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    Muslim Persecution of Christians, March 2015

    Raymond Ibrahim explains why the mainstream media doesn't seem to care when Islamic extremists slaughter Christians. Btw, I'm only talking about the 5-10% of Muslims who are extremists, as pitching legend Curt Schilling politely explained. I'm not talking about the hundreds of millions of Muslims that oppose violence, but still support violent Sharia law and go bat$#@! angry when infidels defend themselves.




    The following is a portion of the violence committed against Christians by Islamist radicals during the month of March of this year.

    Jihad on Churches
    Muslim Persecution of Christians, March 2015

    by Raymond Ibrahim
    June 15, 2015 at 5:00 am
    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/59...ad-on-churches

    On Sunday, March 15, as Christian churches around the world were celebrating morning mass, two churches in Pakistan — one Catholic, one Protestant — were attacked by Islamic suicide bombers. At least 17 people were killed and over 70 wounded.

    The Taliban claimed responsibility. It is believed that the group had hoped for much greater death tolls, as there were almost 2,000 people in both churches at the time of the explosions.

    According to eyewitnesses, two suicide bombers approached the gates of the two churches and tried to enter them. When they were stopped — in one church by a 15-year-old Christian youth who blocked them with his body — the Islamic jihadis self-detonated. Witnesses saw "body parts flying through the air."

    According to an official statement from the Justice and Peace Commission of the Episcopal Conference of Pakistan, despite all the threats received by the churches, authorities only provided "minimal" security.

    As in other Muslim-majority nations, churches in Pakistan are under attack. On September 22, 2013, in Peshawar, Islamic suicide bombers entered the All Saints Church right after Sunday mass and blew themselves up in the midst of approximately 550 congregants, killing nearly 90 worshippers. Many were Sunday school children, women, and choir members. At least 120 were injured.

    One parishioner recalled how "human remains were strewn all over the church." (For an idea of the aftermath of suicide attacks on churches, see these graphic pictures.)

    In 2001, Islamic gunmen stormed St. Dominic's Protestant Church, opening fire on the congregants and killing at least 16 worshippers, mostly women and children.

    The rest of March's roundup of Muslim persecution of Christians around the world includes, but is not limited to, the following accounts, listed by theme and country in alphabetical order, not necessarily according to severity.

    Muslim Attacks on Christian Churches and Monasteries

    Central African Republic: At least eight churches were burned in the northern province of Nana Grebizi, after heavily armed Muslim Fulani herdsmen attacked several villages. Two Christians, including a pastor, were killed in the attack; another Christian was severely tortured. After the carnage, the Islamic herdsmen started fires and looted the local population. The blaze destroyed swathes of farmland, at least eight churches, several other mission centers and an unknown number of Christian homes.

    Egypt: During the early morning hours of March 9, the Coptic Catholic Church of Kafr el-Dawar was attacked by armed men who used an explosive device against the place of worship. Two policemen were hospitalized after the attack. Separately, Dr. Yusuf al-Burhami, a leading cleric in Egypt's Salafi movement, appeared in a video that surfaced in March, saying that "Destroying churches is permissible — as long as the destruction does not bring harm to Muslims, such as false claims that Muslims are persecuting Christians, leading to [foreign] occupations." He further added that "the reason we agree to their [churches] being built, via the article in the constitution dealing with worship, and the reason we do not collect the jizya [tribute] from the Christians, is because the condition of Muslims in the current era is well known to the nations of the world — they are weak and deteriorating among the people." Burhami explained that when the Arab Muslims first conquered Egypt in the 7th century, the ancient nation was Christian, and because the Muslims were few in number, Coptic Christian churches were allowed to remain — "just as the prophet allowed the Jews to remain in Khaibar after he opened [conquered] it, but once Muslims grew in strength and number, [second caliph] Omar al-Khattab drove them out according to the prophet's command, 'Drive out the Jews and Christians from the Peninsula.'"

    Germany: A potential jihadi attack on the cathedral and synagogue in Bremen was averted following action by police. Police guarded the cathedral and synagogue and searched a local Muslim cultural center.

