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    Money drenched in blood: Pope scolds Congress for US made weapons sold around the world

    It is amazing hypocrisy that US media owners often get on high horse judging Africans' "blood diamonds" but I have never heard a peep in our media about tens if not hundreds of billion dollars of " 'Money drenched in blood" being made by US companies and their investors?

    Why it took a foreign leader to point out massive blood drenched sore right under our noses?

    Blood drenched money making has spiked under the "Nobel Peace Prize" winner.

    Pope Francis Scolds Congress for Gun and Weapons Sales



    AP Photo/Alessandra Tarantino

    by AWR Hawkins24 Sep 201528
    On September 24, Pope Francis scolded Congress for guns and weapons which are manufactured in America and sold around the world.

    He said he was determined “to minimize and, in the long term, to end the many armed conflicts throughout our world,” as he addressed the billion-dollar sales from American companies that he sees as a contributing factor to conflicts abroad.

    According to The Intercept, Pope Francis said:
    Here we have to ask ourselves: Why are deadly weapons being sold to those who plan to inflict untold suffering on individuals and society? Sadly, the answer, as we all know, is simply for money: money that is drenched in blood, often innocent blood. In the face of this shameful and culpable silence, it is our duty to confront the problem and to stop the arms trade.

    U.S. manufacturers make tens of billions cumulatively—The Intercept cites a figure of $23.7 billion in 2014 alone—from guns and weapons that are sold “to nearly 100 different countries.” The sales “have surged to record levels” under Obama, due in part to taxpayer subsidized sales to Israel and Egypt and “huge shipments to Gulf States, particularly Saudi Arabia.” And Saudi Arabia has subsequently been criticized for using “cluster bombs and other munitions… to hit densely populated areas, schools, and even a camp for displaced people in Yemen.” These are some of the things that appear to be behind Pope Francis’s statements on this issue.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...weapons-sales/

    In addition to spending much, much more on its own military -- both in raw numbers and on a per capita basis -- than any nation in the world, the United States remains one of the world's leading arms exporters, shipping some $8.2 billion in high-tech lethal weaponry to our cash-paying friends around the globe. Wherever cluster bombs are dropped or tear gas lobbed at pro-democracy protesters in the world, there's an excellent chance that a U.S. company profited on the transaction.


    This is the kind of thing that used to be an issue. Day, the founder of the Catholic Worker movement, was a staunch pacifist who vehemently opposed the use and spread of nuclear weapons, which inspired the now largely forgotten Catholic peace movement that flourished in the Vietnam War era. By then, that wild-eyed radical -- President Dwight Eisenhower -- had also tried to warn America about the perils of the military-industrial complex. Today, America's runaway military budget and its billion-dollar arms deals rarely raise a peep. Like Michael Corleone said, "Don't ask me about my business, Kay."

    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/a...een-blood.html





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    Money drenched in blood: US made weapons sold around the world



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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    It is amazing hypocrisy that US media owners often get on high horse judging Africans' "blood diamonds" but I have never heard a peep in our media about tens if not hundreds of billion dollars of " 'Money drenched in blood" being made by US companies and their investors?

    Why it took a foreign leader to point out massive blood drenched sore right under our noses?

    Blood drenched money making has spiked under the "Nobel Peace Prize" winner.
    That's what the wars are for- making money.

    And I like Pope Francis- good on him for telling TPTB how it is.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    That's what the wars are for- making money.

    And I like Pope Francis- good on him for telling TPTB how it is.
    Yes, he showed some moral character there standing in the corridors of some of the world's biggest cheerleaders/profiteers/enablers of bloody wars.

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    hey pope...never gonna happen. Besides, where do you think your donations come from?...i know , i know, thats pretty harsh. We need to build more tractors and farm implements. Is the pope saying anything like that?....

    just another circus in town..

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    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    hey pope...never gonna happen. Besides, where do you think your donations come from?...i know , i know, thats pretty harsh. We need to build more tractors and farm implements. Is the pope saying anything like that?....

    just another circus in town..
    I assume you support the Weapons black market to then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    hey pope...never gonna happen. Besides, where do you think your donations come from?...i know , i know, thats pretty harsh. We need to build more tractors and farm implements. Is the pope saying anything like that?....

    just another circus in town..
    In a remarkable role reversal, Pope Francis took advantage of his historic address to the U.S. Congress to lecture politicians on the importance of wealth creation for lifting the poor out of poverty.

    Back in July, when a journalist told the Pope that many Americans view his words on the global economy as a criticism of the American economic system and way of life, Francis promised that he would take the critique seriously and would study up on American economic life.

    He was also criticized for paying too little attention to the middle class, “people who work and pay their taxes, normal people.”

    “That’s a good correction,” the Pope replied. “You’re right. It has been my mistake not to think about this,” after which he acknowledged: “I should go more into this in my teaching.”

    Now, in the most important political address of his trip, the Pope has done just that, holding up hard-working members of the middle class as an example to all and praising the U.S. free market system. Stymieing the predictions of the pundits who announced that the Pope would “probably discuss American capitalism’s flaws” in his words to Congress, he has done the opposite.

    Likening the men and women of Congress to the biblical figure of Moses, he reminded them of the importance of the simple, industrious people who make America great.

    The Pope said that it is “the many thousands of men and women who strive each day to do an honest day’s work, to bring home their daily bread, to save money and – one step at a time – to build a better life for their families” who “sustain the life of society.”

    These men and women “generate solidarity by their actions, and they create organizations which offer a helping hand to those most in need,” he said.

    But the Pope’s most striking words came when speaking about the ability of the free market to lift people out of poverty.

