Sharia Law = Bye Bye Democracy / Freedom Of Religion = The Destruction Of Democracy!

[David Jeffrey Spetch]

Sharia law = bye bye democracy and hello to being stoned to death for not being Muslim!!! Freedom of religion = the destruction of democracy!

Thousands of years of war and divide leading to the death of millions if not billions of people over factually proven foundations of religious lies along with the factual evidence that proves that the foundation of every religion is based upon lies is the most genuine reason to rid the world of religion for the well being of the future of the life on this planet. The factual evidence proving that the foundation of every religion is based upon lies is quite simply as follows. First the foundation of a religion is some ridiculous story about how we / everything came to be. If it is not based upon some ridiculous story of how we / everything came to be then it is not a religion. I notice that the religious in days of now attempt to call everything a religion in attempt to fail safe their lies buried in a manifest of yet more lies and deceptions by attempting to try and drag everyone else / everything else down to the level of their religion in attempt to use to give a false sense of justification for following any religion.

Many religious for example are those who claim that this lie that they refer to as god is the creator of everything. They also claim that it has intelligence hence they pray to / worship this lie. Yet the fact remains that not anything goes poof into existence out of nothingness. Not anything can develop and intelligence out of nothingness let alone make anything go poof into existence out of nothingness because the fact remains that it takes energy matter an time to re create energy and matter. Otherwise just share even just one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness. You / no one ever will share one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness which proves that even the most remote possibility of there be a god does not exist! Not anything that exists goes poof into nothingness and not anything goes poof into existence out of nothingness because the fact remains that it takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter. Everything always was, is and always will be enduring an endless duration of constant change and the simple factual evidence which proves it is the fact that it takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter.

If you are religious and you want to exemplify that you value life more than you value already "factually proven" foundations of religious lies, then simply throw your religion in the garbage where every religion belongs and walk away from religion for good.

It kinds of infuriates me towards what this forum is called "Peace through Religion"

Deliberate ignorance or living in a bubble equals peace according to whom?

love

Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist
David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. Be good, be strong!
Hamilton Ontario Canada

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/20/politi...resident-2016/

[Jamesiv1]

Too bad you weren't home-schooled.

[tod evans]

If you are religious and you want to exemplify that you value life more than you value already "factually proven" foundations of religious lies, then simply throw your religion in the garbage where every religion belongs and walk away from religion for good.

It kinds of infuriates me towards what this forum is called "Peace through Religion"

Well that sure sounds peaceful.......

You'll fit right in with some of the folks who like to tell others how their religious beliefs don't pass muster...

[acptulsa]

Too bad you weren't home-schooled.

Nonsense.

If someone had taught him what punctuation was, he still wouldn't make any sense or accomplish anything useful. But he wouldn't be amusing, either.

[erowe1]

Thousands of years of war and divide leading to the death of millions if not billions of people over factually proven foundations of religious lies along with the factual evidence that proves that the foundation of every religion is based upon lies is the most genuine reason to rid the world of religion for the well being of the future of the life on this planet. The factual evidence proving that the foundation of every religion is based upon lies is quite simply as follows. First the foundation of a religion is some ridiculous story about how we / everything came to be. If it is not based upon some ridiculous story of how we / everything came to be then it is not a religion. I notice that the religious in days of now attempt to call everything a religion in attempt to fail safe their lies buried in a manifest of yet more lies and deceptions by attempting to try and drag everyone else / everything else down to the level of their religion in attempt to use to give a false sense of justification for following any religion.

What about your own religion, whatever that may be? You must not consider it ridiculous, or else you wouldn't believe in it.

Everything always was, is and always will be enduring an endless duration of constant change and the simple factual evidence which proves it is the fact that it takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter.

So you don't accept the 2nd law of thermodynamics?

Also, the thread title mentioned Sharia law. Did you mean to bring that up at some point?

[Ronin Truth]

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." -- Winston Churchill

"Democracy is the road to socialism." -- Karl Marx

"Democracy is indispensable to socialism." -- Vladimir Lenin

"The goal of socialism is communism." -- Vladimir Lenin

[OReich]

Not every religion is the same, and not every believer is the same. In Western society, we keep our religion to ourselves, and we follow the principle that its separate from politics. (We don't follow church-state separation perfectly, but its still a huge principle that we follow, and its a successful check on religious extremism.) You imply that religion in general leads to violence, but this isn't true. Jesus didn't call for violence (although Catholicism specifically did), Hinduism and Buddhism never called for violence. Judaism, Islam and Catholicism however (along with other religious ideologies) were political philosophies, but Judaism and Catholicism dropped their statist nature. Just like we shouldn't label "atheism" or physics to be religions (since they're based on evidence and logic, whereas religion is based on doctrine and unconditional faith), we also shouldn't pretend every religion calls for violence and leads to violence. Those two Buddhist suicide bombers? They prove that any group of ppl, religious or ethnic or w/e, can turn to murder in "defense" of their ppl, but those two Buddhists weren't following some Buddhist teaching, they were just evil human beings who were Buddhist. Just like if a Muslim kills someone out of anger, its not because of Islam. If they kill an infidel over religion, like Islamic extremists or Sharia law governments (well, they're both Islamic extremists obviously), then its Islam. We don't need to pretend every ideology is the same to prove we're tolerant. Its actually intolerant to pretend that every theist is automatically subscribing to some violent, bigoted ideology, just look at Buddhism and Hinduism.

