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Thread: Did the U.S. government foster the creation of ISIS?

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    Did the U.S. government foster the creation of ISIS?

    https://www.downsizedc.org/blog/isis...expose-us-role

    That's what Downsize DC says. There are links to a declassified document from Judicial Watch that they say proves it. I'm not so sure it does, but it sure sounds like the government knew what was going to happen and they were funding/arming the rebels which led to it. So, is that the same thing? Maybe so. See what you think.
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    Please report to the re-education camp at your earliest convenience. BTW: how many know the difference between ISIS and ISIL ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Please report to the re-education camp at your earliest convenience. BTW: how many know the difference between ISIS and ISIL ?
    How about reading the information, before posting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    How about reading the information, before posting.
    Why so serious ? Do you think this is news for anyone on this site ?

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    Why Western media has been mostly quiet about Holocaust of Arab Christians in Syria/Iraq?




    Syrian Civil War Fueling Bloody Resurgence of Al Qaeda in Iraq

    Syrian Civil War Fueling Bloody Resurgence of Al Qaeda in Iraq. August 16, 2013. Syrian War Fueling Attacks by Al Qaeda in Iraq, Officials Say. Michael R.

    Obama's $195 Million Aid Package for Al Qaeda-Led Syrian Rebels
    http://www.theblaze.com/.../obamas-1...-led...‎
    Aug 8, 2013 - President Barack Obama's announcement of an additional $195 million in humanitarian and food aid to Syrian rebels came a day after Al ...

    Obama Waives Ban on Arming Terrorists to Aid Syrian Rebels
    3 days ago - When I first highlighted the fact that the rebels in Syria had large al-Qaeda elements to it back in December of last year, most people thought it ...





    Syrian in Israeli hospital: ‘Most fighters know they will get good care here’

    By REUTERS
    09/15/2013 02:43

    IDF mum on how the steady flow of wounded from the Syria civil war enter Israel, looking for treatment.


    Israeli nurse treating a Syrian patient in Nahariya, September 2013. Photo: Reuters
    http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Syr...re-here-326110

    Israel Rescues Al-Qaeda Terrorists From Syria
    Fighters being treated in field hospitals and sent back to front lines
    Paul Joseph Watson
    May 9, 2013


    Syria: The Strange US/Israel/Al-Qaeda Ménage à Trois
    aniel McAdams at 15:44 pm EDT on September 28, 2012
    A little more than a week after the extremists linked to Al-Qaeda by our own US government set up and murdered Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has announced that the United States would send an additional $45 million to the very same Al-Qaeda’s Syrian franchise.
    Yes you read that right: The US is sending another $45 million to assist in Syria the same people it is fighting in Afghanistan and the same people who killed US Ambassador Chris Stevens in Libya.
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/...enage-a-trois/



    ISIS = Revolution Muslim 2.0

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    Then they went on a fear propaganda campaign so effective that they even had people on these very forums so scared for their lives that they advocated air strikes. Good job sheeps!

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    Sounds like some of that cwazy conspiracy theory talk.

    Seriously though, that doesn't even need to be a question.

    Of course "they" did, "they" have been doing $#@! like that since the end of WW2.



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    Yep absolutely.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    https://www.downsizedc.org/blog/isis...expose-us-role

    That's what Downsize DC says. There are links to a declassified document from Judicial Watch that they say proves it. I'm not so sure it does, but it sure sounds like the government knew what was going to happen and they were funding/arming the rebels which led to it. So, is that the same thing? Maybe so. See what you think.
    But those "rebels" were really Al Qaeda and the Pentagon, CIA, DIA, NSA, et al, knew that perfectly well. This nothing but a Kissinger stratagem.

    "Fool me once, shame on ... shame on you. Fool me... You can't get fooled again!" -- George Bush Jr.
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    The reason American government created and helped create ISIS with the help of the Saudis is because Syria, Assad was getting to close to victory their beloved Freedom fighter terrorists.

    They needed a excuse so they could use to return and ISIS was prefect. Majority of ISIS fighters are failures in life, rapists, killers.

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    Probable Cause with Sibel Edmonds- How Gladio Morphed Its Al Qaeda Brand into ISIS- A Step-By-Step Illustration
    A Gladio-Mainstream Media Partnership: The Recycling & Establishment of Designed Terror Brands
    http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2015....fPSyfw7h.dpuf

    In this episode we discuss branding and promoting terror organization brands. Specifically, we discuss how the deep-state and its partner, the media, go about designing, creating, branding and marketing self-created terror organization brands. Even more specifically, we look into two deep-state-created terror organization brands: Al Qaeda & ISIS. With vivid examples we illustrate the re-branding of the Al Qaeda Terror Corporation into the ISIS Terror Corporation. We provide comparison between the 2002-2003 Al Qaeda media marketing archives and the 2013-2015 ISIS media marketing coverage, and establish the uncanny sameness between the two brands.
    Sibel Edmonds: ISIS Is US
    As the US prepares a military coup in Turkey.
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/podcast/...ds-isis-is-us/

    What is the Gladio-CIA Plan for Turkey- The Potential for Another Military Coup?
    http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2015...ds-isis-is-us/

    Sibel Edmonds joins Lew Rockwell and provides her analyses on the current political turmoil in Turkey, the Gladio-CIA plans for Turkey, including setting the stage for yet another military coup.

