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    Exclamation TX-Cop executed while pumping gas in Houston.

    Well, time to triple down or stand down, cops?

    You called down this War on Us and now you're starting to take casualties.

    What move is next?


    Police investigate motive in ambush of Houston area deputy

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...08-29-06-33-34

    HOUSTON (AP) -- The man charged with capital murder in the fatal shooting of a uniformed suburban Houston sheriff's deputy had a lengthy criminal record going back a decade, but never spent more than short stints in jail.

    Shannon J. Miles, whose criminal record includes convictions for resisting arrest and disorderly conduct with a firearm, was to be arraigned Monday in the shooting of Darren Goforth, a 10-year veteran of the Harris County Sheriff's Office. Miles' arrest Saturday came less than 24 hours after authorities said he ambushed Goforth at a suburban Houston Chevron station.

    Harris County Sheriff Ron Hickman said the attack was "clearly unprovoked," and there is no evidence that Goforth knew Miles. Investigators have no information from Miles that would shed light on his motive, Hickman said.

    "Our assumption is that he (Goforth) was a target because he wore a uniform," the sheriff said.

    Miles' criminal record begins in 2005, when he was convicted of criminal mischief, giving false information to police and resisting arrest, according to records. In 2006, he was convicted of disorderly conduct with a firearm and sentenced to a maximum of 15 days in jail. He was convicted of evading arrest in 2007, and his most recent conviction came in 2009 for again resisting arrest.

    Records show that the 30-year-old Houston resident was sentenced to several short stints in jail, anywhere from 10 to 6 days.

    Court and jail records did not list an attorney for Miles and attempts to reach his family members on Sunday were unsuccessful.

    Goforth, 47, was pumping gas at a Chevron station Friday night in Cypress, a middle- to upper-middle-class suburban area of Harris County located northwest of Houston, when the gunman approached him from behind and fired multiple shots, continuing to fire after the deputy had fallen to the ground.

    The killing evoked strong emotions in the local law enforcement community, with Hickman linking it to heightened tension over the treatment of African-Americans by police. Goforth was white and Miles is black.

    The nationwide "Black Lives Matter" movement that formed after 18-year-old Michael Brown was shot and killed by a white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri, has sought sweeping reforms of policing. Related protests erupted in Texas recently after a 28-year-old Chicago-area black woman, Sandra Bland, was found dead in a county jail about 50 miles northwest of Houston three days after her arrest on a traffic violation. Texas authorities said she committed suicide but her family is skeptical of that.

    Hickman and Harris County District Attorney Devon Anderson pushed back against the criticism of police.

    "We've heard Black Lives Matter, All Lives Matter. Well, cops' lives matter, too," Hickman said Saturday.

    Deray McKesson, a leader in the Black Lives Matter movement, told the Houston Chronicle: "It is unfortunate that Sheriff Hickman has chosen to politicize this tragedy and to attribute the officer's death to a movement that seeks to end violence."

    A prayer walk in Goforth's honor drew hundreds of people Sunday evening. As the group marched through the streets escorted by law enforcement vehicles, traffic in the opposite lanes came to a halt, video from news helicopters showed. Onlookers stood along the road, some waving American flags and others snapping photos.

    A Houston-based nonprofit group called the 100 Club, which supports the families of firefighters and law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty, is providing Goforth's wife with $20,000, and additional support, up to $300,000, could be provided to his family depending on their needs after an assessment is completed, the organization said.

    At a vigil at the gas station Saturday night, members of the community were joined by law enforcement officers. Goforth's wife, Kathleen, released a statement to Houston television station KPRC-TV that said her husband was "ethical; the right thing to do is what guided his internal compass.
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    Well I take the view that no one innocently pumping gas should be killed, under any circumstances. If the cop was hassling someone and being a douche bag, as many of they can and will be.. I can see how tempers might flare. If a cop is coming after one of my kids, or my boxers, he or she is going down scenario.

    Cops are really useless. If you have a real life emergency, it takes them forever to get there. They troll all day and all night to write tickets to bring revenue into the state. We all know that, but that is what they are told to do. Many of them are dicks, many are not. The cop problem lies, not in the cops, but those superiors above them who give the orders.

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    Still a lopsided "Cold Harbor" sort of war.

    Cops shot so far this year = 23 (a 21% decrease from last year's record lows.)

