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    Freemasons Fixed Inquiry Into Titanic to Protect Establishment


    Freemasons Fixed Inquiry Into Titanic to Protect Establishment, Claims Secret Archive That Lists Two Million Members - Including Winston Churchill - And Reveals Secretive Group of Elites Ruled Society For 200 Years

    By Tom Witherow and Martin Robinson

    Daily Mail


    November 24, 2015




    Freemasons dominated the inquiry into the sinking of the Titanic and may have allowed Establishment figures to escape blame, it was claimed last night.

    The investigation into the 1912 tragedy that cost 1,500 lives exonerated most of those involved, including the ship’s White Star Line owners as well as its captain.

    Now the publication of a secret archive of Freemasons – containing two million names of members from 1733 to 1923 – reveals the scale of Masonic involvement across the highest echelons of British society.

    The archive contains the names of three kings, statesmen, judges, military top brass and bishops.

    Experts believe it could lead to a re-examination of almost 200 years of British history, revealing the scale of Masonic influence at all levels of British society when the UK was one of the world’s most powerful countries.

    The records are due to be published online by genealogy service Ancestry.


    While the Masonic connections of figures such as Sir Winston Churchill, Oscar Wilde, Lord Kitchener, Rudyard Kipling and Edward VIII are known, the records offer the first comprehensive view of the reach of Freemasonry at the height of the British Empire.


    They reveal the close ties between Establishment figures involved in the investigation into the Titanic’s sinking, the Telegraph reported.


    A US Senate inquiry singled out the British Board of Trade, saying the small number of lifeboats on the ship was a result of lax regulations.


    However, the UK investigation, overseen by Lord Mersey, exonerated the Board of Trade.


    Lord Mersey himself was a Freemason, the newly published records show. He was initiated in 1881 at the Northern Bar Lodge in London.


    Crucially, so too was Board of Trade president Sydney Buxton, initiated in 1888 when he was an MP.


    The names of at least two of the inquiry’s five expert assessors – John Harvard Biles, a specialist in naval architecture, and Edward Chaston, the senior engineer assessor – can also be found in the Masonic archive.

    Copyright © 2015 Daily Mail


    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/11/...tanic-inquiry/



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    Lifeboats and parachutes are for non-team players.

    With love, Management

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    This is impossible, the Freemasons do such good charity work... and they own CHILDREN's hospitals!!!

    How could a group saves children's lives also kill innocent people?
    Last edited by dannno; 11-24-2015 at 12:11 PM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    This is impossible, the Free Masons do such good charity work... and they own CHILDREN's hospitals!!!

    How could a group saves children's lives also kill innocent people?
    Freemasons are the cover front for the Illuminati, and have been for quite a while now.

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    I'm a third degree master mason.

    Nothing nefarious here.

    Jus sayin.
    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
    -Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,
    Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
    Author of, War is a Racket!

    It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours.
    - Diogenes of Sinope

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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    I'm a third degree master mason.

    Nothing nefarious here.

    Jus sayin.
    The evidence shows otherwise - not that you are nefarious, but that you are covering up nefarious activities of others by doing charity work on their behalf to make them look better.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    I'm a third degree master mason.

    Nothing nefarious here.

    Jus sayin.
    If you can, please tell us what you know, and are allowed to tell, about the 33rd Degree of Scottish Rite.

    Thanks!
    Last edited by Ronin Truth; 11-24-2015 at 11:21 AM.

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    Chester Copperpot
    Member

    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    I'm a third degree master mason.

    Nothing nefarious here.

    Jus sayin.
    can you explain this video?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Chester Copperpot View Post
    can you explain this video?

    That's a bunch of Scottish rite bull$#@!. There is no degree higher than 3rd degree in masonry. Appendant bodies such as York and Scottish do their own thing. Masonry ends at the blue lodge. Anything else those shriners and such do is on them.
    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
    -Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,
    Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
    Author of, War is a Racket!

    It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours.
    - Diogenes of Sinope

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    Great comment from that clip:

    Some Christians are absurdly myopic. 32nd here, KT as well. Anyone who doesn't get their Masonic info from the likes of David Icke knows that the Shriners are 100% charity, they run 11 free hospitals for children and burn victims...my goodness, how evil!

    Further, you claim to know your Bible backwards and forwards, magically failing to realize that Lucifer is not the devil and has nothing to do with evil or malice--nor do Masons "worship" Lucifer unless that is their individual choice. The man in the video said he is a Christian, and defines Lucifer as pure virtue and holiness. So that is his Light.