    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
    --Albert J. Nock

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    Onion Explains: The Terrifying Growth Of ISIS

    http://www.theonion.com/video/isis-51138

    What motivates the brutal terrorist group to commit its atrocities and how does it use technology to spread fear worldwide? The Onion explains the horrifying spread of ISIS

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    Dude, you're quoting the Onion? You know all they do is satire, right?
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    I wrote an article over a year ago explicitly calling out Obama and Hillary for supporting Al-Qaeda in Libya and Syria. This is hardly breaking news.

    Lost in the array of scandals, embarrassments, and lies concerning the Incident at Benghazi is important context: at the time he was killed, Ambassador Stevens was arranging for American weapons (surface-to-air missiles, no less) to be transferred, through Turkey, to Al-Qaeda "rebels" in Syria. This was not the first time the Obama administration used the US military to support Al-Qaeda groups. Previously, in Libya (which is still a complete mess), the United States found itself an ally of such forces, against Muammar Gaddafi. In Afghanistan, where the raison d'ètre of our deployment is to fight the Al-Qaeda and the Taliban, the US knowingly provides hundreds of millions of dollars of military contracts to Al-Qaeda and their Taliban allies. The Obama administration has a penchant for illegal arms transfers to non-state actors that are aligned against the United States: its transfers of weapons to narco-cartels in Mexico - the "Fast and Furious" scandal - remains unresolved, despite the body count on both sides of the border. The conclusion is self-evident and unavoidable: the Obama administration actively supports Al-Qaeda. It is my understanding that the United States is at war with Al-Qaeda. What's going on here?

    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. - Constitution for the United States of America, Article III, Section 3

    The Constitution has a very strict definition for the crime of treason, and deliberately so. Under the kings of Europe, it was an oft-abused charge against which no man, innocent or guilty, could defend. However, if we are at war with Al-Qaeda, and Obama is acting unlawfully to arm them with advanced weapons, the strictest definition is met by that act. Unfortunately, as is clear to all players involved, actually prosecuting this crime against Obama is a political non-starter, especially given the other players that would be ensared by it (McCain, Clinton, and Kerry for starters). The implications for how Republicans should approach policy - especially foreign policy - while Obama is still President are profound. The President cannot be trusted - the man has even literally won a "Lie of the Year" award. His approach in all things is "my way or the highway". His agents commit open political persecution, and he finds not "a smidgen of corruption". The list of other scandals and corruption already exceeds the Clintons' impressive stack; listing them in their fullness is too heartbreaking a task for me. Republicans in Congress need to wake up and smell the coffee that the President has gone completely rogue, and that their main job right now, above all else, is to rein him in. He is given too many powers and held accountable for nothing. Six years of this has given the man the idea that he is Emperor - his wife's spending from the public Treasury sure seems to reflect that opinion. It is time to make clear that he is not.



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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Dude, you're quoting the Onion? You know all they do is satire, right?
    it has more truth than the MSM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Dude, you're quoting the Onion? You know all they do is satire, right?
    Thank you Mr. Obvious. The point is they are incredibly accurate at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Why so serious ? Do you think this is news for anyone on this site ?
    You'll have to forgive LE. They are just trying to fit in while trying to infiltrate us. What many of us knew long ago is news to LE.

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    Rand needs to start articulating this. maybe his only chance of being leader of our Country.

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    It's really, really hard to do satire these days. Satire is funniest when it's just a little bit over the top. How do you do a satire that's just a little bit over the top when you're satirizing a power structure so insane it jumped over the moon?
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    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Well, they're not going to target their own bases, are they?

    Pentagon Not Targeting Islamic State Training Camps
    No airstrikes against 60 camps producing 1,000 fighters monthly
    http://www.infowars.com/pentagon-not...raining-camps/

    The Pentagon has not conducted airstrikes against an estimated 60 Islamic State (IS) training camps that are supplying thousands of fighters each month to the terror group, according to defense and intelligence officials.

    The camps are spread throughout Islamic State-controlled areas of Iraq and Syria and are off limits in the U.S.-led international bombing campaign because of concerns about collateral damage, said officials familiar with planning and execution of the yearlong bombing campaign.

    Additionally, the IS (also known as ISIS or ISIL) camps have been so successful that Islamic State leaders are considering expanding the camps to Libya and Yemen. Both states have become largely ungoverned areas in recent years.

    The failure to target the training camps with U.S. and allied airstrikes is raising questions among some defense and intelligence officials about the commitment of President Obama and his senior aides to the current anti-IS strategy of degrading and ultimately destroying the terror group.

