Shooting at Umpqua Community College in Oregon

[DevilsAdvocate]

lol, ok, rought numbers since you are showing a statistic that the ratio of college women to men is 4:3

The three most attractive females, of the four, will simultaneously $#@! the most attractive male, of the three, and leave the other 2 men in the dust. Of course, once you increase the numbers of students, you can see how this plays out - same thing, but with a much bigger pool. One of those two men might end up $#@!ing the least attractive woman, if either of them have any such motivation, or she could be a lesbian.

As far as money'd men, they could be beta bux. See where their marriages are in 10 years. But betas can also impersonate alphas to some extent, there certainly are no hard-fast rules here we are just talking about trends.

But not all women just want sex. Many want relationships. In fact for a lot of them having a relationship is very very deeply important, possibly more important than even sex. Haven't you ever watched a Soap Opera? What do you think that is, a bunch of smut? It's about drama, relationships, feelings, facial expressions. For a straight guy like me it's boring as $#@! (seriously, I keep waiting for something to happen but it never does), but apparently women eat this stuff up. They LOVE this stuff, they can't get enough of it. Relationships are their thing.

Which is why, by the way, in my opinion they are the building blocks of society. Haven't you seen the kind of crazy $#@! guys get up to when there are no women around? (let's jump a jetski over the house). But the minute there's a female in the group, it's like a civilizing influence. She's like the one maintaining order ("no, Frank, you can't wear the same clothes 10 days in a row"). Conversely, if there are too many females, it's a total gabfest, nothing much gets done. (Been in this situation many times. You think it would be nice to be surrounded by tons of women, but actually it's extremely aggravating. You wish you had some duct tape some times to stop the endless chattering sound)

I've talked to quite a few teenage girls that imagine marrying their high school boyfriend. Or if they don't have a boyfriend yet, they imagine finding their true love who will be with them forever. It's not until they get older that they lose these notions and get accustomed to life as a sexual object. It doesn't help that their mother and father is there egging them on, telling them to play the field instead of settling. I think the ones you're focusing on are the rampant sluts, but you know you're always going to have those.

The average woman only has 5-10 sexual partners in her life, the number for men is much higher in every survey. The number of men that have extremely high numbers of partners (15+, 20+) is far higher for men than for women. Cheating? Porn watching? Desire to experiment? Guess who comes out way in the lead on all these categories? (Here's a hint: not women!)

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/Poll...=156921&page=1

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...-10297819.html

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/n.htm


In fact, if you talk to these "easy" girls (you know the type), you'll find that plenty of them have severe family problems, daddy issues, sister issues...etc. Quite a few of them were sexually abused when they were younger (a lot more than you might think). For girls like this, it's not all just a happy party, this behavior actually sort of like therapy for them. Many of them are severely unhappy, glued to their phones, with huge anxiety about themselves and the people around them.

You could argue that a major part of the problem is the males unwillingness to commit to a single relationship. Why are you simply giving "alpha" men a pass for sleeping around so much? Because that's "just what guys do" right? You can't control it any more than you can turn back the tide right? Why is the blame totally on women's shoulders? To be honest, in a lot of my experience, women are very suggestible under the influence of a man. You can almost...mold them like clay (you'll never hear a feminist saying that!). So maybe it's up to the men to change, and perhaps the women will follow?

The whole MGTOW thing seems like a vast overreaction to me.

[timosman]

Police clearing science room 15. Seems reasonable after a shooting.

Second guy w/o helmet. The photographer not protected. How far does your BS meter go on this one ?

[jonhowe]

Second guy w/o helmet. The photographer not protected. How far does your BS meter go on this one ?

That's why he's not 1st.

Im no expert but this looks like a telephoto lense shot.


Sorry, this doesn't look unusual.

[Anti Federalist]

Who’s the Bigger Murderer?

Thomas DiLorenzo

Chris Harper-Mercer, who shot and killed ten people in an Oregon community college last week, or Barack Obama, who ordered the aerial bombing of a Doctors-Without-Borders hospital in Afghanistan that killed nineteen people last week? You do the math.

[Rothbardian Girl]

People are mischaracterizing danno's point by stating that he blames women. However, young men are becoming increasingly marginalized - socially, economically, sexually, etc. In reality, it appears that there is a War on Men.

