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    Exclamation A $5,000 Crossover SUV you are prohibited from owning

    Another Car We’re Not Allowed to Buy

    by eric • October 5, 2015 • 14 Comments

    http://ericpetersautos.com/2015/10/0...llowed-to-buy/

    Would you be interested in a brand-new, fully warranted, five-door crossover SUV built by a major, name-brand automaker that gave you 50-plus MPG with a gas (not diesel or hybrid) engine, that has a top speed around 125 mph, is capable of getting to 60 in 12 seconds (about the same as a Prius hybrid) that stickered for less than $5,000?

    Yeah, me too.

    It’s called the Renault Kwid (see here) and it looks kinda-sorta like a Nissan Juke or Kia Soul and is about the same size as those units.

    It isn’t a latter-day Yugo either.

    The Kwid comes standard with AC, power windows and a digital dashboard, a seven-inch LCD display in the center stack and most of the apps you’d find in a new Soul or Juke.

    It also has a modern, fuel-injected engine and a five-speed overdrive transmission.

    The difference is the Kwid costs about a third what a new Juke or Soul would cost you to buy: Its base price is just $4,700 (not counting taxes and tags).

    Too bad we can’t buy one.

    Not because such a vehicle isn’t available.

    It’s just not available here.

    Neither are other such cars, like the Suzuki Alto 800 (53 MPG and a base price of $3,870; $5,755 loaded) and the Hyundai Eon (50 MPG and $4,856 to start; $6,636 loaded).

    Because Uncle.

    His “safety” mandates make these vehicles illegal for sale in the United (at gunpoint) States. Even though the Kwid has an air bag – the main fetish item of America’s gone-off-the-deep-end Safety Cult.

    It just doesn’t have enough of them.

    Only one (for the driver) rather than the six or more that are now necessary in the U.S. to comply with Uncle’s nail-biting, neurotic – and very expensive – “safety” mandates. It also couldn’t pass current federal bumper impact or roof crush standards – notwithstanding that the Kwid is much more crashworthy than, say, a classic ’70s-era VW Beetle or (probably) even a Chrysler K-car from the 1980s.

    “Safety” is relative.

    The federal government says a SmartCar is “safe” because it meets the requirements for its class (subcompact). But see what happens when it gets T-boned by a ’70 Eldorado without a single air bag that would never pass the “safety” tests required of the not-so-smart car.

    The Kwid is probably “safer” – as far as its ability to protect occupants in the event of a crash – than the federally approved SmartCar.

    It doesn’t matter.

    Nor the fact that the Kwid’s emissions are also a fraction of those produced by cars that were legal for sale in this country as recently as the 1990s. Unfortunately – for us – the Kwid doesn’t meet current federal standards, which ceased being reasonable back in the ’90s. Current federal standards pursue the remaining 1-3 percent of a new car’s exhaust emissions not yet “controlled” with an Inspector Javert-like mania – irrespective of cost and even when achieving compliance results in more emissions, grand scheme of things.

    It doesn’t matter that the Kwid’s less-than-one-liter three cylinder engine produces a smaller total volume of exhaust – because it burns less fuel – which means that on the whole, its emissions output is lower than U.S.-legal cars with much larger (1.8-2.5 liter four cylinder, typically) engines that burn much more fuel overall and so produce a greater volume of exhaust gas.

    And, therefore, more emissions.

    Uncle knows all this, probably.

    It does not – as the saying goes – take a rocket scientist. If idle my ’76 Trans-Am for five minutes, then turn it off – it produces fewer emissions than a Prius that’s run for an hour.

    The problem isn’t the Kwid’s emissions – or its “safety.”

    It is both reasonably clean and safe – as well being extremely fuel efficient (surpassing by at least 10 MPG the highest numbers achieved by any non-hybrid car currently available for sale in the United States).

    It is that the Kwid is inexpensive – and that is a dagger aimed at the heart of the debt-financed Jenga castle that is the U.S. economy.

    If this car were available here, people would once again be able to stroke a check for a brand-new car. No monthly payment for the next six years. They’d have money in the bank – rather be in hock to bankers.

    The Kwid costs less than the options packages on many new cars. The Hyundai Eon costs even less.

    The competitive pressure that the availability of such cars would put on the established automakers would be tremendous. They’d have to lower the cost of their cars, too, to remain in the game. People would realize that a decent new car, with more luxury amenities than most luxury cars had 20 years ago, need not cost $20,000 or even $15,000 – or even $10,000.

    And they’d know exactly how much “safety” and “emissions” mandates emanating out of the various orifices in Washington have been costing them.

    Most people are blind to it because these costs are very astutely folded into the cost of the car. There is no line-item for air bags, or the now-mandatory back-up cameras. Let alone the enormous costs imposed on consumers via the government’s various impact/rollover resistance standards.

    When air bags were first offered as optional equipment back in the ’70s, the cost of the air bags was right there on the window sticker. Most people decided – reasonably – that the expense (at the time, back in the early ’70s, about $800 for just the one, driver’s side air bag) was simply not worth it.

    Then government mandated the bags and this choice was taken away.

    And so was the price tag.

    Now – today – almost every new car has at least six air bags. Not only do the cars cost thousands more as a result, they also cost thousands more to fix (and insure).

    They are heavier – and much less fuel efficient – than they might otherwise be. The Kwid and Eon and the Suzuki Alto are four-wheeled/real-deal proof of this. They show us what we could have – were it not for the effrontery (and cupidity) of the government (and the car cartels) who now work together to shear us like sheep, while telling us it’s all for our own good, to keep us “safe.”
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee



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    Much wiser to buy a shovelhead in a basket than a new 'puter car.....