    Iraq: Islamic State militants blew up a 10th century Chaldean Catholic church north of Mosul and bulldozed a nearby graveyard. According to Nineveh Yakou — an Assyrian Archaeologist and Director of Cultural Heritage and Indigenous Affairs at A Demand for Action — the Saint George monastery was "wiped out" by IS. The building was founded by the Assyrian Church in the 10th century but rebuilt as a seminary by the Chaldean Catholic Church in 1846. "The current monastery was built on an archeological site containing ancient Assyrian ruins. It was an important show of continuity from the Assyrian to our culture," Yakou said. "ISIS is wiping out the cultural heritage of Iraq. The monastery was classified as cultural heritage. It's a cultural and ethnic cleansing."

    Kenya: On the afternoon of February 28, in Maramande, Muslims from neighboring Somalia set a Christian church on fire. This same church was set on fire July 5, 2014, but was rebuilt in January 2015. According to its pastor, "These people do not want Christianity in this area.... They want to finish me so that Christianity will not go on here. But I will continue raising up my eyes to God for help." According to Morning Star News, "Violence in Kenya's coastal region has accelerated in the past few years. On Jan. 11 in the Mombasa area, a gunman shot a Christian dead at the gate leading to a church building, apparently after mistaking him for the church pastor. Police reportedly said the assailants could be members of an active Islamic extremist terror cell in Mombasa blamed for past gun and grenade attacks."

    Lebanon: Unidentified persons invaded Mar Elias, an ancient Maronite church in the Bekaa Valley. Along with damaging one of the church's windows, they destroyed a portion of the flooring by digging a large hole near the altar. According to Maronite Bishop Joseph Mouwad, much of the church's sacred items were left intact and not stolen. Instead, "they broke the tiles and dug the ground, apparently looking for something, though we do not know what." Fingerprints and cigarette butts were found.

    Muslim Slaughter of Christian 'Infidels'

    Central African Republic: An argument between a taxi driver and his Muslim passenger led to the slaughter of at least 16 Christians in Bangui, the nation's capital. A Muslim man known as Aladji hailed a motorcycle taxi and asked to be taken to a Muslim-dominated district of Bangui. He was carrying a bag of grenades. When the motorcycle broke down, the driver stopped to fix it, but his agitated passenger pulled out a knife and tried to stab him. The driver overpowered Aladji and killed him instead. After his body was found, Muslims marched to the Christian sector of the city where they slaughtered at least 16 Christians—some decapitated. Authorities arrested 10 members of Seleka — the almost entirely Muslim rebel group — after the killings.

    Libya: Two months after the Islamic State in Libya released a video of 21 Coptic Christians having their heads cut off for being "infidels" and "worshippers of the cross," Copts continue to be targeted and killed. Since that video was released in mid-February, at least 35 more Coptic Christians in Libya have disappeared. Further, on March 2, the beheaded body of another Egyptian Coptic Christian was discovered on the outskirts of Mechili in eastern Libya. In related news, an Egyptian professor claimed that IS received its justification to slaughter Christians in Libya from a book entitled (in translation), Christians in the Koran. The author of this book is Mahmoud Lutfi 'Amr — president of Damanhur's Ansar al-Sunna al-Muhammadiya, that is, "The Supporters of Muhammad's Example." The book was being openly sold in Islamic bookstores throughout Egypt.

    Nigeria: Upset that watchmen of St. Peter's Catholic Church in Kaduna state dared to set up a roadblock as a security measure against jihadi raids, on March 8, Nigerian soldiers opened fire on and killed five church members during Sunday Mass. According to parish member Christopher Mamman, "A soldier approached our Cadets who had mounted a blockade during Sunday morning Mass on the road leading to our parish and ordered them to dismantle the blockade. The Cadets told the soldier that Mass was going on, and they would remove the blockade as soon as it was over, but the soldier was dissatisfied with the explanation." It should be noted that hundreds of Christian churches have been attacked and Christians slaughtered during Sunday services — hence the reason for the church roadblock. Regardless, the soldier returned 10 minutes later with other soldiers: "They stormed the parish, shooting at worshipers inside the church," Mamman said. "Five of our members were shot and killed, while many others were injured. One other Christian from another church was also killed when the incident escalated and engulfed the town."