    Mundanes shot by cops so far this year = 776 (we don't know whether this is an increase or decrease, since cops do not keep accurate track of or reporting of these incidents.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianne View Post
    Well I take the view that no one innocently pumping gas should be killed, under any circumstances. If the cop was hassling someone and being a douche bag, as many of they can and will be.. I can see how tempers might flare. If a cop is coming after one of my kids, or my boxers, he or she is going down scenario.
    I take the same view as well, this was a political assassination, basically.

    It's what happens when countries start to devolve and heavily armed "death squads" start wandering around.

    The cops will now, without a doubt, triple down and become even more aggressive, belligerent, combative and trigger happy.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 08-30-2015 at 08:43 PM.

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    So most of this guy's record and time in jail was due to "resisting arrest" or "evading arrest". I think we all know those tend to be some bull$#@! charges, no wonder he held a grudge. Not that this makes murder ok; but it could explain it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    So most of this guy's record and time in jail was due to "resisting arrest" or "evading arrest". I think we all know those tend to be some bull$#@! charges, no wonder he held a grudge. Not that this makes murder ok; but it could explain it.
    I often wonder, if the only charge is resisting arrest, what was that person being arrested for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Rogue View Post
    I often wonder, if the only charge is resisting arrest, what was that person being arrested for?
    Exactly my point, it sounds like its quite possible this guy has had his life repeatedly screwed up by cops for not really doing anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianne View Post
    We all know that, but that is what they are told to do. Many of them are dicks, many are not. The cop problem lies, not in the cops, but those superiors above them who give the orders.
    Miles figured out that the cop problem is a cop problem. He figured out that a cop is a cop is a cop. He figured out that the "good" cops do nothing about the "bad" cops, and that therefore there is no difference.

    He might even have read at some point about the Nuremburg Trials and how principle 4 specifically states that your "just following orders" excuse is no more an excuse for cops than it was for the Nazis we sent to the gallows for it.

    He has lived a life of consistent and baseless harassment from cops, and they probably pushed him across the rubicon some time ago making him basically unemployable. I will bet money that if you look into his life you will probably find he is also not married and likely also had trouble keeping relationships due to the legal trouble. His family may also have disowned him based just on the cops' bull$#@! charges.

    So yeah, I totally understand if he didn't want to go through the effort of finding the exact cops who ruined his life for no reason, because they are actually all the same.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.



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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Miles figured out that the cop problem is a cop problem. He figured out that a cop is a cop is a cop. He figured out that the "good" cops do nothing about the "bad" cops, and that therefore there is no difference.

    He might even have read at some point about the Nuremburg Trials and how principle 4 specifically states that your "just following orders" excuse is no more an excuse for cops than it was for the Nazis we sent to the gallows for it.

    He has lived a life of consistent and baseless harassment from cops, and they probably pushed him across the rubicon some time ago making him basically unemployable. I will bet money that if you look into his life you will probably find he is also not married and likely also had trouble keeping relationships due to the legal trouble. His family may also have disowned him based just on the cops' bull$#@! charges.

    So yeah, I totally understand if he didn't want to go through the effort of finding the exact cops who ruined his life for no reason, because they are actually all the same.
    I understand. Its still not right. Vigilantism isn't Biblical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Liberty View Post
    I understand. Its still not right. Vigilantism isn't Biblical.
    Acts 7:25
    After looking in all directions to make sure no one was watching, Moses killed the Egyptian and hid the body in the sand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    Acts 7:25
    After looking in all directions to make sure no one was watching, Moses killed the Egyptian and hid the body in the sand.
    I'm inclined to agree. Beware, though, that someone will probably come here and quote Romans 12 to you in response. "Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord."
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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    Acts 7:25
    After looking in all directions to make sure no one was watching, Moses killed the Egyptian and hid the body in the sand.
    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    I'm inclined to agree. Beware, though, that someone will probably come here and quote Romans 12 to you in response. "Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord."
    There's a difference. Moses was defending his fellow Hebrew from oppression. That's justice. I could perhaps see an argument that using lethal force to defend another person against unjust arrest based on this. But a cop pumping gas doesn't qualify.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Well, time to triple down or stand down, cops?

    You called down this War on Us and now you're starting to take casualties.

    What move is next?
    Time not to celebrate or justify what was a despicable act of murder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Time not to celebrate or justify what was a despicable act of murder.
    I don't read celebration or justification only a couple of questions and a statement of fact....

    There's been " despicable act of murder" on both sides of this war they've declared on the citizenry.

    Make no mistake either, it is a war, and government has openly declared it.

    Would you suggest not fighting back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Time not to celebrate or justify what was a despicable act of murder.
    I don't think anyone is "celebrating" or "justifying" a despicable act of murder. Anymore than Ron Paul "celebrated" or "justified" 9/11.