I know you're tempted by your liberal friends to label all religions violent, so they don't call you a bigot for complaining about Sharia law and Islamic bigotry, but you're just caving in to leftist bigotry, and you're hurting your own cause. You can't successfully tackle the problem of Islamic bigotry if you purposely name every other religion as a culprit, because then you're not talking about the problem itself. Talk about Sharia itself, and specifically the (hundreds of millions of) Muslims who believe in it. No need to badmouth Hindus by pretending their religion promotes violence. Radical Muslims are emulating Muhammad's words and actions; violent Buddhists and Hindus are just $#@!s who happen to be Buddhists or Hindus.

[David Jeffrey Spetch]

Well that sure sounds peaceful.......

You'll fit right in with some of the folks who like to tell others how their religious beliefs don't pass muster...

I have just demonstrate the very factual evidence that proves that the foundation of every religion is based upon lies thus proving that religious so called beliefs are false.

I don't see you or anyone else here sharing one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness.

The destruction of factually proven foundation of religious lies which have lead to the death of millions if not billions of people over thousands of years of war and divide = peace.

love

Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist
David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. Be good, be strong!
Hamilton Ontario Canada

[David Jeffrey Spetch]

Too bad you weren't home-schooled.

Nonsense.

If someone had taught him what punctuation was, he still wouldn't make any sense or accomplish anything useful. But he wouldn't be amusing, either.

First of all, a thousand years before some guy chipped out of stone what they call the ten commandments, would you want your family murdered, you wife cheating on you, your possessions stolen?!!

The religious steal from everything and attempt to try and attribute what they steal to their factually proven foundation of religious lies to aid the selfish and the greedy in taking advantage of those from a time of weakness for power and control over the many.



and I see someone else desperately scrambling to try and make their standards of grammar the issue when I never even claimed to profess their standards of grammar to begin with.

Again acptulsa I don't see you or anyone else here sharing one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness.

love

Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist
David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. Be good, be strong!
Hamilton Ontario Canada

[David Jeffrey Spetch]

What about your own religion, whatever that may be? You must not consider it ridiculous, or else you wouldn't believe in it.

So you don't accept the 2nd law of thermodynamics?

Also, the thread title mentioned Sharia law. Did you mean to bring that up at some point?

I am not religious period no matter how desperate you may be to try and drag me down to the level of the religious. Believing in my own abilities most certainly isn't a religion. I factually exist, my abilities factually exist but the extent of my abilities are yet to be proven. A reasonable belief.

First the foundation of a religion is some ridiculous story about how we / everything came to be. If it is not based upon some ridiculous story of how we / everything came to be then it is not a religion. I notice that the religious in days of now attempt to call everything a religion in attempt to fail safe their lies buried in a manifest of yet more lies and deceptions by attempting to try and drag everyone else / everything else down to the level of their religion in attempt to use to give a false sense of justification for following any religion.

Thermodynamics or anything else (any other form of energy and matter), again I don't see you or anyone else here sharing one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness. I don't see you or anyone else sharing one factual example of anything that exists going poof from existence into nothingness either. Not anything disappears, it is transformed because the fact remains that it takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter.

The title speaks for itself as far as sharia law goes.

love

Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist
David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. Be good, be strong!
Hamilton Ontario Canada

[Dr.3D]

Sounds like somebody is religiously anti religion.

[David Jeffrey Spetch]

Not every religion is the same, and not every believer is the same. In Western society, we keep our religion to ourselves, and we follow the principle that its separate from politics. (We don't follow church-state separation perfectly, but its still a huge principle that we follow, and its a successful check on religious extremism.) You imply that religion in general leads to violence, but this isn't true. Jesus didn't call for violence (although Catholicism specifically did), Hinduism and Buddhism never called for violence. Judaism, Islam and Catholicism however (along with other religious ideologies) were political philosophies, but Judaism and Catholicism dropped their statist nature. Just like we shouldn't label "atheism" or physics to be religions (since they're based on evidence and logic, whereas religion is based on doctrine and unconditional faith), we also shouldn't pretend every religion calls for violence and leads to violence. Those two Buddhist suicide bombers? They prove that any group of ppl, religious or ethnic or w/e, can turn to murder in "defense" of their ppl, but those two Buddhists weren't following some Buddhist teaching, they were just evil human beings who were Buddhist. Just like if a Muslim kills someone out of anger, its not because of Islam. If they kill an infidel over religion, like Islamic extremists or Sharia law governments (well, they're both Islamic extremists obviously), then its Islam. We don't need to pretend every ideology is the same to prove we're tolerant. Its actually intolerant to pretend that every theist is automatically subscribing to some violent, bigoted ideology, just look at Buddhism and Hinduism.

