Those aren't the answers to the questions.Originally Posted by Sola_Fide
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Ah...I see. You don't believe the Bible. Well, why are you chastising me for not believing what's in the text of the Bible if you don't believe what's in the text?
Aliens?
Jesus said He was God. Are you arguing with your Bible again?
Nope. (An example of one way questions are answered.)
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I'm not a Christian, you claim to be one. Though Paulinist is much easier to believe.
Are you arguing with your Bible again?
Nope, I never do! I have many books but no "Bible" for me.
Are you silly posting again?
Do you believe that Jesus existed?
I am not the thread topic.
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Wait a second. Do you believe Paul existed?
How can these people contradict each other if they didn't even exist?
I am not the thread topic.
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I'm going to try that response the next time someone asks me a question I can't answer. Good tactic.
Nor are they if you accept it.
See? I knew you didn't read it.
That is what the author is saying did NOT happen.
How can someone be "correct" if they didn't exist?
Are you insane?
I am not the thread topic.
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Are you going to believe me or your lying Paulinista eyes?
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You aren't intellectual enough to resolve the inconsistencies in your worldview. It's part intellectual, and part courage. The courageous thing to do is to submit your deeply held presuppositions to the bar of logic. I would suggest you do that...at the very least it would cause you to grow as a person. But beyond that, I know that true consistency is found only in the knowledge of Christ. Without Christ as the object of your faith and knowledge, you are like a ship that is tossed around by every new wave of ideas that comes your way. That is the reason you can't face even the simplest questions about your worldview.
Should I believe a Paulinist, or an atheist like yourself?
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Wait.... Is it too late to guess "molten metal poured into a sand casting"??
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In the verses below, Jesus distinguishes himself from "God" or "Lord", and either literally says, suggests, or implies his "Father" or "God" is greater than he. They're all King James version:
John 14:28
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Proverbs 8:22
22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Mark 12:29
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
John 20:17
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
John 8:28
28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
Luke 23:46
46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
Matthew 19:17
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew 24:36
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
John 5:30
30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 19:11
11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.
John 8:42
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Was it a Holy Sand Casting?
In this statement, Jesus shows He is God.
The statement shouldn't be take like "Why do you call me good? I am not good. Only God is good."
It should be taken like "I want you to know who you're talking to right now. I am good, and only God is good, therefore I am God."
Jesus wanted the rich young ruler to realize who he was talking to.
The Father is the economic head of the Trinity, which is what is being referenced here. John 1:1-3 should pretty well establish that The Son is equal to The Father in terms of nature/substance as his identity as God is established there. Reading all of John's Gospel within the context of the opening chapter is key in avoiding Unitarian heresy.
Christ is referred to as "The Only Begotten Son of God", so it follows that he comes out of The Father from the beginning. This is basic Trinitarian Doctrine 101.Proverbs 8:22
22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
In nature God is indeed one, in subsistence he is 3; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. All of them are of the same substance, thus they are all one in nature, though 3 in persons.Mark 12:29
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
This is a statement of Christ's humiliation in his pre-ascended state. Inferring that he does not possess the same divine nature as God because he is fulfilling his role of perfectly keeping the law in his Human Nature is a distortion of what is being discussed here. And again, all of John's Gospel should be read in light of the first chapter.John 20:17
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
When Jesus refers to himself by the title "Son of man", it can be rightly inferred that the context is his human nature, which in its worldly humiliation for the purpose of mediation between The Father and the creation, is subordinate to the will and teachings of The Father. And again, even in Christ's divine person, his subsistence is economically subordinate to The Father.John 8:28
28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
The eternal begotten Son of God returns to the economic head of the Trinity, aka The Father. It's curious to note that any subordinate creature in the sense being implied by you including this quote would be blaspheming to presume to commend his spirit unto God unless he himself was partaking of the divine economy.Luke 23:46
46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
Bowing and worshiping the worldly humiliation of Jesus is considered idolatry by the reformed, which is what appears to be taking place with this man. Furthermore, you do realize that Jesus often used rhetorical questions in order to draw out peoples' intentions, right?Matthew 19:17
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Another statement of economic headship, not to mention that Jesus did not preclude himself from knowledge as he only disqualified men and angels from knowledge of the time to come.Matthew 24:36
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Again, you need to read this with an eye to the opening chapter of John's Gospel. The Father is the economic head, and as clearly stated in the Nicene Creed, the Son and The Spirit proceed from The Father. Any statement regarding Christ's economic function as the 2nd person of the trinity is fully in harmony with this.John 5:30
30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
If you are taking this out of context quote to be a reference to God, you would have to assume that God committed sin. The first half of this references the providence of God, whereas the 2nd half is speaking of Judas and the Temple Priests.John 19:11
11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.
Any one of my previous responses regarding other isolated passages from John's Gospel will take care of this one. Nothing you have cited contradicts anything in the Nicene Creed or in any other historic council dealing with the Trinity or Christ's 2 natures, unless you take heretic scissors and cut isolated verses out of John and ignore the beginning of it, as well as anything else that bolster's Christ's divinity in the New Testament.John 8:42
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
People arguing over whether what was written that someone said by someone else is to be interpreted this way or that depending on other things that were said that some said by something written by someone at some time in that ancient past.
What was the topic?
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"When a portion of wealth is transferred from the person who owns it—without his consent and without compensation, and whether by force or by fraud—to anyone who does not own it, then I say that property is violated; that an act of plunder is committed." - Bastiat : The Law
"nothing evil grows in alcohol" ~ @presence
"I mean can you imagine what it would be like if firemen acted like police officers? They would only go into a burning house only if there's a 100% chance they won't get any burns. I mean, you've got to fully protect thy self first." ~ juleswin
Nah. At least the constitution debates are about substance rather that he said she said. We are going to have some form of government until all of mankind can treat others as themselves. At least that's what I think. And it may as well be a government that does as little as absolutely possible to restrain those that it pretends to represent.Kinda like CONstitution debates, eh?
"When a portion of wealth is transferred from the person who owns it—without his consent and without compensation, and whether by force or by fraud—to anyone who does not own it, then I say that property is violated; that an act of plunder is committed." - Bastiat : The Law
"nothing evil grows in alcohol" ~ @presence
"I mean can you imagine what it would be like if firemen acted like police officers? They would only go into a burning house only if there's a 100% chance they won't get any burns. I mean, you've got to fully protect thy self first." ~ juleswin
Thread post #1, may provide an answer. At least that is/was the intention. (SHHHH, please don't tell anyone else because it just makes them crankier.)
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