    What we are talking about here is blowback. Blowback for decades of plundering the lower class citizenry of our own country. Decades of harassing people, taking the fruits of their labor, and throwing them behind bars. Basically, decades of disrespect of certain segments of humanity. You do realize that America incarcerates people at the highest rate in the world, right? You do realize that our "law enforcement" fleeces even more with fines and threats. You do realize that civil liberties have become something for the textbooks and lawyers to figure out.

    Come on, man... How long do you think that can go on? It will always be the crazies and the broken that will be the first to throw a punch back at the bullies.

    Listen, this officer may have been the model cop. I feel bad for him and his family. And the thug that did this deserves to go to prison. Period. But you can't bury your head to the way his uniform is seen by this segment of the population. This is how blowback affects innocent people.
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    People who want a war on cops are lunatics. They've been fed a narrative that all cops are evil, propped up by a few isolated incidents which are used to justify hatred of ALL cops. It's like pointing to a few instances of black violence and using it to justify hatred of all blacks. News flash, the country has 350 million people. Of course there are going to be bad cops. Of course there are going to be instances of injustice. It's just probability.

    Using the actions of a few individuals way off at the tail end of the bell curve to justify hatred of all police is irrational. Isolated incidents don't prove anything, in order to prove systematic injustice you need to look at large scale statistics. I thought libertarians understood this, we treat people as individuals, not collectively.



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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate View Post
    People who want a war on cops are lunatics. They've been fed a narrative that all cops are evil, propped up by a few isolated incidents which are used to justify hatred of ALL cops. It's like pointing to a few instances of black violence and using it to justify hatred of all blacks. News flash, the country has 350 million people. Of course there are going to be bad cops. Of course there are going to be instances of injustice. It's just probability.

    Using the actions of a few individuals way off at the tail end of the bell curve to justify hatred of all police is irrational. Isolated incidents don't prove anything, in order to prove systematic injustice you need to look at large scale statistics. I thought libertarians understood this, we treat people as individuals, not collectively.
    "few" "isolated"




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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Blowback

    []

    It will always be the crazies and the broken that will be the first to throw a punch back at the bullies.



    OMG


    You're saying this was another Dornerfrein?


    Hickman said Goforth was apparently singled out only because he was wearing the uniform of a law enforcement officer. The sheriff made it clear he felt the shooting was tied to a national backlash over several recent killings of unarmed black people by police officers.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ston/71358938/

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

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    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate View Post
    People who want a war on cops are lunatics. They've been fed a narrative that all cops are evil, propped up by a few isolated incidents which are used to justify hatred of ALL cops. It's like pointing to a few instances of black violence and using it to justify hatred of all blacks. News flash, the country has 350 million people. Of course there are going to be bad cops. Of course there are going to be instances of injustice. It's just probability.

    Using the actions of a few individuals way off at the tail end of the bell curve to justify hatred of all police is irrational. Isolated incidents don't prove anything, in order to prove systematic injustice you need to look at large scale statistics. I thought libertarians understood this, we treat people as individuals, not collectively.
    Is this large enough scale for you?



    I should mention that this is not "hatred" of police, but disgust at what they are enforcing. If you really cared about the police officers and their safety, you would be advocating for a change of policy. Similarly, the same thing can be said about the military.
    Last edited by CaptUSA; 08-31-2015 at 06:42 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate View Post
    People who want a war on cops are lunatics. They've been fed a narrative that all cops are evil, propped up by a few isolated incidents which are used to justify hatred of ALL cops. It's like pointing to a few instances of black violence and using it to justify hatred of all blacks. News flash, the country has 350 million people. Of course there are going to be bad cops. Of course there are going to be instances of injustice. It's just probability.

    Using the actions of a few individuals way off at the tail end of the bell curve to justify hatred of all police is irrational. Isolated incidents don't prove anything, in order to prove systematic injustice you need to look at large scale statistics. I thought libertarians understood this, we treat people as individuals, not collectively.
    The last place you should look to justify a moral ideology is in "large scale statistics." It has been proven here many times that the institution itself is immoral.
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  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    Acts 7:25
    After looking in all directions to make sure no one was watching, Moses killed the Egyptian and hid the body in the sand.
    When he said it wasn't biblical, he didn't mean that the Bible never mentioned it. He meant that the Bible didn't endorse it.

  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Is this large enough scale for you?