I know you're tempted by your liberal friends to label all religions violent, so they don't call you a bigot for complaining about Sharia law and Islamic bigotry, but you're just caving in to leftist bigotry, and you're hurting your own cause. You can't successfully tackle the problem of Islamic bigotry if you purposely name every other religion as a culprit, because then you're not talking about the problem itself. Talk about Sharia itself, and specifically the (hundreds of millions of) Muslims who believe in it. No need to badmouth Hindus by pretending their religion promotes violence. Radical Muslims are emulating Muhammad's words and actions; violent Buddhists and Hindus are just $#@!s who happen to be Buddhists or Hindus.

Every religion is based upon a factually proven foundation of lies which have lead to thousands of years of war and divide and to the death of millions if not billions of people over pathetic filthy lies.

No religion is better than any other, and for you to even suggest such is a part of what leads to war and divide over such filthy following of factually proven foundations of religious lies.

Jesus Christ was one of the most selfish greedy liars and deceivers who ever lived, who's lies not only lead to his own death but lead millions if not billions to their death over thousands of years of factually proven foundations of religious lies.

How much more greedy or selfish can anyone get than to claim to be a god / son of a god of which is factually proven not to exist?!!

Again, I don't see you or anyone else here sharing one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness.



love

Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist
David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. Be good, be strong!
Hamilton Ontario Canada

[David Jeffrey Spetch]

Sounds like somebody is religiously anti religion.

Not at all, but very dedicated to ending following of filthy foundations of factually proven religious lies which have lead to the death of millions if not billions of people over thousands of years of war and divide.

I dedicate the good fight to the well being of the future of the life on this planet.

love

Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist
David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. Be good, be strong!
Hamilton Ontario Canada

[LibertyEagle]

Not at all, but very dedicated to ending following of filthy foundations of factually proven religious lies which have lead to the death of millions if not billions of people over thousands of years of war and divide.

I dedicate the good fight to the well being of the future of the life on this planet.

love

Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist
David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. Be good, be strong!
Hamilton Ontario Canada

Where's the proof, Mr. secular humanist?

Check this out: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post5350842

[tod evans]

I have just demonstrate the very factual evidence that proves that the foundation of every religion is based upon lies thus proving that religious so called beliefs are false.

I don't see you or anyone else here sharing one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness.

The destruction of factually proven foundation of religious lies which have lead to the death of millions if not billions of people over thousands of years of war and divide = peace.

Google has translation services that make writing in English easier...

That said, I didn't even try to discuss religion with you, and I won't.

Your behavior though is just as offensive as some of the zealots, probably more so due to poor sentence structure.

[Occam's Banana]

You'll fit right in with some of the folks who like to tell others how their religious beliefs don't pass muster...

Oh, we have GOT to get this guy together with Christopher A. Brown ...

Mr. Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist vs. Mr. Ultimate Purpose For Enabling Unity Adequate To Alter Or Abolish

(We might finally find an answer to that age-old question, "What happens when an Irresistible Crackpot meets an Immovable Nutball?")

[erowe1]

I am not religious period no matter how desperate you may be to try and drag me down to the level of the religious. Believing in my own abilities most certainly isn't a religion. I factually exist, my abilities factually exist but the extent of my abilities are yet to be proven. A reasonable belief.

You believe other things too. From what you just said, you apparently believe in such a thing as reason, and principles by which reasonableness can be measured, which are knowable and known to you. Do you also believe in such a thing as moral right and wrong? Whatever your answer to this question is, it must be something, and as it is a religious question your answer will be a religious answer. Do you believe God exists? Again, whatever your answer is, it's a religious answer.

First the foundation of a religion is some ridiculous story about how we / everything came to be.

Good point. Add that to the list of religious questions. What's your answer? What do you believe about how everything came to be?

Thermodynamics or anything else (any other form of energy and matter), again I don't see you or anyone else here sharing one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness.

Just to be clear, since you are dancing around the question, you really don't accept the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Correct?

[LibForestPaul]

Not every religion is the same, and not every believer is the same. In Western society, we keep our religion to ourselves, and we follow the principle that its separate from politics. (We don't follow church-state separation perfectly, but its still a huge principle that we follow, and its a successful check on religious extremism.) You imply that religion in general leads to violence, but this isn't true. Jesus didn't call for violence (although Catholicism specifically did), Hinduism and Buddhism never called for violence. Judaism, Islam and Catholicism however (along with other religious ideologies) were political philosophies, but Judaism and Catholicism dropped their statist nature. Just like we shouldn't label "atheism" or physics to be religions (since they're based on evidence and logic, whereas religion is based on doctrine and unconditional faith), we also shouldn't pretend every religion calls for violence and leads to violence. Those two Buddhist suicide bombers? They prove that any group of ppl, religious or ethnic or w/e, can turn to murder in "defense" of their ppl, but those two Buddhists weren't following some Buddhist teaching, they were just evil human beings who were Buddhist. Just like if a Muslim kills someone out of anger, its not because of Islam. If they kill an infidel over religion, like Islamic extremists or Sharia law governments (well, they're both Islamic extremists obviously), then its Islam. We don't need to pretend every ideology is the same to prove we're tolerant. Its actually intolerant to pretend that every theist is automatically subscribing to some violent, bigoted ideology, just look at Buddhism and Hinduism.

