Border Surge Drives up Enrollment in NYC Schools

[LibertyEagle]

UPDATED: Thu, AUG 27th 2015 @ 1:09 pm EDT

The NYC Department of Education told the schools that it plans to enroll 2,350 illegal alien children this year, with more to come. This is after the 5,000 children that ended up in New York state after last year's surge of unaccompanied minors across the border. NYC has already invested $50 million of taxpayer funding for the 1,662 minors that came across the border during the summer.

Parents are worried about the current strain this increase of students will have on their children's education.

https://www.numbersusa.com/news/bord...nt-nyc-schools

[RonPaulMall]

Absolutely ridiculous that they allow illegals in public schools. The condition of the border wouldn't be half as important as it is if these idiot politicians weren't handing them freebies once they get in.

[LibertyEagle]

Not only allow. The federal government forces them to accept them.

[erowe1]

Absolutely ridiculous that they allow illegals in public schools.

It's absolutely ridiculous that they allow public schools to exist at all.

But given that they do, what does a student's immigration status have to do with anything?

[erowe1]

Why would NumbersUSA fans be here? I don't get it. If you're anti-immigration, and that's one of your most important issues, then according to NumbersUSA's own ratings, Ron Paul was the worst Republican of the bunch in 2012, and Rand is close to the worst for 2016.

[LibertyEagle]

Why would NumbersUSA fans be here? I don't get it. If you're anti-immigration, and that's one of your most important issues, then according to NumbersUSA's own ratings, Ron Paul was the worst Republican of the bunch in 2012, and Rand is close to the worst for 2016.

Neither Ron or Rand advocate for open borders.

It's absolutely ridiculous that they allow public schools to exist at all.

But given that they do, what does a student's immigration status have to do with anything?

To a communist-sympathizer or useful idiot for the world government crowd, probably not much.

Americans are being forced to pay for foreigners to attend public schools. If you can't see a problem with that, there is no hope for you.

[RonPaulMall]

Why would NumbersUSA fans be here? I don't get it. If you're anti-immigration, and that's one of your most important issues, then according to NumbersUSA's own ratings, Ron Paul was the worst Republican of the bunch in 2012, and Rand is close to the worst for 2016.

Congressional Scorecards are by and large pure B.S because they can't handle nuance. Ron is for securing the border, against birthright citizenship, and against any benefits (including public education) for illegals. He was among the strongest advocates for national sovereignty that ever served in the US Congress and no scorecard can change that. Ron got crappy grades on "free trade" too even though he was the only Congressman who stood for pure free trade all because he opposed a few managed trade bills. Abortion is another example. Ron's proposal to strip the Federal Judiciary of jurisdiction over abortion was not only the only practical way to reverse Roe v. Wade, but it would have done it overnight via simple majority vote of Congress. Yet the same allegedly "pro-life" Republicans that ignored his call when the GOP controlled both Houses and the Presidency got the same stellar A+ ratings that Ron got, as if there were no difference between their phony, just for show, pro-life bills and Ron's deadly serious one!

[erowe1]

Neither Ron or Rand advocate for open borders.

Gee, when you put it in a vague and meaningless platitude like that. Sure. But maybe you should check out what NumbersUSA says about both of them if you think they stand for the same things they do.

To a communist-sympathizer or useful idiot for the world government crowd, probably not much.

What about to someone who's none of those things? It was just a question. Do you have an answer?

[erowe1]

Congressional Scorecards are by and large pure B.S because they can't handle nuance. Ron is for securing the border, against birthright citizenship, and against any benefits (including public education) for illegals.

Absolutely true on all those except "securing the border," which is just a meaningless slogan until you look at the specifics of how someone means to do it (which in Ron Paul's case is practically nothing).

All the other things you list are just pure libertarian suggestions that comport fully with an open-borders stance, which is why NumbersUSA hates him. It's not just that he got bad scores on account of votes that fail to account for nuance. It's the exact opposite of that. In fact, his voting record in Congress was good according to them. It's that they hate his actual positions, as explained by him in his own words with all the nuances. They want someone who supports policies that would effectively reduce total immigration, who would effectively enforce current laws, especially through workplace enforcement, and who supports deporting immigrants and enacting policies that motivate them to self-deport. Ron Paul fails to satisfy them in all those respects. And Rand does too.

[Christian Liberty]

As I watch this I'm just laughing at the fact that I'm the one who's considered a tyrant around here.

Once you understand presuppositionalism you start to realize just how ridiculous all of this is...

[Acala]

But given that they do, what does a student's immigration status have to do with anything?

Because they are impurifying and sapping our precious bodily fluids! And wrecking our wonderful public indoctrination system.

[LibertyEagle]

So, you guys think it's fine to force American citizens to pay to educate foreigners who entered our country illegally?

[erowe1]

So, you guys think it's fine to force American citizens to pay to educate foreigners who entered our country illegally?

No. It's not fine for anybody to have to pay for anybody else's education. Whether or not they're in the country legally has no bearing on that.

An American citizen shouldn't have to pay for another American citizen's education.
An American citizen shouldn't have to pay for a non-citizen's education.
A non-citizen shouldn't have to pay for an American citizen's education.
A non-citizen shouldn't have to pay for another non-citizen's education.

It's wrong that American citizens are being taxed to pay for other peoples' educations. It's also wrong that non-citizens are being taxed to pay for other peoples' educations.

