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    Thumbs up What I think Rand Needs to Be Louder About

    I think it would be good for Rand to be more loud about his ideas about criminal justice reform and states rights on marijuana. This is something that we should also push. The religious control freak crowd is even softening up to this issue because even they are touched by seeing their children make mistakes and get thrown in prison for this. This is 2 videos I am pushing:






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    In 1921, Harding and Coolidge ended Wilson's rampant socialism, and set us free. And the people took advantage of their restored liberty, rolled up their sleeves, fixed the economy, and the result was the 'Roaring Twenties'.

    We could use another Roaring Twenties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    In 1921, Harding and Coolidge ended Wilson's rampant socialism, and set us free. And the people took advantage of their restored liberty, rolled up their sleeves, fixed the economy, and the result was the 'Roaring Twenties'.

    We could use another Roaring Twenties.
    I know I could.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    We could use another Roaring Twenties.
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    I know I could.
    Too many high-tech Revenuers today!

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    Too many high-tech Revenuers today!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Where there's a will.......
    ...there is relatives.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    ...there is relatives.
    ok that made me laugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by klamath View Post
    ok that made me laugh.
    Me too.



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    Criminal justice reform just isn't an issue and probably isn't even on the radar. Legalizing pot is however and he could push such issue to help him market himself as that "different kind of Republican."
    If Rand does not win the Republican nomination, he should buck the controlled two party system and run as an Independent for President in 2016 and give Americans a real option to vote for.

    We are all born libertarians then something goes really wrong. Despite this truth, most people are still libertarians yet not know it.

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    Rand should be all in for legalized marijuana, that might be able to win him some of the support his dad had on college campuses

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    I think he should take a break from the social stuff and and pump the $#@! out of his flat tax plan to get his home team favorables back up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSP-Rebel View Post
    I think he should take a break from the social stuff and and pump the $#@! out of his flat tax plan to get his home team favorables back up.
    This too. The economy, the economy, the economy.

    Is there no way to simply explain the Fed problem? Haven't we taught people enough yet? 'The value of the dollar shrinks so fast you can't possibly ask for enough raises to break even. You'd need a raise every day. That's what happened to the middle class.'
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    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    NO !! Rand, should right now be getting that Clerk of Court out of jail in Kentucky. The SCOTUS interpreted same sex marriage is constitutional, but they did not create a law for it.... they can't... they interpret, not create laws.

    Rand should be in court tomorrow morning getting her out. There is no law in Kentucky, no statute for same sex marriage... He should have her ass out by 9:00 a.m. tomorrow morning, and be all over FOX News with her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liberty74 View Post
    Criminal justice reform just isn't an issue and probably isn't even on the radar. Legalizing pot is however and he could push such issue to help him market himself as that "different kind of Republican."
    I guess you just don't know how many people have been screwed over by having a non violent drug offense on their record and the family members who have had to adjust to their loved one being in prison children growing up with out their father or mother being bounced from foster home to foster home or to different relatives. He says he wants to be a "different kind of republican" Republicans created this war on drugs and they need to end it. It is a crime against humanity. Our war on drugs has extended to countries all over the world. Other countries execute people who have drugs which btw is why they have fewer people in prison than we do. Our country planted this idea and sold it to the rest of the world it is a real war in every since of the word and it has gone on for 50 MFing years!!! It is costing billions of dollars a year to fight in this country alone.

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    Rand should be in court tomorrow morning getting her out. There is no law in Kentucky, no statute for same sex marriage... He should have her ass out by 9:00 a.m. tomorrow morning, and be all over FOX News with her.
    I think it would make him less popular. I think republicans need to stay out of the bedroom as much as possible.

    I think focusing on the economy and criminal justice/war on drugs would make him more popular and gain him more of the independent votes and maybe even some liberals. Also we need to face that the media is only going to attack him from here on out and that it will be an uphill battle all the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Working Poor View Post
    I think it would make him less popular. I think republicans need to stay out of the bedroom as much as possible.

