Yes. It was a tradition that some Christians, somewhere, practiced at some time.Originally Posted by TER
How do you know? Do you consider the Apostolic Constitutions to be accurate and correct?
+'These things I command you, that you love one another.' - Jesus Christ
I don't know for sure. As for its accuracy and correctness, the question is, accurate and correct with respect to what. Somebody produced it in the form we have. Whoever that was, we can be reasonably sure, meant to propound the ideas that are in it. So it is accurate and correct as a source for information about the beliefs of those who produced it.
Okay. I can agree. So, in your opinion, this practice of the rite of ordination of the bishop (involving the other bishops at the altar and the deacon holding the Gospels over the person's head) is, as far as you can surmise, a correct and accurate description of what the practice and beliefs were according to the author.
Would you hold the same thing for other parts of what were written in the Apostolic Constitutions?
+'These things I command you, that you love one another.' - Jesus Christ
Thread topic: "Jesus vs. Paul - Christianity's Greatest Lies Exposed"
Yes.
Great! When I come back from running errands, let us discuss some more of what traditions and beliefs were held and practiced by Christians in the first few centuries, so we can learn how they lived and worshiped.
Are you sure you want to open yourself up to the risk that you will find out they weren't as uniform as you always insist they were?
I am not scared of that at all. I'm only scared that I may put my understanding to be greater then better men then me. Even with this recent revelation you have showed me, with regards to the deacon ministering to the Bishop who is standing on the altar while the Holy Gospels laying on the newly ordained's head in the holy sacrament amazes me at the depth and beauty of the Church. The Holy Spirit working in the Church. This does not cause me fear, but more wonder to the glory of God.
Last edited by TER; 10-06-2015 at 09:54 AM.
TER, do people who say they are Christians in this day have practices and traditions and beliefs that are different than what the apostles had?
Why would the first few centuries be any different?
Because when the eventual Rome hijack took over so did the pagan's practices, traditions and beliefs? (AKA Paulinism)
That makes no sense at all, since Paul's letters were written even before the gospels were written. You have no idea what you're talking about. It's embarrassing.
Where did I claim what you falsely and erroneously posted?
Silly Sola_Fide post score +1.
You have no idea what you're talking about, so it doesn't even matter.
Supporting scriptural link corroboration for the thread topic.
http://www.problemswithpaul.com/Apostle_Paul.html
http://jesuswordsonly.com/books/478-...us-christ.html
Last edited by Ronin Truth; 10-06-2015 at 11:02 AM.
Doesn't exist, does it? You just made it up... again. Some folks call that lying.
You have no idea what you're talking about Paulinista, so it doesn't even matter.
Silly Sola_Fide post score +1.
Where in those links did you find anything that supports the thread topic? Is there any particular point made that you think does that and that you are prepared to defend?
If you read them, then I believe you would not be asking that question.
If you disagree with them, then I believe you are just arguing with your Bible.
If you can definitively refute them, then please just be my guest in refuting all of the incorrect ones.
I will only defend the ones NOT based on scripture. Which ones are those (he asks the expert)? The scriptural ones defend themselves, by definition, right?
Thanks!
Last edited by Ronin Truth; 10-06-2015 at 11:55 AM.
I did, and I still am asking.
Why do you think that?
I didn't see anything that supported the thread topic. Did you? If so, what?
Now you're talking about clarity. Earlier you made claims about accuracy. Those are different things.
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Where did Paul do this?
http://www.problemswithpaul.com/index.html
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...63.cbdJXtw84wE
Last edited by Ronin Truth; 10-06-2015 at 07:38 PM.
Ronin, I don't read your links often because you post links from people who say they get their ideas from aliens. You said Paul played the role of "antichrist". Can you please explain what you meant by that?
None failed to persuade me of anything they said.
But no one has presented any that show any conflict between Jesus and Paul. If you disagree, name one.
How many months has Ronin failed to post even one "contradiction" he thinks there is between Jesus and Paul? Ronin is just not a serious person.
If you don't like and won't read the answers, then just don't ask me the questions. Do your own damned research, and believe whatever you want.
I certainly have no reason to give a crap about your decisions for ignorance.
Solution: Then just stop posting to me. DUH! T'aint no kind of rocket science.
Silly Sola_Fide post score +1.
I'm asking about what you posted. You posted:
Why did you say that? When did Paul play the antichrist role?Paul playing the Antichrist role, in spite of your repeated claims that Jesus and Paul taught the very same thing.
How many examples of blatant obvious differences does a Paulinist usually reasonably require?
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