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    Obama proposes forced national service

    Under the plan, middle and high school students would perform 50 hours of service a year.

    In addition, Obama proposed a tax credit of $4,000 to help make college affordable but to receive the credit, the student would be required to clock at least 100 hours of service a year.

    The ideas are part of a wider-range plan that would include quadrupling AmeriCorp and doubling Peace Corps volunteers, which Obama said is essential in helping the nation meet goals and restore the nation?s worldly standing as a leader.

    ?Your own story and the American story are not separate; they are shared,? Obama told a crowd of about 900 people, mostly students. ?And they will both be enriched if we stand up together, and answer a new call to service to meet the challenges of our new century.?


    The crowd gave Obama enthusiastic applause. Sean Ransick, a junior at Cornell, said the plan makes sense.

    ?I think it?s a great idea. I think it?s very innovative,? Ransick. ?I haven?t heard anything like it before. It was tough for me to get to college financially. That would have been an option and I certainly would have taken it.?

    Obama, a U.S. senator from Illinois, said the plan would also seek to create a national online network to connect volunteers with service organizations. It would also create a ?Social Entrepreneurship Agency? to help nonprofits improved collaborations with government.

    His campaign staff didn?t immediately respond to questions about how much the plan would cost.

    ?The non-profit sector employs one in 12 Americans and 115 nonprofits are launched every day,? Obama said. ?Yet while the federal government invests $7 billion in research and development for the private sector, there is no similar effort to support non-profit innovation.?



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    Quote Originally Posted by cindy25 View Post
    Under the plan, middle and high school students would perform 50 hours of service a year.

    In addition, Obama proposed a tax credit of $4,000 to help make college affordable but to receive the credit, the student would be required to clock at least 100 hours of service a year.

    The ideas are part of a wider-range plan that would include quadrupling AmeriCorp and doubling Peace Corps volunteers, which Obama said is essential in helping the nation meet goals and restore the nation?s worldly standing as a leader.

    ?Your own story and the American story are not separate; they are shared,? Obama told a crowd of about 900 people, mostly students. ?And they will both be enriched if we stand up together, and answer a new call to service to meet the challenges of our new century.?


    The crowd gave Obama enthusiastic applause. Sean Ransick, a junior at Cornell, said the plan makes sense.

    ?I think it?s a great idea. I think it?s very innovative,? Ransick. ?I haven?t heard anything like it before. It was tough for me to get to college financially. That would have been an option and I certainly would have taken it.?

    Obama, a U.S. senator from Illinois, said the plan would also seek to create a national online network to connect volunteers with service organizations. It would also create a ?Social Entrepreneurship Agency? to help nonprofits improved collaborations with government.

    His campaign staff didn?t immediately respond to questions about how much the plan would cost.

    ?The non-profit sector employs one in 12 Americans and 115 nonprofits are launched every day,? Obama said. ?Yet while the federal government invests $7 billion in research and development for the private sector, there is no similar effort to support non-profit innovation.?
    Involuntary servitude.
    "A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicity." - Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address

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    another fine example of big government trying run your life and force people into servanthood.
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    $#@! Obama and his draft for social workers.
    "Anarchists oppose the State because it has its very being in such aggression, namely, the expropriation of private property through taxation, the coercive exclusion of other providers of defense service from its territory, and all of the other depredations and coercions that are built upon these twin foci of invasions of individual rights." -Murray Rothbard

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    He's the "candidate for change", alright.

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    Ask Louis Farakan what he thinks of the idea.
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    Under Obama's plan, the government has a right to steal money from college-aged kids and then only give it back if you do exactly what they say. Sounds more like a ransom than incentive!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cindy25 View Post
    Under the plan, middle and high school students would perform 50 hours of service a year.
    Go figure. A black man who wants slavery.



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    Quote Originally Posted by rodent View Post
    Go figure. A black man who wants slavery.
    Beat me to it!



