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TC,
There are Christians who accept ***** just as there are sects of other religions that do.
Making a blanket statement about "Christians" is disingenuous.
Now if you would have specified Fundamental Evangelicals.....
Please don't claim to speak for Christians as a group, you're doing yourself and Christianity a disservice.
(I am already aware that you consider Evangelicalism the only "true" Christian" but the rest of the world doesn't and you come across as foolish and myopic by refusing to accept that)
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Last edited by Voluntarist; 07-03-2018 at 04:50 PM.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you post to the internet can and will be used to humiliate you.
You are correct. The NT does take precedence. She and one of her former husbands should have reconciled with one another, rather than going on to marry someone else (1 Cor 7:11).
As to your last 2 questions, now that she is in another marriage. That's that. She has to remain in this marriage.
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Last edited by Voluntarist; 07-03-2018 at 04:51 PM.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you post to the internet can and will be used to humiliate you.
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Last edited by Voluntarist; 07-03-2018 at 04:52 PM.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you post to the internet can and will be used to humiliate you.
The Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches don't accept same-sex marriage either.
I know you can find professing Jews who don't believe in circumcision. But just because such things exist, that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with generalizing Judaism as both accepting and requiring circumcision of males.
Viewed globally and historically, any professing Christians who deny that homosexual sex is a sin would amount to an insignificant aberration. And it does Christianity, as well as the truth in general, a disservice to pretend that Brett85's characterization of Christianity as disapproving of same-sex marriage was inaccurate.
Last edited by erowe1; 09-04-2015 at 08:05 AM.
If you wanted some sort of Ideological purity, you'll get none of that from me.
Thread for discussing *****-n-religion;
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-marriage-quot
If so, I think that harms her case. Not issuing marriage licenses at all is to neglect her duties. But per the laws of Kentucky, these do not include same-sex couples. When she took that job, the law itself specifically defined her duties that way, and the Kentucky legislature has not changed it.
This thread has gotten pretty ridiculous.
First- the gov has no business in marriage.
I repeat:
First- the gov has no business in marriage.
Government got into the marriage business to prevent interracial marriages. Now it has also become an income racket and a way to own your kiddies.
Second- what consenting adults do is THEIR business; if you are not being forced into joining in, whether it is sex, drugs. or any other victim-less "crime", why should you care?
Third- we should be supporting the freedom of ALL people, not just those we agree with- as long as their actions are lawful and do not impede on OTHERS freedoms. (And please understand the difference between "lawful" and "legal"; some things are "legal" but are "unlawful" according to inalienable rights.)
If a woman truly wants to wear a burka- she should be allowed.
If a family wants to live off the grid- they should be allowed.
If someone wants to refuse medical treatment- they should be allowed.
If a gay couple wants to join in a life-long union- they should be allowed.
Some Christians have a problem letting gays use the word: marriage; well, then change the word.
Fourth- I am from California; I have known many gays and I do not know of anyone that willingly chose to be gay.
I have known devout Christian gays who chose to be celibate.
I have known gays who chose to marry the opposite sex because it was "right". And suffered with guilt all their lives, even though they were faithful.
I had a wonderful gay friend who committed suicide because he could not deal with his Christian beliefs and his gayness.
Five- True Christianity is based on the love of God and one's fellowman.
Christians should believe in Free Will and Liberty for all to choose their own path, whether they be another Christian denomination, Muslim, Jew, Gay, Harlot, Communist, etc.
It is not my duty to condemn- it is my duty to love and to teach by example.
And as an American Christian, it is my duty to support the freedom of all Americans, whether I believe in their way of life or not.
Last edited by Ender; 09-04-2015 at 09:46 AM.
There is no spoon.
I am going to have to agree with TJ on this.Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will, within limits drawn around us
by the equal rights of others. I do not add "within the limits of the law", because law is
often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual."
-Thomas Jefferson
If for some reason I had the power to force people, I'd have to try to look fairly at both sides of the situation. Either denying the gay couple PERMISSION to marry, or FORCE the Clerk to issue the Marriage License would be an Infringement of the Rights of one, or the Rights of the Other. Thus, I think the real solution doesnt lie within forcing one side or the other and we have to dig deeper.
My conclusion is to get Govt out of the Business of Marriage.
