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Last edited by Voluntarist; 07-04-2018 at 09:00 PM.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you post to the internet can and will be used to humiliate you.
Baldwin continues to be great, despite a few disagreements I've had with him most of what he says is right and he's not afraid to tell the truth.
Stop believing stupid things
Neither am I.
And I do not believe that God would sanction it even if the state issued a valid license to do so.
So regardless of what the State called it,, or what some people would call it,, it is not a marriage.
It is not even an issue for me.. like as total irrelevance.
Start treating State Licenses as exactly what they are.
Drivers licenses do not make good or safe drivers.. nor do they prevent bad ones.
Barbers licenses do not make good barbers, or guarantee a good haircut.
And a Marriage License does not make a marriage.
It does not matter. Quit trying to pretend it does.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
Perhaps because you don't have to be a libertarian to be a part of the liberty movement? Ron Paul had a large number of supporters who were old right paleoconservatives.
Heck, Ron Paul was never in favor of gay marriage either. Does that mean that Ron Paul isn't even part of the liberty movement?
Last edited by Brett85; 09-25-2015 at 08:38 PM.
...(help me out folks...how do i get william tell off my back?...i mean i can hardly express an honest, validated opinion on THE RON PAUL FORUMS without getting a red mark from this obviously naive, tongue-clucking republicrat...
...WILLIAM, i bet it's your diet!...more fresh veggies, fruit, good water, exercise, good humor and positive thinking!!...much less msg, aspartame, republicrattery, ludwiggery, neg-repping of panqui, etc..
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
Of course we can be opposed to same-sex marriage. Some of us, from a postion of religious conviction, do not think the federal government should be defining marriage, or determining eligibility. To be quite honest, government discourages marriage between poor people because the government only benefits when someone with assets dies.
People who want marriage *equality* will find out it's not so great at tax time, when one of them dies, or when they decide they don't want to be married any more.
#NashvilleStrong
“I’m a doctor. That’s a baby.”~~~Dr. Manny Sethi
Sure, and that's the position that Chuck takes as well. But the person I was responding to made it sound like you can't be a libertarian if you don't support state sponsored gay marriage. He criticized Chuck Baldwin and others like him for not supporting state sponsored gay marriage. So I was just responding to his comment which seemed way off base.
Kade, that's easy: liberty is a gift from God (not from nature, human rulers, nor human institutions), and since God created man and woman, after His own likeness and image, to complement each other in marriage, He has the supreme authority to regulate what their sexual behavior ought to be, towards that end. Marriage is a gift from God, and we use liberty to marry whom we want without coercion nor authorization by those who wish to supplant God's sovereignty (like our current state and federal governments).
"Then David said to the Philistine, 'You come to me with a sword, a spear, and a javelin, but I come to you in the name of Yahweh of hosts, the God of the battle lines of Israel, Whom you have reproached.'" - 1 Samuel 17:45
"May future generations look back on our work and say that these were men and women who, in moment of great crisis, stood up to their politicians, the opinion-makers, and the Establishment, and saved their country." - Dr. Ron Paul
Is this what you actually believe? It is convenient for the religious to go immediately to the "they won't like it' argument, or far worse, an appeal to consequences fallacy. While the government is, in fact, defining marriage, equality is a must. That is all that matters. The laundry list of benefits that are unfairly denied include such things as estate inheritance, family partnership filing, veteran's and military benefits, medical decisions, employment (family leave, bereavement, worker's comp, etc), adoption or foster rights, family zoning housing, and a litany of rights associated with the "right to sue" (wrongful death, communications privileges, etc).
Please spare us the weeping heart. At least have the fortitude to admit that you are opposed to for religious reasons, and that it is a pure example of being unable to tolerate 'freedom for the rest'.
When all things are fair, and these things are outside the government, then you can, by all means, go on being against your church supporting whatever partnerships it wants...
"The essence of the Liberal outlook lies not in what opinions are held, but in how they are held: instead of being held dogmatically, they are held tentatively, and with a consciousness that new evidence may at any moment lead to their abandonment."
-Bertrand Russell
I received positive rep for extreme sarcasm from a person who thought I was serious ... please look up Poe's Law
"The essence of the Liberal outlook lies not in what opinions are held, but in how they are held: instead of being held dogmatically, they are held tentatively, and with a consciousness that new evidence may at any moment lead to their abandonment."
-Bertrand Russell
I received positive rep for extreme sarcasm from a person who thought I was serious ... please look up Poe's Law
sola fide writes: Huh? He was talking about God, not himself.
(sola fide, i believe you can be forced to admit/acknowledge that "god" (one letter away from 'good') is a VERY personal, individual concept... so when chuck or you or anyone else is invoking 'god' you are doing so in your own unique interpretation...affected by your VERY personal, individual experiences, prejudices, ignorance, insight, fears, hopes, etc. ad gd nauseam...so chuck and ?you and every other bible, torah, koran, etc. ad gd nauseam, thumpers are always ALWAYS talking about yourselves when you are 'talking about "god"'...
...kade has exposed the constipated republicrats so clearly even i, the great panqui, will find it hard to add anything of value..but, of course, i'll try...
Last edited by H. E. Panqui; 09-28-2015 at 10:49 AM.
The government shouldn't regulate marriage period as long as it is between consenting adults.
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