I know you're tempted by your liberal friends to label all religions violent, so they don't call you a bigot for complaining about Sharia law and Islamic bigotry, but you're just caving in to leftist bigotry, and you're hurting your own cause. You can't successfully tackle the problem of Islamic bigotry if you purposely name every other religion as a culprit, because then you're not talking about the problem itself. Talk about Sharia itself, and specifically the (hundreds of millions of) Muslims who believe in it. No need to badmouth Hindus by pretending their religion promotes violence. Radical Muslims are emulating Muhammad's words and actions; violent Buddhists and Hindus are just $#@!s who happen to be Buddhists or Hindus.

Don't spew falsehoods here. I've seen the Bible, I've read the violence. Religions are ego fodder for the mind.

[Dr.3D]

Not at all, but very dedicated to ending following of filthy foundations of factually proven religious lies which have lead to the death of millions if not billions of people over thousands of years of war and divide.

I dedicate the good fight to the well being of the future of the life on this planet.

love

Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist
David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. Be good, be strong!
Hamilton Ontario Canada

You wouldn't be writing this if you didn't believe you own religion was better than others.

[David Jeffrey Spetch]

Don't spew falsehoods here. I've seen the Bible, I've read the violence. Religions are ego fodder for the mind.

Well said

Ignorance is religions only defence. It's no secret, you know it all so well

Where's the proof, Mr. secular humanist?

Check this out: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post5350842

Jesus Christ being crucified is one example of proof which was mentioned right here on this very thread that you so obviously choose to ignore. Then the Roman Empire and how many died there, or the holocaust (as well before and after), how many died there?

(Take a look for example at what happened between the Muslims and the Jewish people in the Middle East of which they are still fighting. But at one time the Jewish had to leave Israel or the Muslims were going to make them extinct. Who was nice enough to give them refuge until getting fed up with their religious rhetoric? Germany did. But because the Jewish people valued religious lies more than they valued human life, they were not only evicted from Israel, but they were also evicted from Germany only no other country wanted their religion plaguing their country so Germany got so fed up with them and the world around them for no one else offering to take them, that the holocaust began and all because Jewish people valued religious lies more than they valued human life they had to suffer being imprisoned in camps. Since no one else would take them because no one else wanted a mass number imposing their religious lies in their country, the world decided to be humanitarian and take back Israel so they could take their religious lies back over there where they are back at war with the Muslims.)

Google has translation services that make writing in English easier...

That said, I didn't even try to discuss religion with you, and I won't.

Your behavior though is just as offensive as some of the zealots, probably more so due to poor sentence structure.

Oh so you pride yourself on deliberate ignorance, such is the way of the religious.

I bet you want someone to hold your hand while you pee as well.

"I have just demonstrate(d) the very factual evidence that proves that the foundation of every religion is based upon lies thus proving that religious so called beliefs are false."

I can't help that your brain is way too small to realize a simple oversight and fill it in all by yourself such as the letter in brackets. Cry me a river.

The reason you cower from addressing the foundation of this issue is because as I previously shared and you yourself quoted

"I don't see you or anyone else here sharing one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness."

because you, like everyone else on the planet are not able to share one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness, you choose to bury your head in the mud as you yourself so openly demonstrate within that very response.

Thanks for making this so very enjoyable for me to point out, and it is no secret that ignorance is religions only defence.

Oh, we have GOT to get this guy together with Christopher A. Brown ...

Mr. Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist vs. Mr. Ultimate Purpose For Enabling Unity Adequate To Alter Or Abolish

(We might finally find an answer to that age-old question, "What happens when an Irresistible Crackpot meets an Immovable Nutball?")

Thanks for sharing yet another fine example of deliberate ignorance as once again you fail to share even just one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness yet demonstrate to be so very desperate to try and make your delusions the issue.

You believe other things too. From what you just said, you apparently believe in such a thing as reason, and principles by which reasonableness can be measured, which are knowable and known to you. Do you also believe in such a thing as moral right and wrong? Whatever your answer to this question is, it must be something, and as it is a religious question your answer will be a religious answer. Do you believe God exists? Again, whatever your answer is, it's a religious answer.

Good point. Add that to the list of religious questions. What's your answer? What do you believe about how everything came to be?

Just to be clear, since you are dancing around the question, you really don't accept the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Correct?

I believe in my ability to continue to share the factual evidence which has already so very easily proven that the foundation of every religion is based upon lies.