    I should mention that this is not "hatred" of police, but disgust at what they are enforcing. If you really cared about the police officers and their safety, you would be advocating for a change of policy. Similarly, the same thing can be said about the military.
    One thing about US nationwide statistics is that when it comes to crime, they are inherently misleading.

    There are really two Americas, to borrow a phrase from John Edwards. The largest cities (of which Houston is one), and everybody else. If you peel off the crime statistics of the big cities, it turns out that the rest of the US has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, whereas those cities themselves have crime rates that are literally on the order of an active war zone.

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate View Post
    People who want a war on cops are lunatics. They've been fed a narrative that all cops are evil, propped up by a few isolated incidents which are used to justify hatred of ALL cops. It's like pointing to a few instances of black violence and using it to justify hatred of all blacks.
    If black violence was whitewashed with mock trials, I'd be concerned.
    If blacks had qualified immunity, I'd be concerned.
    If blacks had millions of lines of regulation to justify harassing our people and eating out their substance, I'd be concerned.



    If blacks had the authority to summarily raid and confiscate "drug involved premises"....


    Quartering Act of 1765


    provided that Great Britain would house its soldiers in American barracks and public houses, as by the Mutiny Act of 1765, but if its soldiers outnumbered the housing available, would quarter them in [] houses of sellers of wine and houses of persons selling of rum, brandy, strong water, cider or metheglin
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartering_Acts

    These tensions would later fuel the fire that led to the Revolutionary War.

    1765 our forefathers went full Rambo over red coats taking a nap in the bar. Try setting up a rum still; these days and the jackboots just take the whole damn house, acreage, outbuildings, cars, bank accounts and other holdings; auctioning it all for cash. $#@! they'd go that far just for raw milk.



    News flash, the country has 350 million people. Of course there are going to be bad cops. Of course there are going to be instances of injustice. It's just probability.
    News flash... per capita... good ole USA is incarcerating mummies and daddies for victimless crimes and summarily street executing suspects at a rate far exceeding other 1st world countries.
    Last edited by presence; 08-31-2015 at 07:05 AM.

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    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    I'm inclined to agree. Beware, though, that someone will probably come here and quote Romans 12 to you in response. "Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord."
    They might quote that or any one of a thousand other verses. The victory that is found in Jesus Christ is not found by standing up for yourself and fighting back, but by following him all the way to the cross.



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  29. #25
    Darren Goforth did it to himself.

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    776 DOCUMENTED.

    You know damn well every downed cop is being documented and plastered all over the news. Civilians? I bet there are FAR more than 776.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Still a lopsided "Cold Harbor" sort of war.

    Cops shot so far this year = 23 (a 21% decrease from last year's record lows.)

    Mundanes shot by cops so far this year = 776 (we don't know whether this is an increase or decrease, since cops do not keep accurate track of or reporting of these incidents.)
    "Like an army falling, one by one by one" - Linkin Park

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Is this large enough scale for you?



    I should mention that this is not "hatred" of police, but disgust at what they are enforcing. If you really cared about the police officers and their safety, you would be advocating for a change of policy. Similarly, the same thing can be said about the military.
    I had to add this chart as well...



    The incarceration rate only shows a small slice of the problem. The overwhelming majority of "subjects" that get caught up in the dragnet never even hit that statistic. This chart hopefully shows how bad the problem really is.

    http://www.bjs.gov/content/justsys.cfm

    Understand that what they call "crime", the entry point into their system, has nothing to do with whether or not you actually harmed another person.
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  32. #28
    Kops are an easy target, unfortunately they're the target least likely to affect any change in "The System"....

    Look at the chart Cap posted, the dark blue section is run by the DA's, the same DA's that protect the kops, the DA's that extract 6 figures of lucre from taxpayers every year and call it a salary...

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    summarily street executing suspects at a rate far exceeding other 1st world countries.
    1st world countries? You know of any 3rd world countries who are executing people in the streets?

    For that matter, does North Korea even do it?
    Does China do it?
    Does IRAN do it?
    Did the USSR do it?
    Did Nazi freaking Germany do it?

    Seriously, can we find examples of KGB or Gestapo agents just gunning people down in the street because they didn't immediately obey?
    Didn't they have the decency to take the person in and murder them in a room somewhere?

    Doesn't this mean that the police agencies we consider the worst of the worst still recognized the inherent wrongness of killing someone simply because they disobeyed?

    Doesn't this mean that our police are worse than they were?
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    Acts 7:25
    After looking in all directions to make sure no one was watching, Moses killed the Egyptian and hid the body in the sand.
    Just out of curiosity what Bible is that verse from?
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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