    Same $5k...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Much wiser to buy a shovelhead in a basket than a new 'puter car.....

    Same $5k...
    I hear you loud and clear brother, the point is, that choice is taken from you.

    A struggling young family with kids and groceries to tote around can't use a basket '76 shovelhead.

    But they sure as hell could use a brand new crossover SUV for under 5 large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I hear you loud and clear brother, the point is, that choice is taken from you.

    A struggling young family with kids and groceries to tote around can't use a basket '76 shovelhead.

    But they sure as hell could use a brand new crossover SUV for under 5 large.
    Thanks to cash for clunkers and other government programs, that struggling family will have a hard time finding a decent, used minivan for $5k.

    When I see these headlines, I already know what's coming in the article. Uncle Sugar has a racket going and will protect it at all costs to the pint of absurdity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghengis86 View Post
    Thanks to cash for clunkers and other government programs, that struggling family will have a hard time finding a decent, used minivan for $5k.

    When I see these headlines, I already know what's coming in the article. Uncle Sugar has a racket going and will protect it at all costs to the pint of absurdity.
    This is why it falls on all of us ol' farts to teach the youngsters in our families how to wrench on the old stuff.

    Just the idea of a young family plopping down $5k on a vehicle that's going to nickle-n-dime them to death with factory service and interest gives me chills.

    There are plenty of serviceable trucks, vans and wagons just waiting for some TLC but by and large society has embraced the disposa-car mentality....

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    This might just be a crazy idea but couldn't they just sell us the the nearly completely assembled parts of this car and we can have a shop put the rest together? Since it's not being initially sold as a working vehicle, couldn't it be classified as more of a hobby car and therefore bypass the strict standards imposed by the government?

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    Quote Originally Posted by freejack View Post
    This might just be a crazy idea but couldn't they just sell us the the nearly completely assembled parts of this car and we can have a shop put the rest together? Since it's not being initially sold as a working vehicle, couldn't it be classified as more of a hobby car and therefore bypass the strict standards imposed by the government?
    You can buy helicopters that way , from a couple companies .

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    "Safety" has got to be the greatest tool ever.

    Everybody seems to want safety. And since there are an infinite number of dangers, the idea that something can make you safe is enough to make you lose all reason. On its face, this is blatantly false. But who cares? If you're against a safety measure proposed by governments and their cronyists looking to secure a market and drive out competition, then you are obviously against safety itself.

    Brilliant!

    Markets are hampered by false promises of safety. Businesses destroyed. Wars are fought over the false promises of safety - just to get more of them. Atrocities of man and nature are committed in the name of safety - and no one bats an eye. I'm not sure you could find a better tool if you tried.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire



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    Quote Originally Posted by freejack View Post
    This might just be a crazy idea but couldn't they just sell us the the nearly completely assembled parts of this car and we can have a shop put the rest together? Since it's not being initially sold as a working vehicle, couldn't it be classified as more of a hobby car and therefore bypass the strict standards imposed by the government?
    Negative, Ghostrider...

    Kit Kars

    Vehicles have to meet the emissions standards for the year the vehicle is assembled. Vehicle manufacturers have to certify that their vehicles meet EPA emissions standards. A lot of kit car manufacturers also comply with this requirement. If you purchase one of these kit cars, follow the instructions on assembly, including the emissions components.

    https://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/vi...faq/engine.htm

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    The cars on the road already aren't safe anyway. The "5 star" safety rating and whatever crap is a complete joke. They only test certain kinds of crashes. These new cars have such thin material they fold over like paper when in an accident and sure you may or may not survive, but either way your paper car is totaled from the smallest of collisions.
    A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police

    We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.
    - Edward R. Murrow

    ...I think we have moral obligations to disobey unjust laws, because non-cooperation with evil is as much as a moral obligation as cooperation with good. - MLK Jr.

    How to trigger a liberal: "I didn't get vaccinated."

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    Just call it a four wheeled motorcycle and eliminate the mandated safety problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Just call it a four wheeled motorcycle and eliminate the mandated safety problems.
    Oractually make it a motorcycle and when you combine two of them they fold so they become a small car!

    A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police

    We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.
    - Edward R. Murrow

    ...I think we have moral obligations to disobey unjust laws, because non-cooperation with evil is as much as a moral obligation as cooperation with good. - MLK Jr.

    How to trigger a liberal: "I didn't get vaccinated."

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    Granted, this guy takes it to a completely other level, but how about 100+ MPG in a 2002 Honda Insight (EPA mileage of 50+, 13 years ago).

    Great site by the way, if you can poke around.

    http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...ile-32769.html

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    Here's one with 84mpg... $6,800
    http://www.eliomotors.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Here's one with 84mpg... $6,800
    http://www.eliomotors.com/
    I've liked this since I first saw it.

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    Those cars would hurt the nations GDP, to many non-patriots around here. If the GDP contracted then the stock market would collapse, then the system would change. So, you saying you don't like the system? You sayin you don't like america, well son, walk in any direction long enough and you'll be free of it.

    Love it or leave it. Our fathers, and grandfathers fought and died for this country and you want to destroy it for a car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Just call it a four wheeled motorcycle and eliminate the mandated safety problems.

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    I rode in a kwid while in India. Not a bad vehicle - I would not have expected a sticker for $5000.

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