Facts are not believed, they are not agreed upon, they are either recognized or ignored. Truth is the garbage that crumbles when pit vs. fact every time. Beliefs and theories etc. are either falsified or verified by fact.

I don't claim to believe in that which as already so very easily been factually proven as false. Also , not what I claim I believe but the factual evidence I share that proves how everything came into it's present form of which you obviously deliberately ignored.

"Many religious for example are those who claim that this lie that they refer to as god is the creator of everything. They also claim that it has intelligence hence they pray to / worship this lie. Yet the fact remains that not anything goes poof into existence out of nothingness. Not anything can develop and intelligence out of nothingness let alone make anything go poof into existence out of nothingness because the fact remains that it takes energy matter an time to re create energy and matter. Otherwise just share even just one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness. You / no one ever will share one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness which proves that even the most remote possibility of there be a god does not exist! Not anything that exists goes poof into nothingness and not anything goes poof into existence out of nothingness because the fact remains that it takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter. Everything always was, is and always will be enduring an endless duration of constant change and the simple factual evidence which proves it is the fact that it takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter."

Because you are unable to share even just one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness, here you are desperately scrambling to try and make your delusions along with your deliberate ignorance the issue.

Regarding your spew on thermal dynamics, it is irrelevant and simply because it is not a factual example of anything that exists going poof into nothingness.

Child's play. What is this romper room? I mean this is just sad, I'm so tired I can barely keep my eyes open and this was a cinch to breeze through with the greatest of ease.

Oh if I left any typos, they make for great bait for the religious who practice deliberate ignorance to make them selves known in the most obvious of ways aka the knit pickers.

love

Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist
David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. Be good, be strong!
Hamilton Ontario Canada

[Occam's Banana]

Thanks for sharing yet another fine example of deliberate ignorance as once again you fail to share even just one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness yet demonstrate to be so very desperate to try and make your delusions the issue.

Yeah, sure, okay. If you say so. (Who am I to argue with such earnest incoherence?)

I'm curious about something else, though. Are you accountable? Are you a SiNcErE CaNaDiAn?

If you are, are other accountable and SiNcErE CaNaDiAnS as obsessed with things going poof as you are?

Oh if I left any typos, they make for great bait for the religious who practice deliberate ignorance to make them selves known in the most obvious of ways aka the knit pickers.

That should be "nit pickers," not "knit pickers" ...

[RJB]

BTW, are you a sincere American too?

[OReich]

Every religion is based upon a factually proven foundation of lies which have lead to thousands of years of war and divide and to the death of millions if not billions of people over pathetic filthy lies.

No religion is better than any other, and for you to even suggest such is a part of what leads to war and divide over such filthy following of factually proven foundations of religious lies.

Jesus Christ was one of the most selfish greedy liars and deceivers who ever lived, who's lies not only lead to his own death but lead millions if not billions to their death over thousands of years of factually proven foundations of religious lies.

First of all, you can't show that Buddhism or Hinduism or that guy next door who preys to his made up peaceful G-d leads to the deaths of millions if not billions. Furthermore, you can't show that anything Jesus said or did led to violence (to my knowledge, I'm not totally sure about this). You can find nasty, nasty stuff in Old Testament/Torah (and I'm a proud atheist "Jew," but I can't complain about a billion Muslims trying to kill me if I don't concede that the Torah is literally just as disgusting as the Quran), but I'm pretty sure you can't find nasty stuff in the New Testament or from Jesus' lips. And I'm pretty sure Jesus never said he was the messiah or the son of G-d (and being the messiah doesn't necessarily make him the center of the universe; Muslims think Jesus is the messiah, but its like saying he was a really important angel who delivered a super-important telegram, they don't think he's nearly as important as Muhammad, in fact they think the messiah Jesus was mistaken in what he heard from G-d).

Again, you cannot show that Buddhism and Hinduism cause violence, you're insisting that all religion (and thus spirituality, which is the exact same thing) encourages violence based on zero evidence. Buddhism and Hinduism do not lead to violence. You have a false narrative based solely on your own insistence, based on zero evidence, which is kind of like a religion (but its not because what you're saying is at least physically possible). You even blame secular Jews in Germany for the Holocaust, saying they sought to impose their values on others, when they were assimilated secularists who were practically Jewish in name only. But, because you presuppose that religion is the problem, you act like what the Nazis did was based on something the Jews did to them.

Lol I love how you say that just by SUGGESTING that religions don't ALWAYS lead to genocide (I bitch and moan about Islamic genocide all day everyday), I therefore am causing all that violence. And then you suggest that secular Jews in Germany were responsible for what happened to them, because they were trying to force their lies onto ppl. Again, this is a false narrative, your beliefs are not based on facts. The catholic crusades, the Islamic conquests, that's religion (though even there you can make an argument that religion was the excuse for empire-building); Buddhists meditating or w/e, that's not causing anyone problems.

