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    Exclamation CO-‘Camping’ on Your Own Land is Now Illegal

    ‘Camping’ on Your Own Land is Now Illegal — Govt Waging War on Off-Grid Living

    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cam...epb6FtSSBRC.99

    By Jay Syrmopoulos on October 2, 2015

    Costilla County, CO — Across the U.S., local zoning officials are making it increasingly difficult for people to go off the grid, in some instances threatening people with jail time for collecting rainwater or not hooking into local utilities.

    As zoning laws have increasingly targeted the off-grid lifestyle, many have moved to the Southwestern U.S. as an escape from overzealous zoning officials.

    In Costilla County, Colorado, there has been a major influx of off-grid residents to the San Luis Valley. The combination of lax zoning regulations, cheap property, and an already thriving community of self-reliant off-grid homesteaders has led to many new residents.

    The off-grid lifestyle, enjoyed by an estimated 800 people, is now being threatened as county officials have recently made moves to essentially regulate and license the lifestyle into oblivion.

    Tensions boiled over during a county commissioners’ meeting in San Louis, Colorado, devolving into a shouting match between homesteaders and police. One of the major points of contention is the county’s attempt to ban camping on your own property, in an effort to force the off-grid homesteaders back onto the grid.

    “We are residents who have come to live off the grid. It’s all our land.” … “These are harsh economic times. We have nowhere to go,” twenty-year resident Paul Skinner said.

    “We’ve been regulated out of life,” homesteader Robin Rutan told Colorado Public Radio. “I came here because I couldn’t live by the codes [in other regions].”

    The county, which requires residents to have a camping permit to live in an RV, “small house” or other camp style home, has started to simply refuse the renewal of these permits.

    This is obviously a major problem for homesteaders, who often live in such accommodations while building their permanent residents.

    “They started enforcing the changes before they were actually made,” resident Chloe Everhart said.

    Everhart said she performed due diligence prior to buying her land, with one of the most important aspects of the plan being a 90-day camping permit. Without a 90-day permit, camping on residential plots is only allowed for 14 days per every three months.

    But just as Everhart was arriving, the board of commissioners instructed the planning and zoning commission to no longer issue camping permits.

    In spite of her best efforts, Everhart is now an outlaw.

    County land use administrator Matt Valdez disputes the claims that the county is trying to regulate people’s lifestyles out of existence. He says that his office has discretion to deny camping permits under existing code and claims that too many new residents were habitually renewing permits meant to be temporary.

    “We’re not trying to drive people off their property,” Valdez said.

    Valdez said he simply wants to make sure already established rules are followed for aesthetic and safety reasons.

    The vilification of people who choose to live an alternative lifestyle is extremely commonplace in modern America.

    While there may be legitimate issues that need to be addressed, people have a right to use land that they own in the manner they see fit. To use the technicalities of the law to essentially evict people from land they own reeks of tyrannical overreach and oppression of personal liberty.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee



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    They were shouting at cops and they got to walk out of there in one piece?
    I'm not sure they're firing on all cylinders there. I mean they intentionally moved there to get away from the fact that they couldn't live as they wish wherever they want, so why would they think that it's OK to offend the state enforcers?
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    If you're out there off grid... check out Exede Internet VOIP; $80/mo unlimited North America phone calls w/ 12meg internet via satellite: Off grid game changer.

    I live on dirt road and about half of my local plumbing/electrical clients are off grid... makes for some really interesting projects that most plumbers and electricians don't get to play with.... solar panels, wind, microhydro; spring development; thermosiphon circulation; custom wood and pellet stoves, various farm related projects, etc. There are supposedly building codes and such... but nobody pulls permits out here; many fly Gadsen flags in defiance of that nonsense.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    If you're out there off grid... check out Exede Internet VOIP; $80/mo unlimited North America phone calls w/ 12meg internet via satellite: Off grid game changer.
    12 megs of what? 12 megs of data before you're throttled? That's the satellite norm...