    “If we know the location of these camps, and the president wants to destroy ISIS, why are the camps still functioning?” one official critical of the policy asked.
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
    --Albert J. Nock

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    So...is a certain someone starting to wake up? Baby steps.
    On Trump:
    How conservative Republicans can continue to support this arrogant imposter—the man who brags about inflicting the world with the Covid mark of the beast; the man who said, “Take the guns first, go through due process second”; and the man who deliberately played and then set up Stewart Rhodes (of course, Stewart was all too eager to be Trump’s patsy) for an 18-year prison sentence—is truly beyond my comprehension.” Chuck Baldwin



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    They feed in phases..... Al-Qaeda, press releases burning out..... create a new evil foe, even EVIL-er than the last one. (shock/awe)

    Rinse - Repeat
    FJB

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    In Al Jazeera’s latest Head to Head episode, former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency Michael Flynn confirms to Mehdi Hasan that not only had he studied the DIA memo predicting the West’s backing of an Islamic State in Syria when it came across his desk in 2012, but even asserts that the White House’s sponsoring of radical jihadists (that would emerge as ISIL and Nusra) against the Syrian regime was “a willful decision.”
    [...]
    While holding up a paper copy of the 2012 DIA report declassified through FOIA, Hasan reads aloud key passages such as, “there is the possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist principality in Eastern Syria, and this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime.”

    Rather than downplay the importance of the document and these startling passages, as did the State Department soon after its release, Flynn does the opposite: he confirms that while acting DIA chief he “paid very close attention” to this report in particular and later adds that “the intelligence was very clear.”

    Lt. Gen. Flynn, speaking safely from retirement, is the highest ranking intelligence official to go on record saying the United States and other state sponsors of rebels in Syria knowingly gave political backing and shipped weapons to Al-Qaeda in order to put pressure on the Syrian regime:

    Hasan: In 2012 the U.S. was helping coordinate arms transfers to those same groups [Salafists, Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda in Iraq], why did you not stop that if you’re worried about the rise of quote-unquote Islamic extremists?

    Flynn: I hate to say it’s not my job…but that…my job was to…was to to ensure that the accuracy of our intelligence that was being presented was as good as it could be.
    The early reporting that treated the DIA memo as newsworthy and hugely revelatory was criticized and even mocked by some experts, as well as outlets like The Daily Beast. Yet the very DIA director at the time the memo was drafted and circulated widely now unambiguously confirms the document to be of high value, and indicates that it served as source material in his own discussions over Syria policy with the White House.

    As Michael Flynn also previously served as director of intelligence for Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) during a time when its prime global mission was dismantling Al-Qaeda, his honest admission that the White House was in fact arming and bolstering Al-Qaeda linked groups in Syria is especially shocking given his stature.
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    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
    --Albert J. Nock

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    Does it matter?

    If a headline came out on Friday that we fully funded ISIS and are currently funding it what would change? Nothing, the debates would go on and nothing would change.
    "One thing my years in Washington taught me is that most politicians are followers, not leaders. Therefore we should not waste time and resources trying to educate politicians. Politicians will not support individual liberty and limited government unless and until they are forced to do so by the people," says Ron Paul."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZENemy View Post
    Does it matter?

    If a headline came out on Friday that we fully funded ISIS and are currently funding it what would change? Nothing, the debates would go on and nothing would change.

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    https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/isis/

    Are that useful terror group’s Twitter accounts run by the UK government? ISIS was, after all, created by Saudia Arabia, the US, Israel, France, and Britain to generate popular pressure in the West for more spending on war and imperialism.
    Hackers trace ISIS Twitter accounts back to internet addresses linked to Department of Work and Pensions
    Teenage computer experts unveil astonishing web of unpublicised interactions linking extremist social media mouthpieces to the British government
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technol...counts-7010417

    https://www.rt.com/uk/325994-isis-dw...nment-hackers/

    At least three Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS) supporters’ social media accounts are run from IP addresses linked to the British government’s Department for Work and Pensions (DWP), a group of hackers has claimed.

    The group of teenage computer experts, known as ‘VandaSec,’ have unearthed details of internet protocol (IP) addresses used by three jihadists to access Twitter accounts used to carry out online recruitment.

    The addresses were thought to be based in Saudi Arabia, but upon further inspection they linked back to the DWP’s London offices, according to the Daily Mirror.

    “Don’t you think that’s strange?” one of the hackers asked the Daily Mirror.

    “We traced these accounts back to London, the home of the British intelligence services,” they added.
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
    --Albert J. Nock

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    https://www.downsizedc.org/blog/isis...expose-us-role

    That's what Downsize DC says. There are links to a declassified document from Judicial Watch that they say proves it. I'm not so sure it does, but it sure sounds like the government knew what was going to happen and they were funding/arming the rebels which led to it. So, is that the same thing? Maybe so. See what you think.


    Yep.


    Syrian Opposition’s Amazing CIA Credentials


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