    Pakistan: A Christian mother accused police of torturing her son to death in an attempt to extract from her a confession to a theft she did not commit. Zubair Masih was buried on March 9 in a Christian cemetery in Lahore, amid a heavy police presence. He was 20. His mutilated body was found on the evening of March 7, outside his house in the Shamsabad area of Lahore. His mother, Aysha Bibi, worked until February 20 as a servant in the home of Abdul Jabbar. She said her wages had been paid in full when she left Jabbar's employment. But on March 4, she received a phone call from Jabbar's wife, asking her to return for some work: "When I went there, Jabbar took me to the Harbanspura Police Station, where I was told that I had stolen things from Jabbar's house," Bibi said. "Jabbar beat me in the police station while other policemen called me names and forced me to confess that I had stolen 35,000 rupees (about US $350) and gold ornaments weighing up to 100 grams." On March 6, she said, "the police detained my son Zubair and tortured him in front of me. When Zubair cried with pain, they told him that he would be released only if I confess the theft.... I repeatedly told the police that I had no connection with the said theft, and then they threw me out of the police station while they still detained Zubair there. The next day we found Zubair's dead body outside our house." Human rights activists say that the allegation made by her former Muslim employer is suspect because he waited a week to register his complaint with police.

    Uganda: A 16-year-old girl who fled from a Muslim uncle who beat her and her sister for converting to Christianity, died under mysterious circumstances on March 8, one day after Muslim relatives who had been searching for her found her. Namwase Aisha died at Iganga Hospital where she had been recovering from malaria after being admitted on March 2, as well as receiving further treatment for a head injury suffered on Feb. 1, when her uncle beat her and her sister with a wooden rod and locked them in a room for nearly three days without food. According to a source, "On Saturday [March 7], Muslim relatives discovered her location and visited the hospital after tracing her whereabouts for some weeks.... Aisha then was responding very well to the medication, but on Sunday morning, after receiving morning medication, she became restless, and we wondered what could have happened to her."

    Her condition continued to deteriorate until her death, said a pastor caring for her: "We suspect that the death of our sister Aisha could be related to the medication given the morning of Sunday, which has connection with the arrival of the Muslim relatives on Saturday." Church leaders considered filing a case against the hospital but felt it would lead to more friction with Muslims, they said.

    Aisha received a Christian burial near the area to which she had fled. "As we took Aisha to the burial site, her body was swollen and smelling of drugs, which is an indication that her body could have been injected with unknown drug," said her pastor. Two years earlier, another convert to Christianity in Uganda was attacked by his Muslim family, including an aunt who poisoned his drink with insecticide.

    Dhimmitude: Generic Contempt and Hostility

    Egypt: "Unknown persons" set fire to the parked car of Fr. Ayub Yusif, the priest of the Saint George Coptic Catholic Church in the village of Dalga, Minya, Upper Egypt. By the time authorities put out the fire, the car was completely charred. Dalga has been the scene of many attacks on Christians. Back in September 2013, for example, Muslim Brotherhood supporters forced Coptic households to pay jizya -- Islamic "protection money" extorted from Christians and other non-Muslim subjects of the Islamic state. Then, Fr. Ayub, the same priest whose car was recently torched, complained of how the Muslim Brotherhood was abusing the Christians of the village.

    Kazakhstan: A drug and alcohol rehabilitation center run by Christians in the village of Sychevka, Pavlodar Region, was fined and closed down for three months after a court order claimed that the center was "conducting illegal activities," including religious worship. This charge, which the center denies, was made after police seized 18 Christian books and other materials in a raid on March 9. The center had housed 14 residents, all of whom had freely chosen to reside there and could leave at any time. Eight of the residents, scared after being questioned several times, decided to leave after police raided the center last year.