For the top, "alpha" males, life is just grand as it has always been. They get hired, they get the juicy promotions (even if less technically competent than their "beta" peers), they have plenty of friends, and they develop soft harems of women to have sex with. Pretty good deal, unless you're in the bottom 75% of men or so. Focusing on the sexual aspect, just as there is an economic market, there is also a sexual market of sorts. The "alphas" are the sexual equivalents of the wealthy, and with traditional monogamy going out the window, the "rich" have gotten richer and the "poor" have gotten poorer. Decades ago, the "betas" could still work hard, find a woman to marry, and live a life with at least some fulfillment, but that isn't so much the case today for a lot of young men.

The problem is that with unrestricted sexuality and greater economic freedom, women are more able to "date up," which leaves the lower men behind in the dust. An "alpha" will have drunken sex with Plain Jane because why not? Of course, he probably won't commit to her or even call her again, but Plain Jane made out like a bandit. The problem is that Plain Jane becomes accustomed to bedding a certain class of man, but these men generally will not commit to her since they can easily obtain more attractive women. Then Plain Jane will feel depressed and wonder, "Where have all the good men gone?" Meanwhile, John Doe is greatly attracted to Plain Jane, but she isn't in the least bit attracted to him since she has become accustomed to bedding "alphas." John Doe may technically be Plain Jane's equal and would be willing to commit, but Plain Jane holds on to the fantasy that Mr. Alpha will come sweep her off her feet. She only gives her attention to John Doe when she is getting older, is less attractive, and is looking for a provider for Mr. Alpha's bastard spawn...but only after being pumped into oblivion by numerous "alphas" (what a $#@!ing prize for John Doe). Then Plain Jane gets bored with John Doe one day and divorce rapes him.

Unfortunately, plenty of men don't even get to have John Doe's experience, and they are resigned to playing World of Warcraft while masturbating with Cheeto-stained fingers since they don't have much motivation left. People seem to underestimate just how psychologically and emotionally damaging it can be for a young man to involuntarily be deprived of sex, love, affection, etc. It is no wonder that some of them finally go mad. At least back when monogamy was the norm, Mr. Cheeto would still have a chance to find a woman, since all of the women would have been shamed for sleeping around with "alpha" studs and would have needed to find a man before becoming an old spinster.

I guarantee you that if these shooters were living a rapper's life, having threesomes with hot babes at a pool party, going on a rampage would be the last $#@!ing thing on their to-do list. It isn't that women should be blamed; if anything should be blamed, it is cultural degradation.

Blah, blah, blah. More of the same tired MGTOW horse$#@!. You guys may want to try finding a better analogy, because wolf packs don't actually work the way you all say they do in the wild. Actually, most wolves who lead packs gain that status precisely because they mate and produce offspring - in other words, not because they were busy being sexy badasses who were unwilling to commit. So α = β.

Also unaddressed is the fact that a great deal of men who see fit to complain about the modern state of dating relations (typically the Aspergers/socially awkward types) tend to overestimate their own looks (as well as how interesting they are), while people with low-self esteem (typically women, though I have met a few attractive men who sadly considered themselves ugly) tend to underestimate their own. Think the geek who has never been in a relationship before wishing for a woman who looks like, say, Natalie Portman. I find that socially awkward women tend to bend over backward trying to learn social skills and the "rules of the game," possibly contributing to their success in the dating arena, while socially awkward men tend to sit back and complain that no one wants them. Not coincidentally, this goes along well with how women and men are socialized beginning from an early age. Also, advertising has a lot to do with this - male-oriented advertising usually suggests something like "You're already super awesome; use this razor/drink this beer/drive this truck to be at your best," while female-oriented advertising usually relies on scaremongering about body hair or weight to sell products. Men have higher standards for how women look than women do for men. So the "John Doe" in your example is probably butt-ugly, realistically speaking, and chasing after someone who puts a lot more effort into her appearance than he does into his. (For the vast majority of men, no amount of career success or money can change being physically unattractive or looking like a slob.)

Somewhere along the line we were told that women don't care so much about appearance as long as the guy has a career and money, and men will bang any woman even remotely physically attractive. This is definitely not always true, and it has led to a lot of men scrutinizing women's bodies for their entire lives while not reserving that same critical eye for themselves. Therefore, they gain a very lopsided understanding of what is in their league.

