Should Trump supporters be banned from this forum?

[Brett85]

Sorry, but I'm getting really annoyed with the Trump supporters and how they act here. All they do is constantly talk about Trump and never offer anything of substance. They're supporting a big government statist who's a sworn enemy of liberty. That makes them enemies of liberty as well. Should we allow enemies of liberty to post here? Thoughts?

[LibertyEagle]

No, but maybe we should have a poll whether those recommending such things should be banned.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

doing something like that would just encourage people to like trump more

[Brett85]

No, but maybe we should have a poll whether those recommending such things should be banned.

Go ahead. And if you want to defend a big government statist like Trump, be my guest. I'm just sick of it.

[LibertyEagle]

Go ahead. And if you want to defend a big government statist like Trump, be my guest. I'm just sick of it.

Then don't read it.

[Brett85]

Then don't read it.

I thought this was a forum for people who support liberty and advocate liberty? How can someone possibly be a supporter of liberty and support someone like Trump? Ron Paul said himself that Trump is the exact opposite of a libertarian.

[LibertyEagle]

I thought this was a forum for people who support liberty and advocate liberty? How can someone possibly be a supporter of liberty and support someone like Trump? Ron Paul said himself that Trump is the exact opposite of a libertarian.

This forum isn't just for libertarians and quite frankly, libertarians don't have the corner on liberty. In fact, some work directly against it.

[Brett85]

This forum isn't just for libertarians and quite frankly, libertarians don't have the corner on liberty. In fact, some work directly against it.

Donald Trump isn't even a conservative, let alone a libertarian. He was for Obama's stimulus, for the bank bailouts, for the auto bailouts, for a single payer healthcare system, etc. He's the exact opposite of someone who believes in liberty and limited government. He's the exact opposite of a conservative as well. He's a big government liberal. No one who supports his candidacy for President could possibly be someone who believes in liberty and limited government.

[Brian4Liberty]

Support of Trump and calling Rand names are certainly frowned upon in Rand's Sub-forum.

[Anti Federalist]

No.

Let them have their fun.

When the Trump-gasm has shot its wad, they'll wash out their mouths, sigh and quietly vote Jeb.

[acptulsa]

Depends. The spammers need to be banned.

We allow the competition to send their paid shills here so we can practice destroying them. But when they start posting the same previously debunked lies in multiple forums, then they aren't just shills any more, they're spammers. And at that point, we are no longer teaching each how to disarm these arguments. Instead, we're being held hostage by litterbugs. If we go out into the wider world, lies pile up in our own front yard.

I see no reason why we should put up with that.

That's why free speech has never been frowned upon here, but 'low value' (repetitive) posts have led to a great many being banned. And I say we evolved to do it that way for good reasons. That ain't broke. Don't fix it.

[juleswin]

Ban them all, if its possible and make note of their ip addresses and make sure they wouldn't be able to ever return to this site. These backstabbers are worse that establishment voters since they have indeed woken up and then went straight back to being duped by the same establishment type politicians they supposedly woke up to.

[heavenlyboy34]

There are certain people on the RPFs who seriously advocate shooting illegal aliens when they cross the border. Trump supporters are way down the list of people to be concerned about 'round here IMHO.

[Brett85]

There are certain people on the RPFs who seriously advocate shooting illegal aliens when they cross the border. Trump supporters are way down the list of people to be concerned about 'round here IMHO.

They're probably one and the same. The Trump supporters here seem to be one issue voters who believe that Trump's hardline stance on illegal immigration trumps his liberal positions on all of the other issues.

[Natural Citizen]

libertarians don't have the corner on liberty. In fact, some work directly against it.

eeeeeyep. I see a lot of active work against a genuine free market principle, too. And, ironically, in the name of liberty. Is disgraceful. Transparent as it is I think its still disgraceful. And it's interesting because these friends will expose themselves without pause there if one baits them into it by way of initiating a theoretical position on a given issue. I've done it just to see. Works. A lot of times some of our "libertarian" friends will promote a mercantilist model in the name of a free market. This is, of course, an illusion. A stalking horse scenario. Very disingenuous.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Depends. The spammers need to be banned.

We allow the competition to send their paid shills here so we can practice destroying them. But when they start posting the same previously debunked lies in multiple forums, then they aren't just shills any more, they're spammers. And at that point, we are no longer teaching each how to disarm these arguments. Instead, we're being held hostage by litterbugs. If we go out into the wider world, lies pile up in our own front yard.

I see no reason why we should put up with that.

That's why free speech has never been frowned upon here, but 'low value' (repetitive) posts have led to a great many being banned. And I say we evolved to do it that way for good reasons. That ain't broke. Don't fix it.

Every time a forum member here uses the word debunk, I have this picture in my head of Glenn Beck literally regurgitating $#@! from his mouth all over the camera.