    Keep your intolerance to yourself, you don't see any Masons lined up outside your Church demanding that YOU change your ways, now do you?
    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
    -Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,
    Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
    Author of, War is a Racket!

    It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours.
    - Diogenes of Sinope

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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    That's a bunch of Scottish rite bull$#@!. There is no degree higher than 3rd degree in masonry. Appendant bodies such as York and Scottish do their own thing. Masonry ends at the blue lodge. Anything else those shriners and such do is on them.
    Yep, that's one of the most common cover stories, I've repeatedly heard over time. Does the word 'hoodwinked' ring a bell for you, by any chance?

    BTW, the 33rd Degree is reportedly the entry portal to the secret society within the secret society.
    Last edited by Ronin Truth; 11-24-2015 at 11:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    Great comment from that clip:
    lol, that is exactly the attitude I was mocking in my first post...
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    Yep, that's one of the most common cover stories, I've repeatedly heard over time. Does the word 'hoodwinked' ring a bell for you, by any chance?
    There's really no point in arguing since I'm really the only one with a basis of knowledge that doesn't come from the Taxil hoax or other such conspiracy crap. Freemasonry is a secular fraternity and a fun charitable hobby, nothing more. Christians (oh how tolerant Christians are lol) have demonized freemasonry since its inception for obvious reasons. I'm sure you think George Washington worshipped the devil too.
    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
    -Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,
    Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
    Author of, War is a Racket!

    It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours.
    - Diogenes of Sinope

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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    There's really no point in arguing since I'm really the only one with a basis of knowledge that doesn't come from the Taxil hoax or other such conspiracy crap. Freemasonry is a secular fraternity and a fun charitable hobby, nothing more. Christians (oh how tolerant Christians are lol) have demonized freemasonry since its inception for obvious reasons. I'm sure you think George Washington worshipped the devil too.
    Since you bring George up, in the American Revolutionary war, how many of the generals and officers, on both sides, were Freemasons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    This is impossible, the Free Masons do such good charity work... and they own CHILDREN's hospitals!!!

    How could a group saves children's lives also kill innocent people?
    No man, that's the Shriners.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    There's really no point in arguing since I'm really the only one with a basis of knowledge that doesn't come from the Taxil hoax or other such conspiracy crap. Freemasonry is a secular fraternity and a fun charitable hobby, nothing more. Christians (oh how tolerant Christians are lol) have demonized freemasonry since its inception for obvious reasons. I'm sure you think George Washington worshipped the devil too.
    Dude, you are the one who isn't listening at all..

    We all freely admit that most of what Freemasonry does that is observable to the outside world is good - most Freemasons participating at the lower levels doing charity work are probably good people and most have little or no knowledge of what the organization does on the whole.

    YOU are the one being kept ignorant by the organization you belong to, that is the whole point, to keep the low level people ignorant and doing good charity work so that they can have a cover when people attack them for nefarious activities... They can just blurt out about how their organization is involved in Children's hospitals, so it is impossible and unbelievable that they would be doing anything nefarious.. Do you not understand our argument that the ENTIRE REASON they are running these children's hospitals and such is to misdirect like that??

    Now, you can disagree, you can say that in your experience you don't see any of this going on - but to us that means nothing because to them that is the entire point of your existence, to go out and do good things and to tell people that nothing nefarious is going on with the masons..
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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    More great hard hitting work from Lew Rockwell


    Any wonder no one takes him seriously
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    More great hard hitting work from Lew Rockwell


    Any wonder no one takes him seriously
    Seriously...
    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
    -Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,
    Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
    Author of, War is a Racket!

    It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours.
    - Diogenes of Sinope

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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    There's really no point in arguing since I'm really the only one with a basis of knowledge that doesn't come from the Taxil hoax or other such conspiracy crap. Freemasonry is a secular fraternity and a fun charitable hobby, nothing more. Christians (oh how tolerant Christians are lol) have demonized freemasonry since its inception for obvious reasons. I'm sure you think George Washington worshipped the devil too.

    Do you ever watch South Park? Have you seen the episode when Cartman starts a Crackbaby Athletic Association? Do you remember the part when Cartman was trying to figure out how to make his organization not look exploitative, so when Kyle comes to him with the idea to build a nice facility to house the crackbabies and take care of them, Cartman tells Kyle he is a genius? Kyle is trying to be good and help the crackbabies. Cartman is trying to exploit them. Cartman realizes that by doing charity for the crackbabies he can misdirect any negative concerns that come at him by talking about how much he is helping them, even though he is exploiting them.

    What sort of analogy or explanation do you require to understand this concept?
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    No man, that's the Shriners.