[enhanced_deficit]

The IRA Sympathizer shooter who singled out Christians for killing in Oregon

From Terrorist Bagman to Homeland Security Overlord: The Curious Career of Peter King




Oregon gunman Chris Harper Mercer discharged from US Army

Who’s the Bigger Murderer?

Thomas DiLorenzo

Chris Harper-Mercer, who shot and killed ten people in an Oregon community college last week, or Barack Obama, who ordered the aerial bombing of a Doctors-Without-Borders hospital in Afghanistan that killed nineteen people last week? You do the math.

This is a very troubling question, Thomas D should not have raised it. America is already very divided and guilt ridden since Iraqi freedom spreading and can do without such divisive analogies. "We is not the White America, we is not the Black America.. we is the United States of America" as Obama so eloquently said in hid famous speech.

[Philhelm]

And there's nothing they can do? They can't elevate themselves in any way? They're just born like this? It's society's fault? Why are we content to say that people can fix their own problems when it comes to politics, but not sex??

Yes, people can improve themselves, but there will always be winners and losers. My argument is that the current environment has resulted in a change in sexual dynamics and that, in particular, "beta" men have probably suffered the most.

YOU are the one passing judgement on literally half the planet off of a handful of anecdotes and personal experiences, and trying to explain away a MASS SHOOTING in the process. Sorry that I want you to back them up with something other than a claiming you've had a threesome.

I'm not blaming women for anything. In fact, I have acknowledged that many women have also suffered, but simply not to the same extent as men.

HAHAHA! Ok, now I get it. This isn't a debate I can win. This is an angry cuckolded husband who hates women because he married a bad one.
Sorry you're a bad judge of character, buddy.

My wife screwed the DJ well before I ever met her, so that's not the issue. Both of my children are of trueborn lineage.

The 'fitness' of the women in my law school classes was quite impressive, actually. It was an eye opening experience. It's almost like people who work hard to better themselves intellectually tend to do so physically as well.

That may very well be, but that's not the point. The original point is that men tend to value a woman's attractiveness more than her career success.

But MORE than men? Have you looked at porn lately?

Not since Jared Fogle stopped sending me emails.

All your women-hating aside, this is where we really disagree. Even here in NYC you mainly see "like with like", be it in dating, hooking up in bars, or in marriages. Sure there's some old/ugly wall street guys with 20 year old model wives, but even in the rich areas like where I used to work it is the exception, not the rule.

I've never been to NYC, and I'll be damned if I ever do.

Sounds like you're friends with a handful of awful people. Look at your OWN life, stop blaming women for your problems (and mass shootings).

I never stated that they were my friends. And again, I'm not precisely blaming women.

[Anti Federalist]

(For the vast majority of men, no amount of career success or money can change being physically unattractive or looking like a slob.)

That is laughably naive, if what you are implying is that money cannot cause decent looking women to hang on your arm.

[Philhelm]

Blah, blah, blah. More of the same tired MGTOW horse$#@!. You guys may want to try finding a better analogy, because wolf packs don't actually work the way you all say they do in the wild. Actually, most wolves who lead packs gain that status precisely because they mate and produce offspring - in other words, not because they were busy being sexy badasses who were unwilling to commit. So α = β.

I'm not a MGTOW as I'm married with children. However, I did eat the bastard children so as to not taint my pack with impurity.

[RonPaulIsGreat]

That is laughably naive, if what you are implying is that money cannot cause decent looking women to hang on your arm.

Yeah, she must not have heard of Donald Trump.

[Rothbardian Girl]

That is laughably naive, if what you are implying is that money cannot cause decent looking women to hang on your arm.

I'm saying the "ugly rich dude married to a beautiful woman" scenario is rarer than it may appear to be (note: I am aware Donald Trump exists). The rarity of course is understandable, given the relative sizes of the upper income brackets. I certainly don't see why certain men have chosen to make this scenario the focus of their ire towards women (i.e., saying that a great deal of women are status and income-obsessed). Maybe they are watching too many romantic comedies/too much TV in general. What I do tend to see, though, is men dating way above their level when both people are in the same income bracket. A quick way to tell is if the woman is wearing beautiful clothing and walking hand-in-hand with some dude in shorts, a hoodie and Nike slides. While I get that it's perfectly fine to dress down, the fact that 20-something white dudes seem to be carbon copies of each other is just disheartening. (Of course, the same critique can be leveled at females as well, but that's not the point here.) That scenario just goes along with the whole idea that women are generally expected to put more into their appearance than men are.

