Humans Need Not Apply: How Robots Will Do Everything Better

[helmuth_hubener]

Here is an interesting video:



It actually is very interesting. I liked seeing all the robots and technological progress. I have always been of the mind that there will always be plenty of jobs, because there will always be plenty of human desires. And so someone has to fulfill those desires.

And that's true as far as it goes.

But I was listening to an episode of the Tom Woods Show recently where he talks about how in the last days of the Roman Republic there were returning soldiers who came back after years of far-flung campaigns and found their fields ruined and useless, and so they had to sell their land. They went into the cities to find work, but there had to compete against slaves and they couldn't, for the most part. They couldn't find any productive work. And so you got this restless, discontented mass of landless, jobless, rootless men. It caused big problems and led to the downfall of Rome -- the end of the Republic and the formation of the Empire. Every good historian has to have a theory about why Rome fell, and so now we know Tom's. And it's a pretty good theory. I found it interesting.

And so then when I ran across this video, I actually watched it, and thought of it in light of Tom's commentary on the unemployable hordes of Rome. Hmmm.

Here's the Tom Woods episode. Starting at 20:50.


Thoughts?

[Ronin Truth]

The Singularity speedily approaches.

[Zippyjuan]

People will be freed from manual labor and free to do more productive things. They won't have to work anymore. (But how will they get money to buy food and pay rent? )
How come we don't have more "high paying" jobs these days?

[timosman]

People will be freed from manual labor and free to do more productive things. They won't have to work anymore. (But how will they get money to buy food and pay rent? )
How come we don't have more "high paying" jobs these days?

You are the resident economy expert. How come you do not have an answer to this one ?

[navy-vet]

People will be freed from manual labor and free to do more productive things. They won't have to work anymore. (But how will they get money to buy food and pay rent? )
How come we don't have more "high paying" jobs these days?

I think that the next step in the evolution of the 3D printers will begin ushering in the change from a culture that is focused on the acquisition of wealth to one that begins to correct the problems that haunt us.

[timosman]

I think that the next step in the evolution of the 3D printers will begin ushering in the change from a culture that is focused on the acquisition of wealth to one that begins to correct the problems that haunt us.

Utopia ?

[navy-vet]

Utopia ?

I don't know about that, but it might help folks to get a little closer.

[navy-vet]

I don't know about that, but it might help folks to get a little closer.

to a more utopian order...

[RJB]

Humans Need Not Apply: How Robots Will Do Everything Better

The Fed's Yellen model 7YX2 proves that:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...n-Health-Scare

[navy-vet]

For me, a matter replicator for instance, which would allow me to produce what ever I needed or desired, materialistically speaking, would bring me pretty dang close to what I would consider a utopian existence.

[HVACTech]

I think that the next step in the evolution of the 3D printers will begin ushering in the change from a culture that is focused on the acquisition of wealth to one that begins to correct the problems that haunt us.

I am anxious for the day that we all have a "replicator" (like on Star Trek) and a force field around our properties.
and on that day, I will support full hard core anarchy.

until that day. I recommend the Founders approach. MinArchy.

[HVACTech]

For me, a matter replicator for instance, which would allow me to produce what ever I needed or desired, materialistically speaking, would bring me pretty dang close to what I would consider a utopian existence.

well, as soon as we humans can figure out, just what "matter" or "mass" is. we will be a step closer.
that would also help us to figure out gravity.

many silly humans think that we understand these things, when the truth is.
we do not.

[navy-vet]

well, as soon as we humans can figure out, just what "matter" or "mass" is. we will be a step closer.
that would also help us to figure out gravity.

many silly humans think that we understand these things, when the truth is.
we do not.

That's certainly true. Dark matter for example, we just realized it's existence. And it comprises the majority of everything... We know plenty enough though to get us in over our heads.

[HVACTech]

That's certainly true. Dark matter for example, we just realized it's existence. And it comprises the majority of everything... We know plenty enough though to get us in over our heads.

well, Einsteins "theory" as well as Planck's "theory" (quantum and relativity) both appeared shortly before WWI in Germany...
and if that is not interesting enough.
we have been beating these twin "theories" for OVER 100 years now.
and yet, they remain theories until this very day.

clearly there is a fatal flaw somewhere in this line of reasoning.
I am thinking that is has to do with a misunderstanding of the properties of Plasma.