    Sorry, I just tend to forget, are the Shriners, Freemasons heavy or light?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    More great hard hitting work from Lew Rockwell


    Any wonder no one takes him seriously
    Are you including Lew's buddy, Ron Paul, in that no one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Dude, you are the one who isn't listening at all..

    We all freely admit that most of what Freemasonry does that is observable to the outside world is good - most Freemasons participating at the lower levels doing charity work are probably good people and most have little or no knowledge of what the organization does on the whole.

    YOU are the one being kept ignorant by the organization you belong to, that is the whole point, to keep the low level people ignorant and doing good charity work so that they can have a cover when people attack them for nefarious activities... They can just blurt out about how their organization is involved in Children's hospitals, so it is impossible and unbelievable that they would be doing anything nefarious.. Do you not understand our argument that the ENTIRE REASON they are running these children's hospitals and such is to misdirect like that??

    Now, you can disagree, you can say that in your experience you don't see any of this going on - but to us that means nothing because to them that is the entire point of your existence, to go out and do good things and to tell people that nothing nefarious is going on with the masons..
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    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
    -Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,
    Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
    Author of, War is a Racket!

    It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours.
    - Diogenes of Sinope

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    Sorry, I just tend to forget, are the Shriners, Freemasons heavy or light?
    Just another testicle of the same octopus.

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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    I won't even click a link that starts with "bible believers" supposedly discussing freemasonry.
    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
    -Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,
    Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
    Author of, War is a Racket!

    It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours.
    - Diogenes of Sinope

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    Ok I clicked on it and its SOOOOOOOO fake and false. There WAS NO 33rd degree prior to Scottish Rite Masonry. Period. John Adams was a 33rd degree mason? Yeah might want to fact check that "article" lol
    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
    -Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,
    Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
    Author of, War is a Racket!

    It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours.
    - Diogenes of Sinope

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    I won't even click a link that starts with "bible believers" supposedly discussing freemasonry.
    Good idea, it's probably just another hoodwink for you. LOL!

    BTW, who is GAOTU?

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Just another testicle of the same octopus.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's a balance between appeasing his supporters, appeasing the deep state and reaching his own goals.
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  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    Good idea, it's probably just another hoodwink for you. LOL!

    BTW, who is GAOTU?
    Great Architect of the Universe. (Some say Grand Architect) As a secular (but faith based) fraternity, all members must express a belief in God... any god. So rather than say "Dear God, Allah, Vishnu, Buddha, Jesus, ad infinitum".... Masons choose to refer to GAOTU... If you're a Christian Mason, it's the God of Abraham, and so on...

    And before you go off on the whole Scottish rite baphomet crap... again... there is no degree higher than 3rd (master mason) in masonry... all subsequent 'degrees' in appendant bodies such as York rite and Scottish rite don't speak for true historical masonry.
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  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    Devil Worshippers?
    Wow, no wonder they like you over at the Masons, you are a real professional misdirector..

    I have not uttered the phrase 'devil worshipers' in this entire conversation, so why would you respond to me with that phrase?

    Why don't you actually respond to my arguments in a rational, logical manner instead of posting strawman bull$#@!?

    Many of the masons at the top worship Lucifer - not the same as the devil - some of the ones at the top don't actually worship Lucifer, they just go along with it to further their goals for power. Others in the organization, especially the lower echelons like yourself, most likely don't have any idea that their organization worships Lucifer. They are in it for the charity work and brotherhood.

    Listing a bunch of members and asking if they are "evil" or "worship lucifer" is not a valid response to my criticisms because the entire point is that there is a buffer of members who don't who are there only to do good things to make the evil ones at the top look good.

    The entire point of the existence of the lower echelon that does charity work is to coverup for the Lucifer worshipping elite at the top who use the organization to further their evil plans to take over the world.


    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Do you ever watch South Park? Have you seen the episode when Cartman starts a Crackbaby Athletic Association? Do you remember the part when Cartman was trying to figure out how to make his organization not look exploitative, so when Kyle comes to him with the idea to build a nice facility to house the crackbabies and take care of them, Cartman tells Kyle he is a genius? Kyle is trying to be good and help the crackbabies. Cartman is trying to exploit them. Cartman realizes that by doing charity for the crackbabies he can misdirect any negative concerns that come at him by talking about how much he is helping them, even though he is exploiting them.

    What sort of analogy or explanation do you require to understand this concept?

    I challenge you to actually address my posts in a logical and rational manner.
    Last edited by dannno; 11-24-2015 at 12:45 PM.
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