Whether or not anyone's a citizen, and who is and isn't, has no relevance to the fact that nobody should have to pay for anybody else's education.

Non-citizens should not be allowed in public schools.
American citizens should not be allowed in public schools.
Nobody should be allowed in public schools. There should not be any public schools.

[Acala]

So, you guys think it's fine to force American citizens to pay to educate foreigners who entered our country illegally?

Are you intentionally misrepresenting what erowe1 wrote?

[Acala]

No. It's not fine for anybody to have to pay for anybody else's education. Whether or not they're in the country legally has no bearing on that.

An American citizen shouldn't have to pay for another American citizen's education.
An American citizen shouldn't have to pay for a non-citizen's education.
A non-citizen shouldn't have to pay for an American citizen's education.
A non-citizen shouldn't have to pay for another non-citizen's education.

Whether or not anyone's a citizen, and who is and isn't, has no relevance to the fact that nobody should have to pay for anybody else's education.

Exactly. The immigration status is a red herring. And an awful lot of hounds that should know better are chasing it.

[Ender]

Are you intentionally misrepresenting what erowe1 wrote?

Always.

Public education was created to make compliant factory workers- looks like it is a massive success.

[Danke]

No. It's not fine for anybody to have to pay for anybody else's education. Whether or not they're in the country legally has no bearing on that.

An American citizen shouldn't have to pay for another American citizen's education.
An American citizen shouldn't have to pay for a non-citizen's education.
A non-citizen shouldn't have to pay for an American citizen's education.
A non-citizen shouldn't have to pay for another non-citizen's education.

It's wrong that American citizens are being taxed to pay for other peoples' educations. It's also wrong that non-citizens are being taxed to pay for other peoples' educations.

Whether or not anyone's a citizen, and who is and isn't, has no relevance to the fact that nobody should have to pay for anybody else's education.

Non-citizens should not be allowed in public schools.
American citizens should not be allowed in public schools.
Nobody should be allowed in public schools. There should not be any public schools.

There are long term goals, and then there are practical ways to decrease or at least not increase my taxes.

[erowe1]

There are long term goals, and then there are practical ways to decrease or at least not increase my taxes.

How practical is it really though? What papers should a public school require every student to present in order to prove they're here legally?

[Danke]

How practical is it really though? What papers should a public school require every student to present in order to prove they're here legally?

http://immigration.findlaw.com/citiz...tizenship.html

[Brian4Liberty]

It's absolutely ridiculous that they allow public schools to exist at all.

But given that they do, what does a student's immigration status have to do with anything?

Given that welfare already exists, what does a recipient's immigration status have to do with anything?

Given that food stamps, SNAP, WIC, EBT already exists, what does a recipient's immigration status have to do with anything?

Given that Social Security already exists, what does a recipient's immigration status have to do with anything?

Given that Medicare, Medicaid, GPA, Obamacare and other programs already exist, what does a recipient's immigration status have to do with anything?

[erowe1]

Given that welfare already exists, what does a recipient's immigration status have to do with anything?

Given that food stamps, SNAP, WIC, EBT already exists, what does a recipient's immigration status have to do with anything?

Given that Social Security already exists, what does a recipient's immigration status have to do with anything?

Given that Medicare, Medicaid, GPA, Obamacare and other programs already exist, what does a recipient's immigration status have to do with anything?

Exactly. All those issues are one thing. Immigration is something else entirely. They have nothing to do with each other.

It would be strange for me to see someone here get outraged that illegal immigrants get those things and then be any less outraged that citizens get them.

Like Danke said, we can use it as a short-term step to commit less tax dollars to those things. But beyond that, to act like there's some difference between having money redistributed to someone who happens to be a citizen and having it redistributed to someone who doesn't, is to confuse things.

[Sola_Fide]

It would be strange for me to see someone here get outraged that illegal immigrants get those things and then be any less outraged that citizens get them.

Exactly. Talk about completely misplaced outrage.

[Christian Liberty]

So little basic presup in this thread...

[RonPaulIsGreat]

Great News! That extra few hundred bucks I didn't know what to do with, now has a place to go! Excellent.

[RonPaulMall]

Like Danke said, we can use it as a short-term step to commit less tax dollars to those things. But beyond that, to act like there's some difference between having money redistributed to someone who happens to be a citizen and having it redistributed to someone who doesn't, is to confuse things.

You are missing the most important point. All these freebies are what is driving the invasion of illegals. It isn't just about government spending in general. This is government spending the elites are using to displace the American people and build their new world order utopia. Cut off the freebies, the illegals will stop coming, and those already here will leave.

[Dianne]

They are sick in New York. If NY and CA could disappear from the Universe, this country might have a chance of surviving.

[phill4paul]

Americans are being forced to pay for foreigners to attend public schools.

And "illegals" are the problem.

[phill4paul]

So, you guys think it's fine to force American citizens to pay to educate foreigners who entered our country illegally?

And "illegals" are the problem.

[Danke]

And "illegals" are the problem.

Be honest, she didn't say that. But they are adding to an existing problem.

[LibertyEagle]

And "illegals" are the problem.

They are a problem, yes. Are they the source of the problem? No. But, while we try to fix the source of the problem, adding in the illegals, shortens the time we have to fix it.

I don't particularly care to live in a 3rd world country. Perhaps you do.