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    Why is nothing happening even though China is selling our debt?

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/201...gs&region=Body




    Remember the dire threat posed by our financial dependence on China? A few years ago it was all over the media, generally stated not as a hypothesis but as a fact. Obviously, terrible things would happen if China stopped buying our debt, or worse yet, started to sell off its holdings. Interest rates would soar and the U.S economy would plunge, right? Indeed, that great monetary expert Admiral Mullen was widely quoted as declaring that debt was our biggest security threat. Anyone who suggested that we didn’t actually need to worry about a China selloff was considered weird and irresponsible.
    Well, don’t tell anyone, but the much-feared event is happening now. As China tries to prop up the yuan in the face of capital flight, it’s selling lots of U.S. debt; so are other emerging markets. And the effect on U.S. interest rates so far has been … nothing.
    Who could have predicted such a thing? Well, me. And not just me: anyone who seriously thought through the economics of the situation, with the world awash in excess saving and the U.S. in a liquidity trap, quickly realized that the whole China-debt scare story was nonsense. But as I said, this wasn’t even reported as a debate; the threat of Chinese debt holdings was reported as fact.

    And of course those who got this completely wrong have learned nothing from the experience.



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    Who is buying it?
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Our dollar is still the reserve currency of the world.

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    Really? Krug?
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    Macro economic trends take time. It hasn't even been a year. This reminds me of when QE3 ended and everyone was celebrating when nothing bad happened 3 weeks later.

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    Good boy, Krugman. I guess you didn't get the memo that this was a secret.

    Now that you've let the cat out of the bag, let's see what happens...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    Our dollar is still the reserve currency of the world.
    and we have guns to prove it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Macro economic trends take time. It hasn't even been a year. This reminds me of when QE3 ended and everyone was celebrating when nothing bad happened 3 weeks later.
    QE3 ended a year ago. Has something bad happened?

    China sales of Treasuries have not been in any significant amounts. Prices of Treasuries have been pretty steady which means somebody else is buying them. India is now holding more for example.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    India is now holding more for example.
    Well I guess that explains why they are trying to get all their citizens to liquidate their gold..
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Because people are still buying it. American debt is still considered worth the purchase, which keeps it afloat whoever owns it. The problems will come when American credit is considered worthless and no one will monetize our debt for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Good boy, Krugman. I guess you didn't get the memo that this was a secret.

    Now that you've let the cat out of the bag, let's see what happens...
    The timing is interesting and probably coordinated to coincide with other events. I think things are about to get very hairy overall. China announced their yuan payment system is operational.....gold yuan announcement is probably not far behind. That would be not good for dollar and dollar denominated paper.
    Last edited by devil21; 10-09-2015 at 03:37 PM.
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