    I think focusing on the economy and criminal justice/war on drugs would make him more popular and again him the independent votes and maybe even some liberals. Also we need to face that the media is only going to attack him from here on out and that it will be an uphill battle all the way.
    I disagree. He needs a big STAND right now. He is 0 to 4% in recent polls. He MUST, MUST take on a high profile issue..... right now. And this is one that can be won. And it is his State, KY. He needs to get that woman out of jail, because there is no statute that should hold her their other then Contempt of a law which doesn't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianne View Post
    He needs to get that woman out of jail, because there is no statute that should hold her their other then Contempt of a law which doesn't exist.
    Contempt of law is a statute which doesn't exist. Contempt of court, on the other hand...
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Contempt of law is a statute which doesn't exist. Contempt of court, on the other hand...
    But how can there be contempt of Court, when there is no law to be contemptful of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianne View Post
    But how can there be contempt of Court, when there is no law to be contemptful of?
    You seem pretty contemptuous of the Supreme Court right now. What law is involved in that?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Criminal justice reform and marijuana decriminalization are poor choices for a GOP primary.
    It's good that Rand is on the right side of these issues, but he doesn't need to hark on them until the general. The primary is the time for talk about tax cuts, defunding planned parenthood, etc.
    Non-violence is the creed of those that maintain a monopoly on force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianne View Post
    I disagree. He needs a big STAND right now. He is 0 to 4% in recent polls. He MUST, MUST take on a high profile issue..... right now. And this is one that can be won. And it is his State, KY. He needs to get that woman out of jail, because there is no statute that should hold her their other then Contempt of a law which doesn't exist.
    I think if he did that he would loose the general he might make a bigger splash among conservatives for the primary but conservatives are no where near the majority. You do realize that there are states that allow dems and repubs to vote in both primaries and dems will vote in repub primaries. I would not doubt there are many people who register to vote as a republican just so they can help vote someone in that won't challenge the dem nominee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Working Poor View Post
    I think if he did that he would loose the general he might make a bigger splash among conservatives for the primary...
    I think all of us need to be louder about the way the media is brainwashing the simple fact out of the heads of Republicans that they are demanding things of their candidates which guarantee a loss in the general election.

    They won't nominate a candidate unless and until that candidate goes out of his way to alienate independent voters. Raise foot, insert bullet.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I think all of us need to be louder about the way the media is brainwashing the simple fact out of the heads of Republicans that they are demanding things of their candidates which guarantee a loss in the general election.

    They won't nominate a candidate unless and until that candidate goes out of his way to alienate independent voters. Raise foot, insert bullet.
    You are right. It is getting so awful but my heart just won't let me give up on liberty.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Working Poor View Post
    I guess you just don't know how many people have been screwed over by having a non violent drug offense on their record and the family members who have had to adjust to their loved one being in prison children growing up with out their father or mother being bounced from foster home to foster home or to different relatives. He says he wants to be a "different kind of republican" Republicans created this war on drugs and they need to end it. It is a crime against humanity. Our war on drugs has extended to countries all over the world. Other countries execute people who have drugs which btw is why they have fewer people in prison than we do. Our country planted this idea and sold it to the rest of the world it is a real war in every since of the word and it has gone on for 50 MFing years!!! It is costing billions of dollars a year to fight in this country alone.
    I don't disagree with you on the War on Drugs issue. I think addressing such at the "pot" level would be wise. But to make criminal justice your focus issue would be foolish. It just does not affect your Republican primary/caucus voter. You start talking about such, those voters will tune you out. If Rand gets the nomination, then yeah, it might be wiser for him to try and to expand his base for a broader support of Dems, Reps and Independents by talking about criminal justice reform but now?...NO

    Focus on getting the government out of the peoples' lives from the bedroom, from what one puts in their body, from taxation, from regulations, from illegal spying, from healthcare, etc. Rand must talk about how these relate to your Republican voter. I still think he should become the anti-war candidate. Talk about how being for illegal wars makes one support bigger government and more debt while ignoring our own borders.

    Slogan: RAND WANTS TO LEAVE YOU ALONE
    If Rand does not win the Republican nomination, he should buck the controlled two party system and run as an Independent for President in 2016 and give Americans a real option to vote for.

    We are all born libertarians then something goes really wrong. Despite this truth, most people are still libertarians yet not know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You seem pretty contemptuous of the Supreme Court right now. What law is involved in that?
    That's what I'm asking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianne View Post
    That's what I'm asking.
    If I may, your answer comes in two parts:


    (1) "The Court, in this decision, holds same-sex couples may exercise the fundamental right to marry in all States."

    http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/14-556_3204.pdf


    (2) 18 U.S. Code § 401 - Power of court

    A court of the United States shall have power to punish by fine or imprisonment, or both, at its discretion, such contempt of its authority, and none other, as

    (1)Misbehavior of any person in its presence or so near thereto as to obstruct the administration of justice;


    (2)Misbehavior of any of its officers in their official transactions;


    (3)Disobedience or resistance to its lawful writ, process, order, rule, decree, or command. [my emphasis]

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/401
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