    Kenya: Muslims from Somalia attacked two Christian siblings, a brother and sister, in their home. According to the brother (name withheld): "The attackers made a knock at the door, and my sister decided to go and open the door, only to be hit with a blunt sharp object near the forehead. My sister fell down screaming, and I decided to rush in to help. Just at the door, I was hit on my right hand, and I fell down." When neighbors rushed to the scene, Somali-speaking assailants fled. While doing so, one of the neighbors heard them saying, "We do not want hard-haired [derogatory for Kenyan] Christians in our region — they should go back to where they came from. We shall soon come back again." Less than a year earlier, the siblings' father had been murdered, also by Somali-speaking Muslims.

    Syria: The International Society of St. Vincent de Paul, a Catholic organization, reported that some of its members in Syria were kidnapped by the Islamic State and told that if the adults do not deny their Christian faith, they will be decapitated and "their children burned alive in cages." According to Sister Monique, of the Vincentian Daughters of Charity: "Late Sunday afternoon on 1 March 2015, I received a message from M. Francoise, a delegate of the International Society of St. Vincent de Paul [in Rome], and I managed to reach her by telephone. She was leaving for Paris, and collapsed at the news she had just received: members of the Society of Saint Vincent de Paul in Syria were kidnapped, along with their wives and children. The children were isolated and put into cages. Adults who do not deny their faith will be decapitated, and their children burned alive in the cages." The fate of most of those kidnapped Christians, well over 200, remains unknown.

    About this Series

    While not all, or even most, Muslims are involved, persecution of Christians is expanding. "Muslim Persecution of Christians" was developed to collate some — by no means all — of the instances of persecution that surface each month.

    It documents what the mainstream media often fails to report.

    It posits that such persecution is not random but systematic, and takes place in all languages, ethnicities and locations.

    Raymond Ibrahim is author of Crucified Again: Exposing Islam's New War in Christians (published by Regnery in cooperation with Gatestone Institute, April 2013).
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    Romans 12

    19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, "Vengeance is mine; I will repay", saith the Lord.
    Deuteronomy 32

    35 To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.

    ...

    41 If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.

    42 I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.

    43 Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.
    Revelation 6

    The Fifth Seal: Martyrs

    9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

    The Sixth Seal: Terror

    12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
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    This shows that even in these terrible places there are still a few churches with attendence in the 1000's. Their very existence shows that a good protion of the muslims in those countries do not try to stop them. It's the few that prey on innocents. I don't see any real way to deal with these evil people other than to let the locals take care of it. The "people" in those countries have to make the changes. There's absolutely NO WAY we could try to take out the "bad guys" without killing lots of "good guys". When killing good guys you just make their families into more bad guys...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    This shows that even in these terrible places there are still a few churches with attendence in the 1000's. Their very existence shows that a good protion of the muslims in those countries do not try to stop them. It's the few that prey on innocents. I don't see any real way to deal with these evil people other than to let the locals take care of it. The "people" in those countries have to make the changes. There's absolutely NO WAY we could try to take out the "bad guys" without killing lots of "good guys". When killing good guys you just make their families into more bad guys...
    Yeah, its just a few of them.

    Policy Exchange: One third of British Muslims believe anyone who leaves Islam should be killed
    http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/Sharia...eLawForAll.pdf

    Pew Research (2010): 84% of Egyptian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
    86% of Jordanian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
    30% of Indonesian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
    76% of Pakistanis support death the penalty for leaving Islam
    51% of Nigerian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
    http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

    Die Presse (2013): 1 in 5 Muslims in Austria believe that anyone wanting to leave Islam should be killed.
    http://muslimstatistics.wordpress.co...ose-democracy/

    Pew Research (2013): 76% of South Asian Muslims and 56% of Egyptians advocate killing anyone who leaves the Islamic religion.
    http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFile...ull-report.pdf
    NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...ate=2011-04-06

    ICM Poll: 37% of British Muslims believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target."
    25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
    http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