    I live on dirt road and about half of my local plumbing/electrical clients are off grid... makes for some really interesting projects that most plumbers and electricians don't get to play with.... solar panels, wind, microhydro; spring development; thermosiphon circulation; custom wood and pellet stoves, various farm related projects, etc. There are supposedly building codes and such... but nobody pulls permits out here; many fly Gadsen flags in defiance of that nonsense.
    Where is this magical place, and how much is land...
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    12 megs of what? 12 megs of data before you're throttled? That's the satellite norm...
    12Mbps is their advertised download speed. They won some award last year for being closest to advertised speed of national carriers.



    Where is this magical place, and how much is land...
    You can find little pockets like this all over the US. When you're land shopping look for property adjacent or very close to state or national forest. Insist on "outside of city limits".

    Local land price is about $2500/acre for 10.

    There is a growing trend of using those off site built "sheds" as mobile homes; people buy the "sheds" ($5k - $15k depending on size) then have local contractors turn them into off grid studio apartments.




    unassuming, zero property tax implication
    Last edited by presence; 10-02-2015 at 12:56 PM.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


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    So how do we get rid of these zoning people?

    I've already told the ones around me, I don't want to pay them for that service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    So how do we get rid of these zoning people?

    I've already told the ones around me, I don't want to pay them for that service.
    If they knock on the door answer naked.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    If they knock on the door answer naked.
    Then I'd probably be arrested. I know how crazy the world is now.



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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    12Mbps is their advertised download speed. They won some award last year for being closest to advertised speed of national carriers.





    You can find little pockets like this all over the US. When you're land shopping look for property adjacent or very close to state or national forest. Insist on "outside of city limits".

    Local land price is about $2500/acre for 10.

    There is a growing trend of using those off site built "sheds" as mobile homes; people buy the "sheds" ($5k - $15k depending on size) then have local contractors turn them into off grid studio apartments.




    unassuming, zero property tax implication
    SWEET!

    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    If they knock on the door answer naked.
    Draping a 14' boa constrictor over your shoulders works too. Well, it works great for Jehovah Witnesses, anyway...

    planting some bouncing Betties on the path to the front door might be more effective...

    -t

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    By Jay Syrmopoulos on October 2, 2015

    Costilla County, CO ... regulate and license the lifestyle into oblivion... It’s all our land.” … “We’ve been regulated out of life"... The county... has started to simply refuse the renewal of these permits... This is obviously a major problem for homesteaders, who often live in such accommodations while building their permanent residents... County land use administrator... has discretion to deny camping permits... said he simply wants to make sure already established rules are followed for aesthetic and safety reasons... The vilification of... alternative lifestyle... commonplace in... America.
    OK, this has made my head hurt sufficiently that I don't even want to do my usual schtick. I will say, however, that this is spreading all over the nation and will continue to do so. Do not turn to the courts for help. They will, most likely, be unhelpful and could actually make the situation far worse. I am reticent to accept "changing the law" as a path to satisfactory justice on the matter, mainly because people cannot hold their breaths for decades on end.

    Once again, methinks the choice will be this: lay down or fight. This is all Theye and their instruments understand; brute force.

    Now, the text in red should read "residences". It would seem the public schools have failed Jay significantly.
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    Is this disputed land in city limits? Or county?

    I am 42 come March, and I have always made sure to live in the county wherever I was. I have never gotten a permit for anything in my life, with the exception of one needed for my septic tank to be replaced, and that was just t placate the contractor.

    I seriously don't know if it's where I've lived (although I've lived all over the nation, except out west), if I'm just ungodly lucky, or if people are that scared of the wife....but the few times anyone relating to government came poking around, I ran them off cussing their entire family tree. That includes a "doctor" from my son's school wanting to put him on special classes he didn't need, and she had a police escort.

    I'll say this though, if they are in the city limits, then they didn't perform all due diligence. The money that lot cost would buy several acres in the county area. If they are in the county though....well, if they'll stick to their guns (no pun intended), they'll leave them alone.
    "Self conquest is the greatest of all victories." - Plato

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    Quote Originally Posted by bxm042 View Post
    Just be normal like everyone else. It's much easier that way.
    Okay, I'll throw you a green for that one. You are a fine normal American as your avatar indicates. God Bless Fleagles.

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