[navy-vet]

http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/newsandev...-2014-15-32-44
So, this is the kind of stuff that is bringing us closer to being able to do some pretty amazing and interesting things in regards to this subject.
Imagine a device that could convert raw materials or energy, or maybe even wastes, into foods, clothing, furniture, building panels, motors, solar panels, fresh water, medicines, beverages, spare replicators, etc.
Imagine every human being having one of these devices. Imagine the results...

[phill4paul]

I am anxious for the day that we all have a "replicator" (like on Star Trek) and a force field around our properties.
and on that day, I will support full hard core anarchy.

until that day. I recommend the Founders approach. MinArchy.

You may get your "replicator" but that fence you dream of......the Federation will get through it. They'll get through it because even though their prime directive is not to interfere they will not be able to help themselves. Because federations are incapable of it.

[navy-vet]

You may get your "replicator" but that fence you dream of......the Federation will get through it. They'll get through it because even though their prime directive is not to interfere they will not be able to help themselves.

The Prime Directive only applies to civilizations outside of the Federation I believe.

[timosman]

http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/newsandev...-2014-15-32-44
So, this is the kind of stuff that is bringing us closer to being able to do some pretty amazing and interesting things in regards to this subject.
Imagine a device that could convert raw materials or energy, or maybe even wastes, into foods, clothing, furniture, building panels, motors, solar panels, fresh water, medicines, beverages, spare replicators, etc.
Imagine every human being having one of these devices. Imagine the results...

Joe Sixpack with access to enough energy to blow up the entire city. What could possibly go wrong ?

[HVACTech]

Joe Sixpack with access to enough energy to blow up the entire city. What could possibly go wrong ?

spoken like a true statist.

I define "energy" as an imbalance. energy is flow.. created by the imbalance.
this is in harmony with the 2nd LAW of thermodynamics.

I am not sure why the creator made this rule. but tis true.

I say. power to the people!

[HVACTech]

People will be freed from manual labor and free to do more productive things. They won't have to work anymore. (But how will they get money to buy food and pay rent? )
How come we don't have more "high paying" jobs these days?

probably, what you should first acquire.
is the ability to discriminate between what "money" and "currency" are.
perchance then. you can have an intelligent discussion about an important subject.

[timosman]

spoken like a true statist.

I define "energy" as an imbalance. energy is flow.. created by the imbalance.
this is in harmony with the 2nd LAW of thermodynamics.

I am not sure why the creator made this rule. but tis true.

I say. power to the people!

Looks like you want to accelerate the 2nd Law. Thanks. What are you going to blow up this weekend ? I hope you are not living too close.

[HVACTech]

Looks like you want to accelerate the 2nd Law. Thanks. What are you going to blow up this weekend ? I hope you are not living too close.

congratulations! you know what an HVAC/R tech is!

"Looks like you want to accelerate the 2nd Law."

[angelatc]

I think that the next step in the evolution of the 3D printers will begin ushering in the change from a culture that is focused on the acquisition of wealth to one that begins to correct the problems that haunt us.

I agree. But will it be the end of capitalism as a method of resource distribution?

[navy-vet]

I agree. But will it be the end of capitalism as a method of resource distribution?

That's an interesting question.

[navy-vet]

Karl Marx, in his Grundrisse, argued that scarcity would eventually be eclipsed by the further development of automation, eventually reaching a point where human activity is free from material constraints to pursue the sciences and arts, and to pursue creative activities.^[5] Marx's concept of a post-capitalist communist society involves the free distribution of goods made possible by the abundance provided by automation.^[6]The fully developed communist economic system is postulated to develop from a preceding socialist system. Marx held the view that socialism - a system based on social ownership of the means of production - would enable progress toward the development of fully developed communism by further advancing productive technology. Under socialism, with its increasing levels of automation, an increasing proportion of goods would be distributed freely

[phill4paul]

The Prime Directive only applies to civilizations outside of the Federation I believe.

And they routinely broke it. Which means as an automaton of the Federation you would be probably closely monitored. All those sexcapades in the Holodeck? Yeah, all filmed and added to the dossier.

[Suzanimal]

Roxxxy...with skank mode.



She has quite a set of teeth.

[Ronin Truth]

Roxxxy...with skank mode.



She has quite a set of teeth.

With a little fix up she could be taken to the prom.

[Ronin Truth]

The Law of Accelerating Returns

http://www.kurzweilai.net/the-law-of...rating-returns

[navy-vet]

Interesting , thank's for the link Ronin. There's a slew of what appears to be some interesting topics about technology and it's effects on us. Somewhat dated but still relevant.