    World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
    32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
    41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
    38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
    83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
    62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
    42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
    http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi..._Feb09_rpt.pdf

    Pew Research (2014): 47% of Bangladeshi Muslims says suicide bombings and violence are justified to "defend Islam". 1 in 4 believed the same in Tanzania and Egypt. 1 in 5 Muslims in the 'moderate' countries of Turkey and Malaysia.
    http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01/...n-middle-east/

    34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
    http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

    Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
    35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
    42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
    22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
    29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
    http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/mu...ns.pdf#page=60

    Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified.
    http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/mu...ns.pdf#page=60
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    We should stop funding Israel who supports these terrorists!

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    Quote Originally Posted by twomp View Post
    We should stop funding Israel who supports these terrorists!
    You're gonna put a lot of lobbyists out of work.
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    And pay attention to what the report says about the cowardice (my word) of both the Bush and Obama administrations in dealing with the suffering of Christians that’s the direct result of US policy and actions.
    The US proxy war on MENA Christians continues apace
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ontinues-apace

    Then along came George W. Bush, lock-step support of his wars ... and the Middle East will never be the same again either. Because as we speak, Christians are literally being wiped off the ME map. "Collateral damage" in the war on Muslims.
    [...]
    "Where is the outrage?" There can't be any outrage. Conservative Pro-War Orthodoxy forbids it. Just ask the (supposedly) former-communist David Horowitz. War has no undesirable consequences. War gnosticism trumps Christianity. War is America!

    There is nothing remotely "conservative" about war. War is pro-government, pro-despot, pro-collectivist, pro-revolutionary, pro-inflation, anti-society, and anti-Christian. Nation-building is pro-central planning and utopian. Nation-building is the very definition of "to immanentize the eschaton."

    Today, thanks to the blind support of a war that allowed American blood to be shed to build an Islamic State, Christians are being eradicated to make the Middle East wholly Islamic for the first time in history.

    How will this lead to peace with the West?

    It won't.
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post






    The US proxy war on MENA Christians continues apace
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ontinues-apace

    Then along came George W. Bush, lock-step support of his wars ... and the Middle East will never be the same again either. Because as we speak, Christians are literally being wiped off the ME map. "Collateral damage" in the war on Muslims.
    [...]
    "Where is the outrage?" There can't be any outrage. Conservative Pro-War Orthodoxy forbids it. Just ask the (supposedly) former-communist David Horowitz. War has no undesirable consequences. War gnosticism trumps Christianity. War is America!

    There is nothing remotely "conservative" about war. War is pro-government, pro-despot, pro-collectivist, pro-revolutionary, pro-inflation, anti-society, and anti-Christian. Nation-building is pro-central planning and utopian. Nation-building is the very definition of "to immanentize the eschaton."

    Today, thanks to the blind support of a war that allowed American blood to be shed to build an Islamic State, Christians are being eradicated to make the Middle East wholly Islamic for the first time in history.

    How will this lead to peace with the West?

    It won't.
    The one thing I disagree with here is the notion that this is new and unpredecented, as if this is the first time this has happened. Muslim extremists, going back to Muhammad himself, have been doing the same horrible things for 1,400 yrs. Its offensive to the millions and millions of victims of this ideology to act like its something new that was simply caused by the West. It is a total myth to say that Islamic radicalism started with the Christian Crusades or WWI or anything else. Muhammad radicalized Islam, and the crazy savage tribes that killed Muhammad's ppl radicalized Muhammad, and the crazy ppl who who radicalized the crazy ppl who killed Muhammad's family radicalized the ppl who killed Muhammad's family when he was a kid. We can play the radicalization and blame-shifting game all day long, but you can never show that Islam was peaceful or more peaceful before w/e Western intervention you're blaming radical Islam on. Intervention and wars always make things worse, but that doesn't change the violent Islamist ideology that started with Muhammad.