Oh yeah, and you brought up Jesus' crucifixion as an example of violence in the Bible. No $#@!. They didn't CELEBRATE it, they didn't actually encourage or glorify it, they talk about it as a bad thing. (And if it was good because it was necessary, it still doesn't encourage future violence.)

Again, you cannot adequately complain about the evils of radical Islam if you dilute your argument by saying Buddhists are the same, or by saying my next door neighbor is the same because he's a hippie who prays to some made up peaceful spirit that only he believes it.

[David Jeffrey Spetch]

Notice that not one person here has shared even just one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness, because not one of them is able to contest with even so much as a shred of validity the factual evidence which proves that the foundation of every religion is based upon lies and nor has one person contested with so much as a shred of validity the fact that religion has lead to thousands of years of war and divide and to the death of millions if not billions of people over factually proven foundations of religious lies.

Instead notice how they desperately scramble to try and make anything else the issue and quite simply because ignorance is religions only defence as the religious quite obviously value lies more than they value human lives.

Well I'm going back to bed yawn.

love

Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist
David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. Be good, be strong!
Hamilton Ontario Canada

[OReich]

Notice that not one person here has shared even just one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness, because not one of them is able to contest with even so much as a shred of validity the factual evidence which proves that the foundation of every religion is based upon lies and nor has one person contested with so much as a shred of validity the fact that religion has lead to thousands of years of war and divide and to the death of millions if not billions of people over factually proven foundations of religious lies.

Instead notice how they desperately scramble to try and make anything else the issue and quite simply because ignorance is religions only defence as the religious quite obviously value lies more than they value human lives.

Well I'm going back to bed yawn.

love

Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist
David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. Be good, be strong!
Hamilton Ontario Canada

So by ignoring my post, and ceasing to state that ALL RELIGIONS lead to violence, I take it that you're dropping your argument that ALL RELIGIONS lead to violence? You're no longer saying that Buddhism and Hinduism are responsible for the deaths of millions?

And are you also dropping your implicit argument that Jesus is responsible for the deaths of millions, when he never called for killing anyone? If someone were to kill based on what you're saying here, would that make you responsible? I'm not even a Christian, but I'm too pissed about radical Islam to fall for this bull$#@! that every religion is the same, its not. Wanna know why Sharia law and Islamic violence are the best examples you have of modern religious violence and genocide? Because Muhammad himself called on Muslims to fight the infidels until they convert ("submit"; submission = Islam), pay the Jizya security tax for infidels, or die. Convert, jizya or die. That's not a natural outcome of spirituality or theism. That's the Quran.

[Eagles' Wings]

Notice that not one person here has shared even just one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness, because not one of them is able to contest with even so much as a shred of validity the factual evidence which proves that the foundation of every religion is based upon lies and nor has one person contested with so much as a shred of validity the fact that religion has lead to thousands of years of war and divide and to the death of millions if not billions of people over factually proven foundations of religious lies.

Instead notice how they desperately scramble to try and make anything else the issue and quite simply because ignorance is religions only defence as the religious quite obviously value lies more than they value human lives.

Well I'm going back to bed yawn.

love

Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist
David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. Be good, be strong!
Hamilton Ontario Canada

David, have you read the entire Old and New Testament, and if so, what do you think it is about? If you're interested I will post a very short video that answers this question, and most certainly from a Christian's point of view. If you'd rather not answer, then sleep well.

[David Jeffrey Spetch]

Thanks for demonstrating once again that the religious are deliberately ignorant. No matter people desperately scrambling to try and make their delusions the issue by attempting to force their words into my mouth Hinduism / Buddhism, my words are religion has lead to the death of millions if not billions of people over thousands of years of war and divide and this you are unable to contest with so much as a shred of validity and since you are so pathetic to try and force words into my mouth while practising deliberate ignorance as you desperately scramble to try and make your delusions the issue.

Sri Lanka Hinduism / Buddhism war and divide:

http://politicalviolenceataglance.or...-in-sri-lanka/

India Hinduism war and divide:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religi...lence_in_India

China Buddhism warn and divide

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...03627116,d.cWw

Even if a religion was started today (which would be absolutely disgusting) it still does not contest with even so much as a shred of validity the fact that religion has lead to thousands of years of war and divide and to the death of millions if not billions of people. It still does not contest with so much as a shred of validity the factual evidence which proves that the foundation of every religion is based upon lies!

All this mention of Hinduism and Buddhism demonstrates is how far the religious are willing to go to try and make their delusions the issue, how much they really don't care that a factually proven foundations of religious lies have lead to the death of millions if not billions of people over thousands of years. It only demonstrates that it is more important to the religious to value lies more than they value human lives! They are obviously too ignorant to even care to understand that attempting to try and justify one religion, that they are inspiring all other factually proven foundations of religious lies which have lead to the death of millions if not billions of people over thousands of years

Every religion is based upon a factually proven foundation of lies of which religious lies have lead to the death of millions if not billions of people over thousands of years and that is also no matter what garbage is written in any pathetic filthy testament!