[Natural Citizen]

Every time a forum member here uses the word debunk, I have this picture in my head of Glenn Beck literally regurgitating $#@! from his mouth all over the camera.

I don't like that term either. It gets thrown out a lot. And most times I think it just gets thrown out there in order to avoid further discussion with regard to a given subject or issue. 9 times out of 10 the person saying they debunked something you can go back through the forum and see where they actually got their rear end handed to them on the given subject. I like to go back and bump those discussions whenever someone throws out the notion that they debunked something. I find that we understand one another a bit better that way while the terms of controversy remain intact.

[dannno]

No.

Let them have their fun.

When the Trump-gasm has shot its wad, they'll wash out their mouths, sigh and quietly vote Jeb.

Ya I don't even care if a Jeb supporter posts here - as long as they are polite and obey forum rules.

[Sola_Fide]

Sorry, but I'm getting really annoyed with the Trump supporters and how they act here. All they do is constantly talk about Trump and never offer anything of substance. They're supporting a big government statist who's a sworn enemy of liberty. That makes them enemies of liberty as well. Should we allow enemies of liberty to post here? Thoughts?

Just give them neg reps.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Ya I don't even care if a Jeb supporter posts here - as long as they are polite and obey forum rules.

I remember getting banned from Mitt Romney fan sites immediately. Some even had filters to block Ron Paul as if it was a swear word.

[Lord Xar]

Perhaps create a Sub-Forum titled... "TRUMP TRUTH"... and it is inevitable that those supporting trump would go in there and see what it is about....

I mean, you can only live with cognitive dissonance so long before reality sets in, and you finally have that "AHA" moment... I think we could wisen up some of them..
To even fathom that trump is a conservative, let alone a republican is assanine.... my guess is these trump supporters do NO research on him, have no clue.... let them find out.. in a TRUMP sub-forum.. where there is only TRUMP TRUTHS.... showing his distaste for true conservative values.

I know the Breitbart types love him because they think he will do something about the border AND the fact he wants to turn the brown people in the middle east into a pile of bones.. they love blood, and ignorance over there. A LOT of Israel firster types... love them some welfare.

[LibertyEagle]

There are certain people on the RPFs who seriously advocate shooting illegal aliens when they cross the border. Trump supporters are way down the list of people to be concerned about 'round here IMHO.

Yup, I advocate the Border Patrol being able to do that. Absolutely.

[Omphfullas Zamboni]

Trump supporters, Sanders supporters–this place just needs to be busier.

[Origanalist]

No. You losers and beta males are just going to have to get used to it.

[Brett85]

Perhaps create a Sub-Forum titled... "TRUMP TRUTH"... and it is inevitable that those supporting trump would go in there and see what it is about....

I mean, you can only live with cognitive dissonance so long before reality sets in, and you finally have that "AHA" moment... I think we could wisen up some of them..
To even fathom that trump is a conservative, let alone a republican is assanine.... my guess is these trump supporters do NO research on him, have no clue.... let them find out.. in a TRUMP sub-forum.. where there is only TRUMP TRUTHS.... showing his distaste for true conservative values.

I know the Breitbart types love him because they think he will do something about the border AND the fact he wants to turn the brown people in the middle east into a pile of bones.. they love blood, and ignorance over there. A LOT of Israel firster types... love them some welfare.

It really just seems like some conservatives or paleo libertarians or whatever will support Trump as long as he comes out and says that illegal immigrants are rapists, and it doesn't even matter what he says on anything else. He can be in favor of a single payer healthcare system, bailouts, stimulus spending, gun control, and practically every other liberal policy and they simply don't care. But Donald Trump calls illegal immigrants rapists and calls Rosie O'Donnell fat, and that's the only conservative principle that matters, because Donald Trump is being very anti "politically correct." Calling people names and demeaning and insulting people is now a more important conservative principle than reducing the size and scope of government. It's truly the most absurd thing I've ever seen in American politics.

[acptulsa]

Some are too insipid to realize there are other ways to fix the employment situation than deporting people, yes. Others just automatically fall in love with whomever the media plays up. Some want the country to burn. Some just want the GOP to lose. And some just want to be entertained, period.



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[cajuncocoa]

No, but maybe we should have a poll whether those recommending such things should be banned.

LMAO at this. How hard did you try to have me banned just for questioning things about Rand? What is it about Donald Trump that excites you so much? His speech about getting Mexicans out of the U.S.?

[luctor-et-emergo]

We don't ban other liberals do we ?

[GunnyFreedom]

Banned? No, but I would like to see all the Trump spam quarantined somewhere so that people who come here to decide whether they want to support Paul or not don't get turned off and sent packing to Ted Cruz.

[CPUd]

The Trumpsters aren't really that bad if they keep it in the 2016 forum, even the occasional post or 2 in the Rand forum can be done with no problems. The main issue is with the Rand concern trolling, this is driving people away from the site even faster than the fundies and race baiters.