Also, anecdote: I knew a guy from high school who is now some sort of bigshot MLM executive (I'm 99% sure he runs scams with his posse, but whatever - the illusion of wealth is still there), and he dresses nicely, but he has the face of a 15-year old and thus is not attractive in any way whatsoever. And females seem to be notably absent at his parties (he's straight). I'm not sure millenials are as status-obsessed as other generations may have been. People of my generation are choosing smartphones over cars and houses.

[RonPaulIsGreat]

What I do tend to see, though, is men dating way above their level when both people are in the same income bracket. A quick way to tell is if the woman is wearing beautiful clothing and walking hand-in-hand with some dude in shorts, a hoodie and Nike slides. While I get that it's perfectly fine to dress down, the fact that 20-something white dudes seem to be carbon copies of each other is just disheartening. (Of course, the same critique can be leveled at females as well, but that's not the point here.) That scenario just goes along with the whole idea that women are generally expected to put more into their appearance than men are.

So, the dude is paying the bills and the woman is wasting money on expensive clothes? Not understanding your point, that to me screams shallow woman. Men don't give two $#@!s how a woman dresses day to day.

[Rothbardian Girl]

So, the dude is paying the bills and the woman is wasting money on expensive clothes? Not understanding your point, that to me screams shallow woman. Men don't give two $#@!s how a woman dresses day to day.

No, in that paragraph, I was talking about people dating before they are married or spending money on each other. I'm talking about how people tend to pair off based on attractiveness level. At least where I live, and among people my age, it's much more common to see weak-chinned and/or generally soft-featured men dating above their level, or feeling entitled to date above their level.

[dannno]

Women are not robot automatons. Nor are men. You are just projecting your own sick fantasies on an entire gender.

Very sad.

Not true at all, I'm portraying reality using common behavioural patterns.

[dannno]

But not all women just want sex. Many want relationships. In fact for a lot of them having a relationship is very very deeply important, possibly more important than even sex. Haven't you ever watched a Soap Opera? What do you think that is, a bunch of smut? It's about drama, relationships, feelings, facial expressions. For a straight guy like me it's boring as $#@! (seriously, I keep waiting for something to happen but it never does), but apparently women eat this stuff up. They LOVE this stuff, they can't get enough of it. Relationships are their thing.

I know relationships are important to a lot of women - not all - some are in the hookup stage, but this usually occurs at a younger age and many transition out of it.

Women like drama, hell ya they do.. When you watch these Soap Operas, is it just about some guy and girl falling in love and living happily ever after? That isn't drama... Is there sexual intrigue, dishonestly, manipulation? Women crave drama, they often create drama in their own lives. This is a seemingly irrational aspect of women that I've failed to understand the reason for.

The average woman only has 5-10 sexual partners in her life, the number for men is much higher in every survey. The number of men that have extremely high numbers of partners (15+, 20+) is far higher for men than for women. Cheating? Porn watching? Desire to experiment? Guess who comes out way in the lead on all these categories? (Here's a hint: not women!)

When asked, women tend to divide the number of sexual partners by three, and men tend to multiply the number of sexual partners they have had by three. That is the rule of three. So this survey is meaningless.

In fact, if you talk to these "easy" girls (you know the type), you'll find that plenty of them have severe family problems, daddy issues, sister issues...etc. Quite a few of them were sexually abused when they were younger (a lot more than you might think). For girls like this, it's not all just a happy party, this behavior actually sort of like therapy for them. Many of them are severely unhappy, glued to their phones, with huge anxiety about themselves and the people around them.

It's too bad that you haven't taken the time to go to my thread on r vs. K selection strategies, this is all explained by the fact that r strategy tend to have a perception of unlimited resources (welfare), they don't invest as much in their children, they encourage sex at a younger age and they pass on many of these traits genetically. So there are plenty of girls with a strong, healthy sex drive and a healthy attitude toward sex (what you call "easy") who are actually very bright and have their $#@! together, so to speak. But you're correct that in general girls who are 'easier' often have family issues - this is an r trait, their families tend to be poor and r reproductive strategy does not invest as much in their children.