Many religious for example are those who claim that this lie that they refer to as god is the creator of everything. They also claim that it has intelligence hence they pray to / worship this lie. Yet the fact remains that not anything goes poof into existence out of nothingness. Not anything can develop and intelligence out of nothingness let alone make anything go poof into existence out of nothingness because the fact remains that it takes energy matter an time to re create energy and matter. Otherwise just share even just one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness. You / no one ever will share one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness which proves that even the most remote possibility of there be a god does not exist! Not anything that exists goes poof into nothingness and not anything goes poof into existence out of nothingness because the fact remains that it takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter. Everything always was, is and always will be enduring an endless duration of constant change and the simple factual evidence which proves it is the fact that it takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter.

The only place every religion belongs is in the garbage pail for the well being of the future of the life on this planet because human life is worth more than religious lies! One human life is worth far more than every religion that ever existed!

Are you claiming that your factually proven foundation of religious lies is worth more than human lives? Are you really that selfish greedy and ignorant?!!! Wake up people, it's time to start valuing human life more than you value lies. Future and current as well as did past generations deserve far better than to have filthy disgusting lies bestowed upon them which have already lead to the death of millions if not billions over thousands of years of war and divide no matter how desperate any religious person is to try and make their deliberate ignorance towards what fact reveals the issue!

"If you are religious and you want to exemplify that you value life more than you value already "factually proven" foundations of religious lies, then simply throw your religion in the garbage where every religion belongs and walk away from religion for good"

Join me in the good fight for the well being of the future of the life on this planet.

Thanks for encouraging me to waste my valuable time on your deliberate ignorance while trying to make such garbage as making Hinduism or Buddhism or what irrelevant rhetoric is written in some testament the issue!

What can I say, ignorance infuriates me as actions of some disgust me but thanks for a least sending your regards that I sleep well of which I sure could go for more sleep.

and what's this losing 13 points in fame rhetoric on this forum when not one person has contested me with so much as a shred of validity?!!

love

Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist
David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. Be good, be strong!
Hamilton Ontario Canada

[OReich]

Thanks for demonstrating once again that the religious are deliberately ignorant. No matter people desperately scrambling to try and make their delusions the issue by attempting to force their words into my mouth Hinduism / Buddhism, my words are religion has lead to the death of millions if not billions of people over thousands of years of war and divide and this you are unable to contest with so much as a shred of validity and since you are so pathetic to try and force words into my mouth while practising deliberate ignorance as you desperately scramble to try and make your delusions the issue.

Sri Lanka Hinduism / Buddhism war and divide:

http://politicalviolenceataglance.or...-in-sri-lanka/

India Hinduism war and divide:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religi...lence_in_India

China Buddhism warn and divide

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...03627116,d.cWw

Even if a religion was started today (which would be absolutely disgusting) it still does not contest with even so much as a shred of validity the fact that religion has lead to thousands of years of war and divide and to the death of millions if not billions of people. It still does not contest with so much as a shred of validity the factual evidence which proves that the foundation of every religion is based upon lies!

All this mention of Hinduism and Buddhism demonstrates is how far the religious are willing to go to try and make their delusions the issue, how much they really don't care that a factually proven foundations of religious lies have lead to the death of millions if not billions of people over thousands of years. It only demonstrates that it is more important to the religious to value lies more than they value human lives! They are obviously too ignorant to even care to understand that attempting to try and justify one religion, that they are inspiring all other factually proven foundations of religious lies which have lead to the death of millions if not billions of people over thousands of years

Every religion is based upon a factually proven foundation of lies of which religious lies have lead to the death of millions if not billions of people over thousands of years and that is also no matter what garbage is written in any pathetic filthy testament!

Many religious for example are those who claim that this lie that they refer to as god is the creator of everything. They also claim that it has intelligence hence they pray to / worship this lie. Yet the fact remains that not anything goes poof into existence out of nothingness. Not anything can develop and intelligence out of nothingness let alone make anything go poof into existence out of nothingness because the fact remains that it takes energy matter an time to re create energy and matter. Otherwise just share even just one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness. You / no one ever will share one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness which proves that even the most remote possibility of there be a god does not exist! Not anything that exists goes poof into nothingness and not anything goes poof into existence out of nothingness because the fact remains that it takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter. Everything always was, is and always will be enduring an endless duration of constant change and the simple factual evidence which proves it is the fact that it takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter.

The only place every religion belongs is in the garbage pail for the well being of the future of the life on this planet because human life is worth more than religious lies! One human life is worth far more than every religion that ever existed!

Are you claiming that your factually proven foundation of religious lies is worth more than human lives? Are you really that selfish greedy and ignorant?!!! Wake up people, it's time to start valuing human life more than you value lies. Future and current as well as did past generations deserve far better than to have filthy disgusting lies bestowed upon them which have already lead to the death of millions if not billions over thousands of years of war and divide no matter how desperate any religious person is to try and make their deliberate ignorance towards what fact reveals the issue!