    Obama: But they'll get thier freedom eventually!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodent View Post
    Go figure. A black man who wants slavery.
    Ouch.
    "Anarchists oppose the State because it has its very being in such aggression, namely, the expropriation of private property through taxation, the coercive exclusion of other providers of defense service from its territory, and all of the other depredations and coercions that are built upon these twin foci of invasions of individual rights." -Murray Rothbard

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    Quote Originally Posted by noxagol View Post
    Ouch.
    It is what it is, even if he doesn't see it that way.

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    do the people who support Obama even think about what he says???????????

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    read his website-it gets worse:

    http://my.barackobama.com/page/-/HQp...ce%20FINAL.pdf

    Classroom corps:
    ".... and we will draft parents, grandparents, college students or community members to mentor and provide one-on-one assistance...."

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    Thats $4.00 couldn't they make more working in the school?

    In addition, Obama proposed a tax credit of $4,000 to help make college affordable but to receive the credit, the student would be required to clock at least 100 hours of service a year.

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    I can see it now...


    We do it for our father land!

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    post this in other forums. we want Hillary to win in Iowa so the independent vote will for RP in NH.

    this could bring Obama down. I already posted it in Daily Kos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CurtisLow View Post
    I can see it now...


    We do it for our father land!
    You beat me to it....I was thinking 'shades of the Hitler Youth Batman"!!!
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    And that CFR card-carrying wife of his is equally involved in this drafting of the citizens of the U.S., in coordination with FEMA, of course, naturally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cindy25 View Post
    post this in other forums. we want Hillary to win in Iowa so the independent vote will for RP in NH.

    this could bring Obama down. I already posted it in Daily Kos.
    No, socialists are big believers in public service. Ask them about the draft, and you'll find they usually think it's a good idea.... something every young American should do is serve in the military, until the Republicans run the war.

    Through our history, the Democrats are always the group that starts the draft.

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    Socialist elites have always wanted a draft, but I don't think the average Democrat wants their child to be sent to serve in some inner city project or school. But Obama is being praised for this all over the MSM and forums-I don't think anyone has read the details.

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    NEW WORLD ORDER WORKFORCE........ got the below from an article.

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    Barack Obama says he's a 'person of faith' and challenges the Church and business community to join with the government in the battle against AIDS: "At a press conference on December 1... the possible Presidential contender said, '...the network that Saddleback has helped to create has as much reach as any institutional force in our culture and has probably a wider reach around the world than just about anything that's going on right now.... I hope one of the things that comes out of this conference that Pastor Rick has emphasized again and again, is no single branch of our society is going do this alone. If government thinks they can do it by themselves they're wrong. Churches have to recognize that they've got to be partners with the government. Business has an enormous role...."

    For those who don't know, Pastor Rick is Rick Warren, CFR member globalist and writer/promoter of 'A Purpose Driven Life'.
    Last edited by Sandy; 12-06-2007 at 11:31 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by fortilite View Post
    Beat me to it!



    Obama: But they'll get thier freedom eventually!
    but you will just have to work for it.
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    John Edwards proposed forced national service months ago and barely anyone noticed. I've had to point this out to people whenever they mention him. Sadly, neither Republicans nor Democrats are generally opposed to involuntary servitude. Just another reason we have to win this.
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    LOL I picture a bunch of high school students out singing "We shall overcome.."

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    so did Chris Dodd, and years ago John McCain.

    surely Hillary wants it also, and probably Huck

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    I love how the democrats (Hillary proposed that $5,000 handout to children for college tuition) think just giving money or credits for college is going to make things better somehow. Don't they realize that tuition will just go up $5,000? Most businesses, colleges included, don't set the prices based on cost, they set them on what the market will bear. And if the government starts throwing out handouts, the market will be able to now bear a higher price.

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    4000 dollars? Thats 100 dollars an acre!


    Ah, I love it.

    The rest of the plan will befunded using a small portion of the savings associated with ending the war in Iraq
    Looks like the Iraq War will go down as the biggest fiscal policy mistake in history. All the money we are pouring into it we. When its over, everyone in town will be saying, "Now that we arnt spending this money in Iraq, lets use it for new entitlement systems"
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