You could argue that a major part of the problem is the males unwillingness to commit to a single relationship. Why are you simply giving "alpha" men a pass for sleeping around so much? Because that's "just what guys do" right? You can't control it any more than you can turn back the tide right? Why is the blame totally on women's shoulders? To be honest, in a lot of my experience, women are very suggestible under the influence of a man. You can almost...mold them like clay (you'll never hear a feminist saying that!). So maybe it's up to the men to change, and perhaps the women will follow?

The whole MGTOW thing seems like a vast overreaction to me.

lol, you are missing the entire point of my posts.. the betas the girls are passing up would in many cases commit to a single relationship - but the women tend to have sex with the alphas who have no desire to commit because they can get consistent sex without committing. So the betas are single because the girls are largely having sex with alphas and many are wondering why they aren't getting the commitment out of them - others are just having fun (K trait former, r trait latter)

[dannno]

No, in that paragraph, I was talking about people dating before they are married or spending money on each other. I'm talking about how people tend to pair off based on attractiveness level. At least where I live, and among people my age, it's much more common to see weak-chinned and/or generally soft-featured men dating above their level, or feeling entitled to date above their level.

Probably because the men that the women actually want to $#@! are in prison.

[DevilsAdvocate]

You know, it's kind of funny to see men talk about women like they know everything, and women talk about men like they know everything. It's like hearing an America tell a Russian all about Russia. Or a Bosnian telling an German all about Germany.

Wouldn't it be more logical for either side to instead talk about things from their own perspective, and then keep an ear open and listen to what the other has to say? That way both sides can learn more about the other and come to an understanding.

We each think we know everything about each other. Women are so willing to tell men all about how they are the problem. Men are so eager to tell women how actually, no, THEY are the problem. Nobody is listening to the other's point of view, both sides have dug their heels in totally sure that they have it all figured out.

The most important part of a conversation is listening. And listening is more than just hearing.

[alucard13mm]

Man pleads guilty to killing 5 relatives with meat cleaver [because he was jealous of other's success]

NEW YORK (AP) — A Chinese immigrant who authorities said butchered five relatives with a meat cleaver in a fit of jealousy, including four small children, will serve at least 125 years in prison after pleading guilty Wednesday to murder and manslaughter charges.




Mingdong Chen admitted that he killed his cousin's wife, 37-year-old Qiao Zhen Li, and her children, Linda, 9; Amy, 7; Kevin, 5; and William Zhou, 18 months; in
October 2013.


The 27-year-old showed no visible reaction as he entered his plea. Under a deal with prosecutors, Chen must serve at least 125 years in prison before becoming eligible for parole.


Prosecutors said Li called her mother-in-law in China on the evening of Oct. 27, 2013, saying Chen was in the house with a knife and threatening the family. When the mother-in-law heard children crying in the background, she called other relatives in New York who rushed to the home in Brooklyn's Sunset Park neighborhood. By the time they arrived, the five relatives were dead and Chen was dripping in blood.


Police said the family had been slaughtered, each of the five repeatedly stabbed and slashed in the throat and neck. Their bodies were found strewn about the house. Chen had been staying in their home for about a week before the killings, authorities said.

When detectives questioned him, Chen told them he was jealous of the success of his fellow Chinese immigrants, police said. Relatives said he had been fired from different restaurant jobs.


But exactly what set off Chen's rampage remains a mystery, one that left family members, prosecutors and the judge with a burning question.

"The question is why he'd do these things," state Supreme Court Judge Vincent Del Giudice said. "It really doesn't much matter."


Assistant District Attorney Mark Hale said prosecutors offered Chen the deal because it would spare Li's husband and other relatives from having "to relive the worst day of their lives." Hale said they also wanted to ensure that Chen would publicly admit to the killings. Li's husband was in court Wednesday but declined to comment.

In 2014, a Brooklyn judge ruled that Chen was not competent to stand trial because he had exhibited signs of mental illness that made him incapable of being able to assist in his own defense.

Chen's attorney, Danielle Eaddy, declined to comment.

[Anti Federalist]

Cleaver Control!! ^^^

[alucard13mm]

Cleaver Control!! ^^^

Seems most of the people going on crazed shootings either dont have anyhting going on with their lives or they aren't getting any "action"

[timosman]

Seems most of the people going on crazed shootings either dont have anyhting going on with their lives or they aren't getting any "action"

You just described the majority of the population The real reason might be elsewhere - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...s-Mass-Killers