"If you are religious and you want to exemplify that you value life more than you value already "factually proven" foundations of religious lies, then simply throw your religion in the garbage where every religion belongs and walk away from religion for good"

Join me in the good fight for the well being of the future of the life on this planet.

Thanks for encouraging me to waste my valuable time on your deliberate ignorance while trying to make such garbage as making Hinduism or Buddhism or what irrelevant rhetoric is written in some testament the issue!

What can I say, ignorance infuriates me as actions of some disgust me but thanks for a least sending your regards that I sleep well of which I sure could go for more sleep.

and what's this losing 13 points in fame rhetoric on this forum when not one person has contested me with so much as a shred of validity?!!

love

Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist
David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. Be good, be strong!
Hamilton Ontario Canada

No, I did not put words into your mouth by bringing up Buddhism and Hinduism, you explicitly blamed ALL religions:

Every religion is based upon a factually proven foundation of lies which have lead to thousands of years of war and divide and to the death of millions if not billions of people over pathetic filthy lies.

No religion is better than any other, and for you to even suggest such is a part of what leads to war and divide over such filthy following of factually proven foundations of religious lies.a

Second, you state that I'm grasping for straws to justify my religious beliefs when bringing up Buddhism/Hinduism (I'm the only person in this thread mentioning those two faiths). Nope. You're putting words into my mouth. I'm an atheist, and I said this already. You need to call me a theist to discredit my argument as being pure bias (which still doesn't refute my actual argument anyway), but that's ridiculous. I'm not a theist, but I'm also not someone who will pretend that Buddhism, Hinduism or the New Testament promote violence because they DO NOT.

Your links about Sri Lanka and India both deal with backlashes against Muslim violence. I'm not justifying the persecution of Muslims in those countries at all, but to claim that its "religious" to persecute a religious group is ridiculous and absurd. That's pure victim-blaming, just like when you said the Holocaust was in response to "Jewish lies" and Jewish attempts to manipulate Germany, its victim-blaming. Like I said before, evil Buddhists/Hindus/Christians does not show that Buddhism, Hinduism or the New Testament promote violence; in fact, those three sources/ideologies condemn violence more strongly than you do. I could also list atheist serial killers, would that show that atheism promotes violence? If you show religious sects committing genocide over land or resources, does that mean that all genocide under communism is attributable to atheistic communism? It makes far more sense to blame Soviet atrocities on atheism, since atheism can be used to argue that humans are worthless animals with no purpose for existence (again, I'm an atheist).

To equate "convert, jizya or die" with the golden rule is just silliness. (Jesus articulated the golden rule, right?)

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Sharia law = bye bye democracy and hello to being stoned to death for not being Muslim!!! Freedom of religion = the destruction of democracy!

Thousands of years of war and divide leading to the death of millions if not billions of people over factually proven foundations of religious lies along with the factual evidence that proves that the foundation of every religion is based upon lies is the most genuine reason to rid the world of religion for the well being of the future of the life on this planet. The factual evidence proving that the foundation of every religion is based upon lies is quite simply as follows. First the foundation of a religion is some ridiculous story about how we / everything came to be. If it is not based upon some ridiculous story of how we / everything came to be then it is not a religion. I notice that the religious in days of now attempt to call everything a religion in attempt to fail safe their lies buried in a manifest of yet more lies and deceptions by attempting to try and drag everyone else / everything else down to the level of their religion in attempt to use to give a false sense of justification for following any religion.

Many religious for example are those who claim that this lie that they refer to as god is the creator of everything. They also claim that it has intelligence hence they pray to / worship this lie. Yet the fact remains that not anything goes poof into existence out of nothingness. Not anything can develop and intelligence out of nothingness let alone make anything go poof into existence out of nothingness because the fact remains that it takes energy matter an time to re create energy and matter. Otherwise just share even just one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness. You / no one ever will share one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness which proves that even the most remote possibility of there be a god does not exist! Not anything that exists goes poof into nothingness and not anything goes poof into existence out of nothingness because the fact remains that it takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter. Everything always was, is and always will be enduring an endless duration of constant change and the simple factual evidence which proves it is the fact that it takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter.

If you are religious and you want to exemplify that you value life more than you value already "factually proven" foundations of religious lies, then simply throw your religion in the garbage where every religion belongs and walk away from religion for good.

It kinds of infuriates me towards what this forum is called "Peace through Religion"

Deliberate ignorance or living in a bubble equals peace according to whom?

love

Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist
David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. Be good, be strong!
Hamilton Ontario Canada

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/20/politi...resident-2016/

We are a Republic! Not a democracy!

[Eagles' Wings]

I have just demonstrate the very factual evidence that proves that the foundation of every religion is based upon lies thus proving that religious so called beliefs are false.

I don't see you or anyone else here sharing one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness.

The destruction of factually proven foundation of religious lies which have lead to the death of millions if not billions of people over thousands of years of war and divide = peace.

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