Permission and Rights are POLAR OPPOSITES. When ever a person has to get a License, that is a form of asking Permission. Thus, requiring couples to get a License is a form of converting Rights into Permissions, and in order for True Liberty to be addressed, the Permission has to be elevated back into a Right. No more of this "Mommy may I" bull$#@!. So lets look just for a moment at a very very generic reason Marriage Licenses were initially issued. Marriage Licenses historically started during our dark history when Black Slaves were expected to seek permission to marry. It was intended to restrict Interracial Marriages because Rights were based upon Skin Color and a mixed race child being half White and half Black confused the numbers of 2/3rds of a Vote. Instead of treating black men as men with Rights (just men, women had no voting rights at all), some black men were given the conditional priviledge of having their votes counted as 2/3rds of a vote, not even a full vote. Basically, only Property Owners had the Right to Vote. We did not have Equal Rights. And Mixed Race made the topic that much more difficult, thus, marriages between non whites were handled with Licenses. This allowed abuse of granting permissions to occur, converting Rights into Permissions. But as is the case in any authority granted to the Govt, the scope of abuse soon extends to all people. As a result, all couples were expected to "apply for Marriage Licenses" or ASK PERMISSION to marry.
But lets dig just a bit deeper. Any time a person asks Permission, they are creating the Authority, and thereby the Potential for Abuse. "Daddy, can I take take the car to the store?" That is a form of creating Authority, not by the figure of Authority, but by the actions of the person requesting "Authorization".
The next reason that Marriage Licenses are demanded is that it is NOT a Union between two individuals, but between two individuals PLUS THE STATE. If by granting Permission to get married created no situations where more of an individual or couples property could be deprived by the State, then no Licenses would be issued to begin with. But as it stands the results of Marriage creates special situations of Entitlement, such as Health Insurance and Inheritance, and many other extensions. This spouce died, all their property now becomes yours. That spouce is ill, your Insurance will cover the costs of their medical care. Marriage Licenses are only a path to deprive individuals and couples of as much of their property as possible. Again, asking Permission creates Authority. "May I have my deceased partners possessions"? When the State refuses to recognize that Union of two People, all the property either becomes the property of the State where by the State is truly the owner of all property. And as always, the Govt will always claim that the needs of the Govt outweigh the needs of any individual.
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If you want your Rights back, stop asking $#@!ing Permission for EVERYTHING.
- Stop asking permission to speak.
- Stop asking permission to carry a gun.
- Stop asking permission to get married.
- Stop asking permission to travel.
- Stop asking permission to keep the property of a deceased spouce or parent.
- Stop asking permission to practice any Religion.
- Stop asking permission to keep your private affairs private.
- Stop asking permission for damn near every action in your lives.
Lets go back to the orignal quote by Thomas Jefferson. If we truly recognize Equal Rights, then a certain degree of responsiblity must be taken as well. We need to be the ones that recognize the Equal Rights of ALL People. Those lines will never be clearly defined by Govt, and can only be defined by two people, be those two people Neighbors, Spouces, Families, Clerk and Customer, or two people that have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Once you recognize both your Rights and the Equal Rights of another, also recognize your own Responsibility and the Equal Responsibility of others as well. Thus, all this Entitlement bull$#@! also has to end. We do not have the Right to Infringe upon the Equal Rights of others, through Claims of Entitlement or using Govt as an excuse to deprive another person of Equal Rights of their Property. So one more thing to stop doing has to be added to the list:
- Stop asking Govt to infringe upon the Equal Rights and Responsibilities of others.
1776 > 1984
The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.
The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide
Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled
I like the idea of county government employees standing up to the feds, only I wish the rest of the county's government would have stood beside her.
Getting away from federalized government is a good thing with the end game being individual rights..
Maybe this one broad will spark others to stand up.....
One at a time the feds can crush, even one county at a time, but when there are several county's bucking at the same time fed-gov has a real problem...
Doesn't matter to me which faction gets the ball rollin', could be dope smokers, or Christians or even Muslims, truck drivers, bikers or farmers...
There's too much surveillance, too many different mindsets and too little land for this many people, something is going to change. I just hope it doesn't get to bloody and affect my child for too long.
That's quite beside the point. Refusal to issue licenses to same-sex couples is unconstitutional, so the fact that Kentucky law says that only hetero couples can get licenses is irrelevant. Look at it this way: Alabama's constitution contained an anti-miscegenation provision that wasn't repealed until 2000. Are you suggesting that Alabama could legally refuse to issue marriage licenses to interracial couples from 1967 (the year Loving was decided) until 2000?
Interracial marriage is covered by the Fourteenth Amendment, while gay marriage is not. The dictionary definition for marriage, to my knowledge, has never been "a union between people of the same race." While up until 2001 marriage had only been defined as an opposite-sex institution, in every culture.
Stop believing stupid things
Why are we just picking on one case? There are quite a few places where state and county officials regularly defy federal law. Sand Francisco and the sanctuary city thing would be one. States that refuse to enforce federal drug laws would be another. Shoot, the Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton did it. So did Lois Lerner and the IRS. Why aren't any of them in jail?
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