dr.3D]

Lol its hard to understand because it doesn't make sense. I personally identify as Jewish, but my feelings aren't hurt at all if someone tells me I'm not Jewish, its just a cultural identification to me. And, it just so happens that according to Jewish law, Judaism passes genetically through the mother, and is NOT belief-based. So according to the Orthodox (the only people who really care about Judaism in a strict sense), I'm a Jew period. There are also Atheist Muslims now, because, like Judaism, it has traditions and holidays, so to continue those traditions, we choose to identify as culturally Jewish or culturally Muslim. It doesn't make sense, but I call myself Jewish. Because Jews are a minority, Judaism is like an ethnicity to us, its like a tribal loyalty to our family.

I'll just leave this here.
Revelation 2:9

[enhanced_deficit]

It is a religion but somehow it is treated as a race by 54% of GOP/one third of Americans.

54% of GOP Believe 'Deep Down' Obama Is a Muslim





Or is there another reason for such a view about Obama when he claims he is a Christian.

Yes, Barack Obama is an anti-Semite.

Based on what?
You realize he has to deal with likes of Andrew Adler and Netanyahu.

[CPUd]

[enhanced_deficit]

Before we decide, lets hear what Mrs Obama Hussein Obama has to say on this?

[puppetmaster]

I will not defend muslims until they start defending themselves against radical jihadists