    In the fight against poverty, Francis said, it “goes without saying that part of this great effort is the creation and distribution of wealth. The right use of natural resources, the proper application of technology and the harnessing of the spirit of enterprise are essential elements of an economy which seeks to be modern, inclusive and sustainable.”

    “Business is a noble vocation,” the Pope continued, “directed to producing wealth and improving the world. It can be a fruitful source of prosperity for the area in which it operates, especially if it sees the creation of jobs as an essential part of its service to the common good.”

    This doesn’t mean that Francis will lessen his attention on helping the poor, but it does signal a realization that the free market system can do just that.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...an-capitalism/
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    I assume you support the Weapons black market to then.
    just to canada...

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    hmmm...ok, looks like farmings gonna replace the war economy...i wonder when thats going to happen..

    thanks for that link.



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    $#@! this papal socialist scumbag. He is right about this of course... But still, $#@! him. He is the embodiment of the worst ideological trends in Catholicism.
    NeoReactionary. American High Tory.

    The counter-revolution will not be televised.

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    I happen to agree with Francis on that. Same for the other top UN Security Council members arms merchants of death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    $#@! this papal socialist scumbag. He is right about this of course... But still, $#@! him. He is the embodiment of the worst ideological trends in Catholicism.
    As the saying goes: we are what we call others.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    That's what the wars are for- making money.

    And I like Pope Francis- good on him for telling TPTB how it is.
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Yes, he showed some moral character there standing in the corridors of some of the world's biggest cheerleaders/profiteers/enablers of bloody wars.
    Sounds to me like the pope is taking a backhanded swipe at the 2nd amendment.

    U.S. manufacturers make tens of billions cumulatively—The Intercept cites a figure of $23.7 billion in 2014 alone—from guns and weapons that are sold “to nearly 100 different countries.” The sales “have surged to record levels” under Obama, due in part to taxpayer subsidized sales to Israel and Egypt and “huge shipments to Gulf States, particularly Saudi Arabia.” And Saudi Arabia has subsequently been criticized for using “cluster bombs and other munitions… to hit densely populated areas, schools, and even a camp for displaced people in Yemen.” These are some of the things that appear to be behind Pope Francis’s statements on this issue.

    I'm all for getting rid of subsidies for everything from guns to solar panels. That said what would happen to the right to bear arms for U.S. citizens if the gun manufacturers as a whole went out of business? Or am I the only one that sees the pope lumping firearms in with cluster bombs as implicit support for the UN small arms treaty that many 2nd amendment advocates see as a major problem?
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    This could create more well-paying jobs in states with weapons making industries:

    Thu Apr 20, 2017

    Weighing arms sale, U.S. seeks Saudi pledge on Yemen civilian casualties

    The United States wants new commitments from Saudi Arabia to improve its targeting procedures to minimize civilian casualties in its part in the Yemen civil war as it weighs resuming sales of precision-guided munitions to Riyadh, U.S. officials told Reuters.
    An announcement of the weapons sale had been anticipated last month, but objections by mostly Democratic lawmakers and human rights groups have complicated the matter, the U.S. officials and others close to the issue said.
    "We want the Saudis to show that they are committed to use these things properly," said one U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
    At issue is the sale of about $390 million worth of guidance systems made by Raytheon Co that convert "dumb" gravity bombs into precision-guided munitions that are supposed to more accurately hit targets.
    Nearly 4,800 civilians have been killed in Yemen since the latest round of conflict began in March 2015, most of them by the Saudi-led coalition seeking to restore ousted President Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi, the United Nations human rights office said in March.
    The conflict pits Iran-allied Houthi rebels against the government backed by the Saudi-led Arab coalition.

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    The pope is a dick , but if he wants to stop by I have a list of things for him to work on with the money and power they have .

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    Here we go again, lately much of the world has been busy lecturing our historic leaders and freedom policies:

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    Mon January 15, 2018

    Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov giving his annual press conference in Moscow on Monday.

    Moscow (CNN)Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has accused the United States of destabilizing the world, airing a list of grievances over the Trump administration's foreign policy.

    Lavrov dedicated the opening of his annual press conference Monday to castigating the US, which is expected to soon issue a fresh round of sanctions against Russia over its interference in the 2016 US election. Russia has long denied meddling in the vote.
    http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/15/world/...ntl/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    ...airing a list of grievances....
    Could this be Festivus collusion??

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    Money drenched in blood: Pope scolds Congress for US made weapons sold around the world
    Doesn't seem to have done much good.

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

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    Does Pope have any idea how many well paying jobs will be lost in multiple states if US stopped selling bombs and weapons to oppressive dictators who torture/behead/dismember journalists,political opponents?


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    Money drenched in blood: US made weapons sold around the world



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    Just read today that Congress has still not undone the wars authorization given almost 20 years ago, that is stunning.

    Defense manufacturers cashing in on Trump's global arms push
    cnbc›2018/01/24
    Jan 24, 2018 - Foreign arms sales are growing in importance to the top line of big defense firms ... “We're seeing a global upturn in defense spending,” said Peter Arment, ... of dollars more in business overseas for the U.S. weapons industry.

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    I guess I'm no help...lol....I stocked up on guns and ammo this past year
    Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act! Action will delineate and define you.
    Thomas Jefferson

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    I remember many in congress were brought to tears... crocodile tears that is.

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

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    The Pope and GOPA wing funded leadership on the same age?
    This if confirmed as non-fakenews would be a game changer:

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    Also, Tulsi needs to apoligize for her below tweet insulting MAGA or rather intelligence of MAGA believers.


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