    And btw, the Ottoman Empire was an expansionist aggressor in World War I, and Muslims invaded nearly all of Europe (they fought in Ireland and Scandinavia) over 400 yrs before the Crusades began (to take back Constantinople/Istanbul and Jerusalem). I'm not defending anything Westerners/Christians did, but to blame anyone but Islamists for what Islamists do is absurd, it infantilizes the Muslim world, its pretending that Muslims aren't responsible for starting wars, slaughtering millions and forcing their religion onto others (going back to Muhammad, who radicalized Islam, and was himself radicalized by the crazies that murdered his parents growing up).

    Seriously, you cannot show peaceful, non-radical Islam before the Bush wars, or before World War I, or before the Crusades, or anything else. Islamists love to blame the ppl they attack for all the wars that Muslims start. They literally argue that Muhammad's (and his successors') massive conquests and genocide were wars of self-defense against all of the Middle East and North Africa, and now they call any infidel who dares to criticize Sharia law a blasphemer and "Crusader" who should be executed, and somehow leftists and radical antiwar ppl fall for this silly propaganda that the Islamic world is the victim. You simply cannot show a peaceful Islamic world before Western intervention. You can show all the stupidity of Western intervention, you can't show that its responsible for this ideology. So to say that "Christians are being eradicated to make the Middle East wholly Islamic for the first time in history," as if anything ISIS does is new, is absurd. Muhammad and his successors have been wiping out infidel populations for thousands of yrs, none of this is new. Go look at Saudi Arabia, the land Muhammad came from; you can only be Muslim there. How do you think that happened? You can't just cite one episode out of thousands of yrs of Islamic genocide and then claim that this is our fault. This is on them.
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    Hail to the one we selected as commander,
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    Quote Originally Posted by OReich View Post
    Yeah, its just a few of them.

    Policy Exchange: One third of British Muslims believe anyone who leaves Islam should be killed
    http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/Sharia...eLawForAll.pdf

    Pew Research (2010): 84% of Egyptian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
    86% of Jordanian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
    30% of Indonesian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
    76% of Pakistanis support death the penalty for leaving Islam
    51% of Nigerian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
    http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

    Die Presse (2013): 1 in 5 Muslims in Austria believe that anyone wanting to leave Islam should be killed.
    http://muslimstatistics.wordpress.co...ose-democracy/

    Pew Research (2013): 76% of South Asian Muslims and 56% of Egyptians advocate killing anyone who leaves the Islamic religion.
    http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFile...ull-report.pdf
    NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...ate=2011-04-06

    ICM Poll: 37% of British Muslims believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target."
    25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
    http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

    World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
    32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
    41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
    38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
    83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
    62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
    42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
    http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi..._Feb09_rpt.pdf

    Pew Research (2014): 47% of Bangladeshi Muslims says suicide bombings and violence are justified to "defend Islam". 1 in 4 believed the same in Tanzania and Egypt. 1 in 5 Muslims in the 'moderate' countries of Turkey and Malaysia.
    http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01/...n-middle-east/

    34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
    http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

    Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
    35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
    42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
    22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
    29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
    http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/mu...ns.pdf#page=60

    Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified.
    http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/mu...ns.pdf#page=60
    Can't say that I have much confidence in any of these polls. Polls are manipulated. Polls are inaccurate. Polls are polls. I'm certainly not saying that there are NO muslims who want to chop off peoples heads but I really doubt it's as high as published above. What am I using as my "source"? My brain. I can reason. I can think. I've seen nothing but BS from the media, the scholars and scientists for over 50 years. I'm not about to trust others to make my mind up for me. I've known some muslims (yeah, not a billion) and I've seen some propaganda (no, a LOT of propaganda). I'm jaded, that's for sure but maybe it's to help me get a healthy skepticism of everything being fed to me. I've traveled the world and one thing I've found is that MOST people just want to raise their family and give them a good life. Yeah, there's some sicko's out there. I'm sure some of them claim to be "muslim" and some claim to be "Chistian". If you do sick things you need to be stopped. That's what the second amendment is for...
    BEWARE THE CULT OF "GOVERNMENT"

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