Aging beef is allowing microbes to break it down. Unless you are eating your grass fed angus the day it is slaughtered. That helps tenderize it.Originally Posted by dannno
Is honey food? Microbes don't break it down.
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-08-2015 at 01:32 PM.
Obviously it's real food, as evidenced by all the people eating and being nourished by it. The fact that they're also not eating toxins produced by mold, or else throwing it away, makes it better food, rather than worse.
No, that's completely wrong.
Obviously there is some flour in the bread, and flour is real food, but once you mix it with enough toxic chemicals and what would normally be broken down my microorganisms and bugs are no longer being broken down by those things, I would be worried that since it is clearly unhealthy for the longterm ability of these microorganisms to survive (longterm being a much shorter period for a microorganism) then it probably isn't good for humans in the longterm either.
Zippy has a point with honey, but the fact is if these micoorganisms are not breaking down natural honey, that's fine, but they do break down other types of foods like bread and so a bread that does not get broken down by these microorganisms I would be highly suspect of eating myself.
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@Zippy,
Does something have to kill you to make you feel lousy?
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At 45 parts per million in the flour, I suppose if you ate enough of it you might be sick. Say a few hundred loaves at once. Toxic effects are noted when inhaling large quantities of the dust form of it- not by consuming tiny amounts. WHO report cited: http://www.who.int/ipcs/publications...en/cicad16.pdf
Consumption study in the same report:Azodicarbonamide is of low acute toxicity by all
relevant routes of exposure. The LC50 was greater than 6100
mg/m3
in rats and mice exposed to a dry aerosol (median mass
aerodynamic diameter 5.8 ± 2.25 :m [geometric standard
deviation]) of azodicarbonamide for 4 h (IRDC, 1982a,b). No
mortality was observed in rats given oral doses of up to 5000
mg/kg body weight (Loeser, 1976). The dermal LD50 was
>2000 mg/kg body weight in rabbits following application of
this substance under an occlusive dressing for 24 h (MB
Research Laboratories Inc., 1986). Few specific toxic effects
were observed in any single exposure study.
750 mg/ kg is seventeen times the allowed amount in bread.In the 2-year study, rats and dogs ate diets containing
either bread baked with untreated flour but supplemented with
750, 2370, or 7500 mg biurea/kg or bread baked with flour
containing 100 mg azodicarbonamide/kg (Oser et al., 1965).
Controls received diets containing bread baked with untreated
flour. Given that azodicarbonamide is readily converted to
biurea (Joiner et al., 1963), it is likely that the animals
receiving the bread baked with azodicarbonamide-treated flour
were actually exposed to biurea. As with the previous
investigations, the dogs that were selected for this study were
of uncertain and variable origin; hence, no useful results could
be obtained from them. For rats, no treatment-related deaths
occurred, and no adverse effects were observed that were
considered to be treatment related. Assuming food
consumption of 20 g/day and a mean body weight of 350 g, the
dietary inclusion levels correspond to approximately 45, 140,
and 450 mg biurea/kg body weight per day.
"Assuming food consumption of 20 grams per day and a mean body weight of 350g" converts to a 150 pound person eating nine pounds of bread a day "with no adverse effects observed".
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-08-2015 at 03:54 PM.
they need to go back to using iodine for their dough conditioner.... raise the price a few pennies and just be done with it
No way that might keep people healthy--Big pHARMa needs them sick.
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That is toxic in high doses too. http://www.livestrong.com/article/47...ity-of-iodine/ Though again, like Azodicarbonamide, you need to eat tons of bread to get too much of that as well.
Moderate toxicity is typically marked by elevated levels of thyroid stimulating hormone, or TSH, in the bloodstream. Moderate toxicity, which can occur at levels above the tolerable upper limit, may result in hypothyroidism, or insufficient production of thyroid hormones that regulate metabolism of food nutrients. Consumption of more than 1,700 micrograms of iodine per day may cause goiter, or enlargement of the thyroid gland, according to the Linus Pauling Institute.
Acute toxicity typically occurs at dosages of more than 1 gram of iodine, according to the Linus Pauling Institute. Acute iodine toxicity may cause symptoms such as diarrhea, nausea and vomiting, as well as a burning sensation in the stomach, throat and mouth. Weak pulse and coma are also potential complications of acute toxicity.
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-08-2015 at 04:03 PM.
But but but but but taking lots of iodine was going to save people from Fukushima cancer.Science.
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What about all the rich and powerful people who control big pharma? If they are deliberately suppressing knowledge to keep people sick, wouldn't they at least use this secret knowledge to keep themselves and their loved ones healthy?
They are clones, or 1000-year-old reptile ETs, depending on which tabloid site you look at.
And how do you know they are not? David Rockefeller just turned 100 years old this year.
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But but but but but taking lots of iodine was going to save people from Fukushima cancer.
Children living near the Fukushima nuclear plant have been diagnosed with thyroid cancer at a rate FIFTY times higher than youngsters elsewhere
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...elsewhere.html
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So how many cases of thyroid cancer does that mean? Thyroid cancer is very rare.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...clear-accident
25 "possible" cases.A new analysis of data from Fukushima suggests children exposed to the March 2011 nuclear accident may be developing thyroid cancer at an elevated rate.
But independent experts say that the study, published in the journal Epidemiology, has numerous shortcomings and does not prove a link between the accident and cancer.
The work, led by Toshihide Tsuda of Okayama University, is based on a large public health survey that was set up in Japan's Fukushima prefecture following the accident. As part of the survey, children who were living near the plant at the time of the accident have been offered regular thyroid screenings.
Thyroid cancer can be caused by radioactive iodine released in a nuclear accident. Children are particularly susceptible because their thyroids are growing rapidly. Thyroid cancer was listed as a possible health risk in a World Health Organization report on Fukushima, though the report stated it would be difficult to link cancer cases to the accident.
In the past year or so, the Fukushima Health Survey of more than 150,000 children has turned up 25 "suspicious or malignant cases" of thyroid cancer. Thyroid screenings in previous years have also found numerous cases.
Geraldine Thomas, a professor at Imperial College who has studied thyroid cancer from Chernobyl, says the analysis incorrectly compares the screening in Fukushima to clinical cases of thyroid cancer in which patients are already sick. The comparison falsely suggests thyroid cancer in Fukushima is elevated by as much as 50 times compared with the general population. "This is not a very good paper to be basing opinions on," she says.
More accurate comparisons between residents within different parts of Fukushima prefecture show no statistically significant variations in cancer rates, she says.
[Above source]Most of the 370,000 children in Fukushima prefecture [state] have been given ultrasound check-ups since the March 2011 meltdown at the tsunami-stricken Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant.
The most recent statistics, revealed in August, show that thyroid cancer is suspected or confirmed in 137 of those children – representing a 25 per cent increase on the year before.
Elsewhere, the disease only occurs in an estimated one or two out of every million children per year.
‘This is more than expected and emerging faster than expected,’ said Toshihide Tsuda, the lead author of the study which was released online this week.
‘This is 20 times to 50 times what would be normally expected.’
The data, which is being published in the November issue of Epidemiology, comes from tests overseen by the Fukushima Medical University.
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Heh. I think you'd still be a miserable old mercantilist bat.
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